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On July 02 2005 04:44 Bard wrote:
"You like exactly the same things like me when I started. Lich is easy because you dont need much control and just spam chain nova against some public gamers who dont know how to avoid the dmg"
So how do you avoid damage? Buy the Planeswalker cloack? Run Away? ^^ Tips and help will be appreciated.
To avoid damage with lich, its all about being agressive - and utilizing the fact that your nova has a good range. Practice anticipating when heroes move up to stun/nuke, and nova them and dodge their spell. With your almost unlimited mana pool from dark ritual, they wont be able to keep up in a nuke exchange for long. When heroes chase you trying to nuke, anticipate when they will turn back (for example, they are getting near your tower) and turn around and nuke them.
Once u get blink dagger and/or hit lvl 6, u should be actively flanking all lanes and punishing any low HP hero thats tower hugging. Scout river for powerups - a rune like haste is an automatic kill for any decent player with a hero like lich.
As for playing AGAINST lich, you really have to play passive for the most part, and get ring of health or regen... when he hits lvl 6, if you are with other heroes, always stay apart, and never try to flank lich out in the open with your team mates. Chain Frost bounces 7 times -_-
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On June 30 2005 15:12 Manit0u wrote:
You shouldn't go for ring of basilius. Best things to get first (although those vary for different heroes what you'll discover soon enough) are boots of speed (bought right after the game starts) and then getting perserverence (ring of health + void stone) which provides you with proper health/mana regen. After that you buy what's best for your char (aghanim for lich, crystal, zeus, refresher for luna, guinsoo for most int chars etc.)
Perseverance is a solid item choice for almost any hero - especially if you plan to get refreshor or battlefury later. Dont overlook items like iron branches, saphire water, null talisman, bracers, wraith bands. They can often give you the edge early on to out level a hero or get that extra killing nuke out. The way I think of it - its an investment... if you're gonna spend the money on low level items, make good use of them, or dont buy them at all.
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On May 24 2005 08:42 rei wrote:
^.^ no challenge so far.
Rei, do you guys still play igs? My clan actually signed up, but because of their retarded system, we're just waiting for the next season to start.
Anyways, if you're ever on east, come to channel: clan coda. We'll give you a good game anytime.
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On May 17 2005 11:53 rei wrote:
don't listen to them, they just play public games with other noobs, and no idea how to play team games. the number rule is you want go get heros that can stop the other team's hero from functioning. which means stuns, silences, shackles, polymorphs are the skills you need to own the other team. then it comes to damage out put, normally people use clinks as damage out put hero or sven for both stun and high damage, there are alot of hero that fits this job. WHY you would choose ultility hero over damage out put heros in TEAM GAMES(dota is 5v5 map)? reason is simply in 5v5 clan matches, you hardly ever see people 1vs1 pass level 6, it's all gangbang, each second you immoble the other team's damage dealers with other ultility skills you reduce their damage out put by a significant amount, the well that's why guild vs guild usually pick stealth heros as their damage dealer and have like 3 or 4 other players as support heros, the point is the other team can't immobilize your damage dealer from the get go. This game is deep, there is no best heros. there is no best item, and person skill doesn't really go far once you know how the game works and have discipline not to die 10 million times and feed the other team, it all comes down to team corrolation, and voice chat is a required when you are in a clan match,there is no room for you to start typing and microing your hero in the same time. And if any of you noobs not down with what i'm saying i will accept any challenge and we shall show you how to play dota.
100% correct. For example, people named some of the 'top heroes'... they may be good for owning noobs in pubs, but in any kind of serious match, or against a coordinated team, those ffa pub bash heroes dont cut it anymore.
For example, if it was sentinel vs scourge in a clan match, some of the heroes you would see are:
Sentinel: Omniknight, Maiden, Centaur, Rhasta, Sven, Treant, Enigma
Scourge: Axe, Sandking, Venomancer, Lich, Magnataur, Deathprophet
A lot of teams pick about 3-4 of those heroes above, and maybe pick some damage dealers, or serious pushers like clinkz, furion, razor to mop up gangbangs.
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clinkz is no pusher at all and use edit :O
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On July 01 2005 23:36 NeoIllusions wrote:
I prefer boots as first item because of greater mobility. It's much easier to snipe a hero early game when you can hit and run. Branches are a waste of gold. They add minor stats but you'll eventually have to sell them later on because they take up room.
No good player will allow you to "snipe" their hero early game like that. Besides, the whole point of boots is to allow you to catch up to heroes running away, or to escape from a chasing hero. That's not going to happen early game, unless you or your opponent is really bad.
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Crystal maiden is too easy to kill/avoid later or just with some skill. Furion >>>> maiden imo, gives a lot support to the team.
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maiden isnt easy to avoid with dagger and bkb lets her spam her ulti without having to fear stun.
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On July 02 2005 05:40 phiwha wrote:Rei, do you guys still play igs? My clan actually signed up, but because of their retarded system, we're just waiting for the next season to start. Anyways, if you're ever on east, come to channel: clan coda. We'll give you a good game anytime.
mind if i drop by? getting sick of pubs
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On July 02 2005 16:57 SwedishHero wrote:
what is dot?
Do you mean DOTA? It means Defence of the Ancients (i think)
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On July 02 2005 08:32 Yuljan wrote:
clinkz is no pusher at all and use edit :O
I said pusher/damage dealer ... and clinkz can be a great pusher with maelstrom, which personally I would always buy over stygian desolator.
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On July 02 2005 10:54 StaSiS wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2005 23:36 NeoIllusions wrote:
I prefer boots as first item because of greater mobility. It's much easier to snipe a hero early game when you can hit and run. Branches are a waste of gold. They add minor stats but you'll eventually have to sell them later on because they take up room. No good player will allow you to "snipe" their hero early game like that. Besides, the whole point of boots is to allow you to catch up to heroes running away, or to escape from a chasing hero. That's not going to happen early game, unless you or your opponent is really bad.
I think by "snipe" he meant harass. And if you think you can avoid all forms of harassment early-mid game you are totally wrong. In some cases harassment and forcing to heal can be more efficient than getting a kill in terms of denying exp (especially around lvls 1-5 where walking to and back from the fountain takes longer than dying and walking back). I'd say boots/ring of regen are probably the best items to begin with.
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I'm not saying that you can avoid all harassment early-mid game, I'm saying that boots isn't all that useful early game, and it will be of little, if any help, in avoiding harass. What will help is the extra hp and hp regen from stats, as well as more mana / mana regen for spells of your own.
And I would take a kill over forcing someone to heal any day. Yes, they will probably get less xp if they have to go back and heal, but I also get more xp from their death and I get the money.
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btw. can i drop by to this # @ azeroth of yours? I'm tired of pubbies too. oh, and we have a dota clan too but couldn't get any games so far because of the stupid arrangement things on #clan TDA there T_T
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On July 03 2005 07:59 Manit0u wrote:
btw. can i drop by to this # @ azeroth of yours? I'm tired of pubbies too. oh, and we have a dota clan too but couldn't get any games so far because of the stupid arrangement things on #clan TDA there T_T
sure, you're welcome anytime. Btw, to get into clan tda, you have to get an 'icon' (25 wins in ladder).
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I wasn't talking about getting into clan TDA, there is a bot that arranges games on their #, but it suxxorz :/
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I'm a total neebie and I have an embarassing question:
Where can I buy a void stone or a ring of health?
I don't find any in the 2 shop and the 2 vendors don't have any.
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On July 03 2005 17:58 Ramirez wrote:
I'm a total neebie and I have an embarassing question:
Where can I buy a void stone or a ring of health?
I don't find any in the 2 shop and the 2 vendors don't have any.
Hehe I was like you so don't be embarassed.
That vendor is not in the base, you have to travel around little bit. It's hard to explain with word so why don't you run the game in single-custom play and type IseeDeadPeople. It will remove all fog from the map and you will find out those vendors who sell super items.
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I just played some funny game.
As always the game started 5v5 then 1 left.. 1 left.. 1 left.. 1 left. So we played 3v4 for while.
Since one of them was really strong and they rushed up to base tower. I thought the game was going to be ended. So I said gg but enemies replied 'the game is not end yet' I guess they wanted to play more :p
So we kept playing. They had better items, better kills and better hero usage overall but we pushed more and we had more tower/building kills.
Suddenly one of us left so it became 2v4. We kept playing a bit and we managed to siege their buildings but suddenly my only teammate left too. So it became eventually 1v4.
I decided to do final rush, my main character Butcher (noob items + I sucked -_-)was attacking the east lane and I send Panda hero(better equipped) to the middle lane. Well my hero got killed and I declared gg. They were pushing top and bottom now.
I looked Panda and surprisingly he pushed pretty good, him and creeps were rushed deep into the base. So I controled Panda and killed 2-3 enemy heroes in their base ^^ and started to banging the tree.
When they realized they should've gone back.. it was too late. One of them called me noob :p for backdooring.
So basically I won 1v4 at the end ^_^ my hero sucked but the object is destroying Tree right?
It lasted almost 2 hours but it was fun overall 
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