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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On November 29 2014 13:12 trifecta wrote: it's more like they could see into rosh pit or reveal a smoke gank with vision by standing in a glitched spot in the fountain. Ah OK. What about ldlc exploit? | ||
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Brett
Australia3822 Posts
On November 29 2014 11:57 HolyArrow wrote: What a complete fucking joke. Fuck the corrupt Dreamhack admins and fuck Fnatic. It's obvious that LDLC are going to be playing pissed off and demoralized tomorrow, so it's not even a fair match from a mental perspective. I am incredibly disappointed by the way they've handled this. That's the worst part. LDLC are much much more likely to be out of the required mindset than Fnatic are. Fnatic were dead in the water in that game, this is just a free kick for them... They'd be happy as fuck. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On November 29 2014 13:15 DucK- wrote: Yea I kinda got the story. I meant like what the exploit was and why was it advantageous enough to be illegal and imbalanced. imagine u found a ward spot that could somehow literally see 50% of the map then imagine ur playing a game where u can shoot at any range | ||
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
On November 29 2014 13:01 DucK- wrote: Can anyone explain this current drama to someone who has zero clue on how CS is played? I like drama, but I dunno what it is about :D Can anyone what both teams did in game that was illegal? In layman terms :D http://files.dreamhack.se/rules/DHS13_CSGO_Rules.pdf The following actions are strictly prohibited during a game and will result in round loss (the amount is determined by the tournament director) which will be deducted at the end of the match, and a warning: • using console is forbidden (except to record game); • any form of script is forbidden; • using bugs which change the game principle (i.e. spawn bugs) is illegal; • moving through walls, floors and roofs is strictly forbidden. This also includes skywalking; • "silent bombs" (i.e. the planting of a bomb which doesn't make a sound) are illegal; • planting bombs so that they cannot be defused is illegal. This does not include plants where multiple players are needed to defuse; • boosting with the help of team mates is allowed in general, but it is forbidden in places where the textures, walls, ceilings, floors become transparent or penetrable; • “fireboost” (i.e firing below a player to push him) is strictly illegal; • “flashbugs” are forbidden; • throwing flash grenades under walls is not allowed, throwing grenades over walls or roofs is allowed; • “mapswimming“ or „Floating“ is illegal; • “pixelwalking“ is illegal (Sitting or standing on invisible map edges); • using 16bit graphics; • Binding “+duck“ to the mouse wheel is forbidden; • Any custom (game) files. • “pixelwalking“ is illegal (Sitting or standing on invisible map edges); Fnatic used an illegal pixel walking boost for practically every round on CT side of Overpass I don't know if this is true or not, but I'm reading that DreamHack doesn't have a rule list for its 2014 events. so don't know if their 2013 rules really apply or not DreamHack has made the decision to regame since it considers that LDLC & Fnatic both illegally exploited the map The following actions are strictly prohibited during a game and will result in round loss (the amount is determined by the tournament director) which will be deducted at the end of the match, and a warning: if we're going off of DH's 2013 rules though, LDLC did an "illegal" boost for 1 round while Fnatic did it for almost every round on CT side, so the decision for a 0-0 regame is the new controversy | ||
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trifecta
United States6795 Posts
On November 29 2014 13:15 DucK- wrote: Yea I kinda got the story. I meant like what the exploit was and why was it advantageous enough to be illegal and imbalanced. They broke the dreamhack rule that states: "Boosting with the help of team mates is allowed in general, but it is forbidden in places where the textures, walls, ceilings, floors become transparent or penetrable;" fnatic got vision of ldlc, which gave them info on the positioning and strategy of ldlc, from an illegal boost spot. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
- Pixelwalking was allowed cause there was no rule mentioning it for DHW - The texture bug was a nonissue (but wasn't allowed!) cause fnatic didn't zoom in at the spot and ldlc didn't have any zoom - It is a rematch cause both LDLC and Fnatic were not killable at the boosting positions - LDLC didn't have to leave dreamhack, they just understood it that way Huh, interesting.. | ||
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Duka08
3391 Posts
On November 29 2014 13:28 The_Red_Viper wrote: - The texture bug was a nonissue (but wasn't allowed!) cause fnatic didn't zoom in at the spot and ldlc didn't have any zoom Uh, isn't this false? Or do they mean zooming at very specific places FROM the boost spot | ||
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Seraphic
United States3849 Posts
When all of that VAC thing happened and accusations were thrown at Fnatic, I ignored it and found it rather annoying. But now, to see Fnatic act the way they did in one of the worse sportsmanship I have ever seen, I will never, ever root for them again. Not there CS team, not their LoL team, not any team they sponsor. I don't want them to win DHW, nor do I believe they deserve it. LDLC has been fucked over so hard even SirScoots has no words about this. How often do you see SirScoots being speechless? What I want to see from all of this is, have Valve personally hire admins and fly them to CSGO events and prevent this from ever happening again. You think after DotA 2's mess for DHW, they would straighten themselves out on the admins part, but I guess they didn't care. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On November 29 2014 13:34 Duka08 wrote: Uh, isn't this false? Or do they mean zooming at very specific places FROM the boost spot Yeah i guess that is what they meant | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On November 29 2014 13:28 The_Red_Viper wrote: Ok so after watching the interview, he basically said: - Pixelwalking was allowed cause there was no rule mentioning it for DHW - The texture bug was a nonissue (but wasn't allowed!) cause fnatic didn't zoom in at the spot and ldlc didn't have any zoom - It is a rematch cause both LDLC and Fnatic were not killable at the boosting positions - LDLC didn't have to leave dreamhack, they just understood it that way Huh, interesting.. The way I understand it and forgive me if I'm rationalizing it wrong but it goes a little bit like this. The rulebook of DH Winter 2014 doesn't say pixelwalking is illegal, but people are outraged and Fnatic's boost spot was frankly bullshit. However there are other spots in regular matches which are similar to this (but known, and significantly less BS). Dreamhack therefore decided to make a "neutral" decision by fucking around and saying that LDLC used an illegal boost that I haven't seen. This administrative fuckadoodle allowed the map to be replayed rather than DQing Fnatic. However the weird part as people have said above is that the boost is only illegal in that it allows the player to see a spot that shouldn't be seen. In other words, it's an arbitrary decision being disguised. | ||
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apes
United States826 Posts
logic? | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On November 29 2014 13:44 Djzapz wrote: The way I understand it and forgive me if I'm rationalizing it wrong but it goes a little bit like this. The rulebook of DH Winter 2014 doesn't say pixelwalking is illegal, but people are outraged and Fnatic's boost spot was frankly bullshit. However there are other spots in regular matches which are similar to this (but known, and significantly less BS). Dreamhack therefore decided to make a "neutral" decision by fucking around and saying that LDLC used an illegal boost that I haven't seen. This administrative fuckadoodle allowed the map to be replayed rather than DQing Fnatic. However the weird part as people have said above is that the boost is only illegal in that it allows the player to see a spot that shouldn't be seen. In other words, it's an arbitrary decision being disguised. Well yeah i think LDLC got robbed there as well, even if everything he said in that interview is true (both boostings result into not being killable AND fnatic never "using" the texture thing) it is fucking ridiculous to say a complete new game is the most fair solution. question: Does it even matter that LDLC's position was "immortal" too? Would that ever come into play in the actual game? They only used it to spot anway or is this wrong? (didn't see it) | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Na'Vi's Pudge-Chen against TongFu and reactions at that time. :D | ||
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trifecta
United States6795 Posts
On November 29 2014 13:52 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: You know what this whole discussion starts to remind? Na'Vi's Pudge-Chen against TongFu and reactions at that time. :D except fountain hooking was a known bug way before ti3 and dh had forbidden illegal boosting in previous tournaments. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Well that's odd, isn't it | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On November 29 2014 14:05 The_Red_Viper wrote: The reddit guys say there is no immortality at the spot LDLC used. Well that's odd, isn't it I never thought there was immortality, as far as I can tell it was shot at twice: once it resulted in a 25-ish hp hit on olof from near CT toward B, and the other time from A short(?) which didn't result in any damage but he could have been hit, probably. That being said, the spot is BS for two reasons, but before I start I want to make it clear that I for one couldn't give a shit about the outcome of this game. I like both LDLC and Fnatic, and I'd be happy to see either of those teams vs NiP (go NiP!). I don't have lost bets to make me all bitchy, I don't think Fnatic hacks so to me that's not a factor yet. 1st reason: The CTs get massive map awareness, the T's just have to deal with the fact that CT's know everything. 2nd reason: It's BS because there's absolutely nothing the T's can do about it if they don't have rifles. Now regarding this issue I'm torn, on one hand this spot is complete bullshit and it's unfair, on the other hand it's part of the map. I'm essentially in favor of people using whatever tools they have at their disposition, within the game, to win. I don't give a fuck about "pixelwalking". If something's in the map then it's part of the game. If a team chooses to use something underhanded, then it's part of the game but perhaps dishonorable. I think it's Valve's job to fix these things. To me, if something can be done in matchmaking without cheating, it's fair game in tournaments and Valve should fix the shit. Perhaps an unpopular opinion but yeah, whatever. | ||
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Durak
Canada3685 Posts
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
. . . but, whatever happens, it's great entertainment. Evil empire of cheaters vs French underdogs (actually idk anything about LDLC but this is the narrative I came up with lol) | ||
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wptlzkwjd
Canada1240 Posts
Either way it was one of the most entertaining games I've ever watched including Boxer's micro. To see the 5 players on LDLC completely baffled for 10 whole rounds was hilarious. Didn't hurt that I also had about 20 bucks on Fnatic :D | ||
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