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On July 16 2014 05:27 Fawkes wrote:
I'm curious to know why low ranks care about the door changes that much? Does it really change your game play any bit?
uh even at nova 4 there were people who would hit the awp shot 75% of the time if you didn't smoke it. the most annoying way I saw to exploit the possible need for CT to smoke the door is having the successful T awper cover the doors and have the rest of T go straight b rush while smokes are going down. probably a strategy that would only work in scrubtown, true, but I found the need to waste $300 at the start of every round and then have a chance of meeting 3-4 Ts at b tunnel or even site to be fucking ridiculous.
on the subject, I've seen multiple awp wallbangs even through the metal doors pop up on my screen (not to me since I almost never play d2 mid unless cat rush) since the patch. I assume the shots are barely clipping the doors or something as they go through the middle but it's still weird.
edit: I think I sort of missed the topic under discussion so let me just say I don't care that much about not being able to ak or m4 wallbang the doors. for me at my skill level that falls under the "not good enough or consistent enough to be worth caring about" label.
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On July 16 2014 05:42 TheExile19 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2014 05:27 Fawkes wrote:
I'm curious to know why low ranks care about the door changes that much? Does it really change your game play any bit? uh even at nova 4 there were people who would hit the awp shot 75% of the time if you didn't smoke it. the most annoying way I saw to exploit the possible need for CT to smoke the door is having the successful T awper cover the doors and have the rest of T go straight b rush while smokes are going down. probably a strategy that would only work in scrubtown, true, but I found the need to waste $300 at the start of every round and then have a chance of meeting 3-4 Ts at b tunnel or even site to be fucking ridiculous. on the subject, I've seen multiple awp wallbangs even through the metal doors pop up on my screen (not to me since I almost never play d2 mid unless cat rush) since the patch. I assume the shots are barely clipping the doors or something as they go through the middle but it's still weird. edit: I think I sort of missed the topic under discussion so let me just say I don't care that much about not being able to ak or m4 wallbang the doors. for me at my skill level that falls under the "not good enough or consistent enough to be worth caring about" label.
You seem to have missed the point of that fix tho.
Before the wallbang patch, you could kill someone through wooden doors with an awp with an headshot (bodyshots did not kill). After the patch, even body shots killed. So they put metal doors to bring back headshot-only kills with awps through the middle door. But by doing that, they also completely destroyed any wallbanging with rifles, which can be very useful to watch/hold cat from mid (CT side).
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On July 16 2014 05:50 Roggay wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2014 05:42 TheExile19 wrote:On July 16 2014 05:27 Fawkes wrote:
I'm curious to know why low ranks care about the door changes that much? Does it really change your game play any bit? uh even at nova 4 there were people who would hit the awp shot 75% of the time if you didn't smoke it. the most annoying way I saw to exploit the possible need for CT to smoke the door is having the successful T awper cover the doors and have the rest of T go straight b rush while smokes are going down. probably a strategy that would only work in scrubtown, true, but I found the need to waste $300 at the start of every round and then have a chance of meeting 3-4 Ts at b tunnel or even site to be fucking ridiculous. on the subject, I've seen multiple awp wallbangs even through the metal doors pop up on my screen (not to me since I almost never play d2 mid unless cat rush) since the patch. I assume the shots are barely clipping the doors or something as they go through the middle but it's still weird. edit: I think I sort of missed the topic under discussion so let me just say I don't care that much about not being able to ak or m4 wallbang the doors. for me at my skill level that falls under the "not good enough or consistent enough to be worth caring about" label. You seem to have missed the point of that fix tho. Before the wallbang patch, you could kill someone through wooden doors with an awp with an headshot (bodyshots did not kill). After the patch, even body shots killed. So they put metal doors to bring back headshot-only kills with awps through the middle door. But by doing that, they also completely destroyed any wallbanging with rifles, which can be very useful to watch/hold cat from mid (CT side).
yeah it's not complicated and I didn't miss anything. my opinion is simply that I'm not good enough at the game to consistently wallbang people, so the removal of bodyshot awp wallbangs as a positive is more valuable to me than any possible negatives of having to back up and wait for Ts to push through the doors or try to shoot people going cat through the gap.
it's possible you're making an argument that it's worse for the pro scene and upper rank meta as a whole and, having only played the game for less than two months and having only seen one tournament, I don't have the tools to agree or disagree with that. I can only argue from scrubtown and scrubtown is much better for not getting 1-2 people picked off at the start of every round.
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On July 16 2014 05:56 TheExile19 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2014 05:50 Roggay wrote:On July 16 2014 05:42 TheExile19 wrote:On July 16 2014 05:27 Fawkes wrote:
I'm curious to know why low ranks care about the door changes that much? Does it really change your game play any bit? uh even at nova 4 there were people who would hit the awp shot 75% of the time if you didn't smoke it. the most annoying way I saw to exploit the possible need for CT to smoke the door is having the successful T awper cover the doors and have the rest of T go straight b rush while smokes are going down. probably a strategy that would only work in scrubtown, true, but I found the need to waste $300 at the start of every round and then have a chance of meeting 3-4 Ts at b tunnel or even site to be fucking ridiculous. on the subject, I've seen multiple awp wallbangs even through the metal doors pop up on my screen (not to me since I almost never play d2 mid unless cat rush) since the patch. I assume the shots are barely clipping the doors or something as they go through the middle but it's still weird. edit: I think I sort of missed the topic under discussion so let me just say I don't care that much about not being able to ak or m4 wallbang the doors. for me at my skill level that falls under the "not good enough or consistent enough to be worth caring about" label. You seem to have missed the point of that fix tho. Before the wallbang patch, you could kill someone through wooden doors with an awp with an headshot (bodyshots did not kill). After the patch, even body shots killed. So they put metal doors to bring back headshot-only kills with awps through the middle door. But by doing that, they also completely destroyed any wallbanging with rifles, which can be very useful to watch/hold cat from mid (CT side). yeah it's not complicated and I didn't miss anything. my opinion is simply that I'm not good enough at the game to consistently wallbang people, so the removal of bodyshot awp wallbangs as a positive is more valuable to me than any possible negatives of having to back up and wait for Ts to push through the doors or try to shoot people going cat through the gap. it's possible you're making an argument that it's worse for the pro scene and upper rank meta as a whole and, having only played the game for less than two months and having only seen one tournament, I don't have the tools to agree or disagree with that. I can only argue from scrubtown and scrubtown is much better for not getting 1-2 people picked off at the start of every round.
Oh yea, its better for everyone that awp don't kill hitting the body through mid door, im not arguing about that. I just meant that its normal that the awp still kill through mid door, given it is a headshot, which was the whole point of the metal doors.
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On July 16 2014 05:27 Fawkes wrote:
I'm curious to know why low ranks care about the door changes that much? Does it really change your game play any bit?
I quess you underestimate low ranks 
Not a hole lot, but a few do wallbanging ON PURPOSE! :D
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On July 16 2014 06:29 Striker.superfreunde wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2014 05:27 Fawkes wrote:
I'm curious to know why low ranks care about the door changes that much? Does it really change your game play any bit? I quess you underestimate low ranks Not a hole lot, but a few do wallbanging ON PURPOSE! :D
Theres a few elitist dumbasses in this thread that view anybody below DMG as complete retards.
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On July 16 2014 07:26 Capped wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2014 06:29 Striker.superfreunde wrote:On July 16 2014 05:27 Fawkes wrote:
I'm curious to know why low ranks care about the door changes that much? Does it really change your game play any bit? I quess you underestimate low ranks Not a hole lot, but a few do wallbanging ON PURPOSE! :D Theres a few elitist dumbasses in this thread that view anybody below DMG as complete retards.
Are you upset? I'm sorry my question offended you. Nova and below players I've played with have zero game sense, or ability to aim.
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On July 16 2014 07:26 Capped wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2014 06:29 Striker.superfreunde wrote:On July 16 2014 05:27 Fawkes wrote:
I'm curious to know why low ranks care about the door changes that much? Does it really change your game play any bit? I quess you underestimate low ranks Not a hole lot, but a few do wallbanging ON PURPOSE! :D Theres a few elitist dumbasses in this thread that view anybody below DMG as complete retards.
They are everywhere, always. I've learned to deal with it. Everybody should...
Internet is no ponyhof (or something along those line) :p
But thanks for fighting!
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On July 16 2014 07:49 Fawkes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2014 07:26 Capped wrote:On July 16 2014 06:29 Striker.superfreunde wrote:On July 16 2014 05:27 Fawkes wrote:
I'm curious to know why low ranks care about the door changes that much? Does it really change your game play any bit? I quess you underestimate low ranks Not a hole lot, but a few do wallbanging ON PURPOSE! :D Theres a few elitist dumbasses in this thread that view anybody below DMG as complete retards. Are you upset? I'm sorry my question offended you. Nova and below players I've played with have zero game sense, or ability to aim.
upset? no. somewhat amazed that you group ten separate skill distributions as all being the same and expect anything but instant loud derision? yeah, because that is silly elitism.
I'm nova 4 and I totally suck, but...zero game sense or ability to aim? did you read that before posting?
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On July 16 2014 07:49 Fawkes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2014 07:26 Capped wrote:On July 16 2014 06:29 Striker.superfreunde wrote:On July 16 2014 05:27 Fawkes wrote:
I'm curious to know why low ranks care about the door changes that much? Does it really change your game play any bit? I quess you underestimate low ranks Not a hole lot, but a few do wallbanging ON PURPOSE! :D Theres a few elitist dumbasses in this thread that view anybody below DMG as complete retards. Are you upset? I'm sorry my question offended you. Nova and below players I've played with have zero game sense, or ability to aim.
And here we have a 12 year old boy with his single ak rank that thinks he's the shit.
Who cares about the lower ranked players, you shouldn't be playing with them. Oh wait, you are!
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Some people in CS seem to revel in describing how bad lower ranks are.
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Pretty sure it's true for any game or anything. You could try not to bash low level players on TL though.
The changes affect everybody, and you can like or dislike them regardless of your rank, for different reasons maybe but still.
By the way I still don't understand why rifles penetrate some walls, and won't penetrate other that are of equal or lower width >.< I'm starting to really love the new deagle though. I think it's at a good point now, where skilled players can do crazy stuff with it (watched steel from IBP play almost only deagle for funsies and get sick shots, plus one tweeday video showcasing a crazy 4K from chrisJ iirc), and good aim is really rewarded.
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It's pretty hilarious how people behave. DMG players are not even actually good in the grand scheme of things. They get destroyed by players who play competitively at all and even most pretty bad ESEA pugs. As a DMG/LEM, I rarely allow myself to shit on players who are playing worse than myself because frankly I've been shown who's boss enough times to have been taught a well-deserved lesson in humility.
Earlier I was playing badly and tried to call a strategy for T in nuke and the guy told me that I was trash because I couldn't get a positive score in matchmaking. The very next game I played against him and he was in the negatives and I destroyed him repeatedly. Yet I'm slow as shit in comparison to some of the guys I've played against. So who am I to tell a Master Guardian kid he can't play this game? He's just as bad in comparison to me as I'm bad in comparison to some random unknown ESEA fuckwit nobody has ever heard about. And I don't appreciate random morons to lecture me on how to play videogames of all things.
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On July 16 2014 09:49 Djzapz wrote:
It's pretty hilarious how people behave. DMG players are not even actually good in the grand scheme of things. They get destroyed by players who play competitively at all and even most pretty bad ESEA pugs. As a DMG/LEM, I rarely allow myself to shit on players who are playing worse than myself because frankly I've been shown who's boss enough times to have been taught a well-deserved lesson in humility.
Earlier I was playing badly and tried to call a strategy for T in nuke and the guy told me that I was trash because I couldn't get a positive score in matchmaking. The very next game I played against him and he was in the negatives and I destroyed him repeatedly. Yet I'm slow as shit in comparison to some of the guys I've played against. So who am I to tell a Master Guardian kid he can't play this game? He's just as bad in comparison to me as I'm bad in comparison to some random unknown ESEA fuckwit nobody has ever heard about. And I don't appreciate random morons to lecture me on how to play videogames of all things.
The entire ranking system of csgo is stupid. People view global elites the same as they view people who are grandmaster in sc2, and its not even close to being the same. The majority of people in global elite were either boosted there, cheat off client, or are just puggers with no understanding of teamwork and proper gameplay.
That being said the reason people group a bunch of ranks into the same category of "bad" players is because everyone who transitions to esea, and is under legendary eagle master, is not a good player. There's a difference between being elitist and being a realist. Most of the idiots in matchmaking that are high ranked think they are amazing and call anyone that is a lower rank than them terrible, yet they would be the ones that would be terrible in a competitive environment.
Its the same in sc2 and the same in dota 2, and the same in every competitive game. There is always a rank where people start to be viewed as good players, and everyone under is most likely just average or below average. Of course there's always outliers, but in sc2 anyone who was below master was considered bad, even though the difference within each rank was obviously noticeable.
People are just afraid to be criticized or hear the truth. You need thick skin to get to the top in a game like cs.
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I'm actually concerned that all of you are taking my comment as a direct insult to lower level players. Striker was the only one who actually answered the question, where as everyone suddenly took offense to it.
I'm sorry that I described my experiences whenever I had to play with some Nova and below player on my team. But I brought it up because based on my experiences, I did not know why that change would affect how people at that ranking play.
Elitism? Bashing? I asked a fucking question.
On July 16 2014 05:27 Fawkes wrote:
I'm curious to know why low ranks care about the door changes that much? Does it really change your game play any bit?
Maybe I could have worded it better. How else can I ask about low ranks and their concerns about a change in the game another way?
In none of my posts in this thread have I ever considered myself good, but as a statistic, I can't consider myself low rank. I'm sorry if that term offended people, but is there an easier way for me to reference the lower half of the ranking system? I mean, I'm always the guy who insists you don't have to be good to reach DMG.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/games/253890-counter-strike-global-offensive?page=463#9250
Sure I generalized everybody at Nova, but I just pointed out my observations.
But anyways, thanks for taking my question, wording it into whatever you felt like and then attacking me for it. You are cute, amazingxkcd.
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On July 16 2014 10:29 SyNc` wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2014 09:49 Djzapz wrote:
It's pretty hilarious how people behave. DMG players are not even actually good in the grand scheme of things. They get destroyed by players who play competitively at all and even most pretty bad ESEA pugs. As a DMG/LEM, I rarely allow myself to shit on players who are playing worse than myself because frankly I've been shown who's boss enough times to have been taught a well-deserved lesson in humility.
Earlier I was playing badly and tried to call a strategy for T in nuke and the guy told me that I was trash because I couldn't get a positive score in matchmaking. The very next game I played against him and he was in the negatives and I destroyed him repeatedly. Yet I'm slow as shit in comparison to some of the guys I've played against. So who am I to tell a Master Guardian kid he can't play this game? He's just as bad in comparison to me as I'm bad in comparison to some random unknown ESEA fuckwit nobody has ever heard about. And I don't appreciate random morons to lecture me on how to play videogames of all things. The entire ranking system of csgo is stupid. People view global elites the same as they view people who are grandmaster in sc2, and its not even close to being the same. The majority of people in global elite were either boosted there, cheat off client, or are just puggers with no understanding of teamwork and proper gameplay. That being said the reason people group a bunch of ranks into the same category of "bad" players is because everyone who transitions to esea, and is under legendary eagle master, is not a good player. There's a difference between being elitist and being a realist. Most of the idiots in matchmaking that are high ranked think they are amazing and call anyone that is a lower rank than them terrible, yet they would be the ones that would be terrible in a competitive environment. Its the same in sc2 and the same in dota 2, and the same in every competitive game. There is always a rank where people start to be viewed as good players, and everyone under is most likely just average or below average. Of course there's always outliers but in sc2 anyone who was below master was considered bad, even though the difference within each rank was obviously noticeable.
The only reason there's more cheaters in the global elite is because the game is cheaper than SC2. The only reason there's more boosted players in the global elite is because it's harder to boost in SC2 since it's a 1v1. The 3rd group you listed is perfectly fine, they got there by playing on nothing but their own doing, it is well deserved.
That being said it's just as hard getting to global elite in CSGO as it is to get to grandmaster in SC2 if you play normally.
Answer to the double doors question. I'm only Gold Nova 1-2. Barely anyone gets sniped running by the door. People only died if they were literally sitting in the doorway trying to snipe/shoot back. That being said, balance the maps for high ranked players and professionals, let us casuals just play the game and deal with it cause it doesn't really matter.
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On July 16 2014 10:37 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2014 10:29 SyNc` wrote:On July 16 2014 09:49 Djzapz wrote:
It's pretty hilarious how people behave. DMG players are not even actually good in the grand scheme of things. They get destroyed by players who play competitively at all and even most pretty bad ESEA pugs. As a DMG/LEM, I rarely allow myself to shit on players who are playing worse than myself because frankly I've been shown who's boss enough times to have been taught a well-deserved lesson in humility.
Earlier I was playing badly and tried to call a strategy for T in nuke and the guy told me that I was trash because I couldn't get a positive score in matchmaking. The very next game I played against him and he was in the negatives and I destroyed him repeatedly. Yet I'm slow as shit in comparison to some of the guys I've played against. So who am I to tell a Master Guardian kid he can't play this game? He's just as bad in comparison to me as I'm bad in comparison to some random unknown ESEA fuckwit nobody has ever heard about. And I don't appreciate random morons to lecture me on how to play videogames of all things. The entire ranking system of csgo is stupid. People view global elites the same as they view people who are grandmaster in sc2, and its not even close to being the same. The majority of people in global elite were either boosted there, cheat off client, or are just puggers with no understanding of teamwork and proper gameplay. That being said the reason people group a bunch of ranks into the same category of "bad" players is because everyone who transitions to esea, and is under legendary eagle master, is not a good player. There's a difference between being elitist and being a realist. Most of the idiots in matchmaking that are high ranked think they are amazing and call anyone that is a lower rank than them terrible, yet they would be the ones that would be terrible in a competitive environment. Its the same in sc2 and the same in dota 2, and the same in every competitive game. There is always a rank where people start to be viewed as good players, and everyone under is most likely just average or below average. Of course there's always outliers but in sc2 anyone who was below master was considered bad, even though the difference within each rank was obviously noticeable. The only reason there's more cheaters in the global elite is because the game is cheaper than SC2. The only reason there's more boosted players in the global elite is because it's harder to boost in SC2 since it's a 1v1. The 3rd group you listed is perfectly fine, they got there by playing on nothing but their own doing, it is well deserved. That being said it's just as hard getting to global elite in CSGO as it is to get to grandmaster in SC2 if you play normally.
The only reason its hard to get global is because there are so many cheaters. Before all these sales I queued up with a few friends and got to global after 20 wins. Its easy to get because even at the top of mm the players aren't good, whereas GM in sc2 the players are already semi-pro competitively and have good mechanics and understanding of the game. You can get to global elite off pure aim by playing greedy and pushing for frags.
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On July 16 2014 10:40 SyNc` wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2014 10:37 Zooper31 wrote:On July 16 2014 10:29 SyNc` wrote:On July 16 2014 09:49 Djzapz wrote:
It's pretty hilarious how people behave. DMG players are not even actually good in the grand scheme of things. They get destroyed by players who play competitively at all and even most pretty bad ESEA pugs. As a DMG/LEM, I rarely allow myself to shit on players who are playing worse than myself because frankly I've been shown who's boss enough times to have been taught a well-deserved lesson in humility.
Earlier I was playing badly and tried to call a strategy for T in nuke and the guy told me that I was trash because I couldn't get a positive score in matchmaking. The very next game I played against him and he was in the negatives and I destroyed him repeatedly. Yet I'm slow as shit in comparison to some of the guys I've played against. So who am I to tell a Master Guardian kid he can't play this game? He's just as bad in comparison to me as I'm bad in comparison to some random unknown ESEA fuckwit nobody has ever heard about. And I don't appreciate random morons to lecture me on how to play videogames of all things. The entire ranking system of csgo is stupid. People view global elites the same as they view people who are grandmaster in sc2, and its not even close to being the same. The majority of people in global elite were either boosted there, cheat off client, or are just puggers with no understanding of teamwork and proper gameplay. That being said the reason people group a bunch of ranks into the same category of "bad" players is because everyone who transitions to esea, and is under legendary eagle master, is not a good player. There's a difference between being elitist and being a realist. Most of the idiots in matchmaking that are high ranked think they are amazing and call anyone that is a lower rank than them terrible, yet they would be the ones that would be terrible in a competitive environment. Its the same in sc2 and the same in dota 2, and the same in every competitive game. There is always a rank where people start to be viewed as good players, and everyone under is most likely just average or below average. Of course there's always outliers but in sc2 anyone who was below master was considered bad, even though the difference within each rank was obviously noticeable. The only reason there's more cheaters in the global elite is because the game is cheaper than SC2. The only reason there's more boosted players in the global elite is because it's harder to boost in SC2 since it's a 1v1. The 3rd group you listed is perfectly fine, they got there by playing on nothing but their own doing, it is well deserved. That being said it's just as hard getting to global elite in CSGO as it is to get to grandmaster in SC2 if you play normally. The only reason its hard to get global is because there are so many cheaters. Before all these sales I queued up with a few friends and got to global after 20 wins. Its easy to get because even at the top of mm the players aren't good, whereas GM in sc2 the players are already semi-pro competitively and have good mechanics and understanding of the game.
You are hugely over generalizing the game based on your personal experiences. You are obviously skilled at the game and consider anyone else below you bad like everyone else. But you don't see it that way because you are decent.
I'm the same way in WoW with how I view things.
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On July 16 2014 10:43 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2014 10:40 SyNc` wrote:On July 16 2014 10:37 Zooper31 wrote:On July 16 2014 10:29 SyNc` wrote:On July 16 2014 09:49 Djzapz wrote:
It's pretty hilarious how people behave. DMG players are not even actually good in the grand scheme of things. They get destroyed by players who play competitively at all and even most pretty bad ESEA pugs. As a DMG/LEM, I rarely allow myself to shit on players who are playing worse than myself because frankly I've been shown who's boss enough times to have been taught a well-deserved lesson in humility.
Earlier I was playing badly and tried to call a strategy for T in nuke and the guy told me that I was trash because I couldn't get a positive score in matchmaking. The very next game I played against him and he was in the negatives and I destroyed him repeatedly. Yet I'm slow as shit in comparison to some of the guys I've played against. So who am I to tell a Master Guardian kid he can't play this game? He's just as bad in comparison to me as I'm bad in comparison to some random unknown ESEA fuckwit nobody has ever heard about. And I don't appreciate random morons to lecture me on how to play videogames of all things. The entire ranking system of csgo is stupid. People view global elites the same as they view people who are grandmaster in sc2, and its not even close to being the same. The majority of people in global elite were either boosted there, cheat off client, or are just puggers with no understanding of teamwork and proper gameplay. That being said the reason people group a bunch of ranks into the same category of "bad" players is because everyone who transitions to esea, and is under legendary eagle master, is not a good player. There's a difference between being elitist and being a realist. Most of the idiots in matchmaking that are high ranked think they are amazing and call anyone that is a lower rank than them terrible, yet they would be the ones that would be terrible in a competitive environment. Its the same in sc2 and the same in dota 2, and the same in every competitive game. There is always a rank where people start to be viewed as good players, and everyone under is most likely just average or below average. Of course there's always outliers but in sc2 anyone who was below master was considered bad, even though the difference within each rank was obviously noticeable. The only reason there's more cheaters in the global elite is because the game is cheaper than SC2. The only reason there's more boosted players in the global elite is because it's harder to boost in SC2 since it's a 1v1. The 3rd group you listed is perfectly fine, they got there by playing on nothing but their own doing, it is well deserved. That being said it's just as hard getting to global elite in CSGO as it is to get to grandmaster in SC2 if you play normally. The only reason its hard to get global is because there are so many cheaters. Before all these sales I queued up with a few friends and got to global after 20 wins. Its easy to get because even at the top of mm the players aren't good, whereas GM in sc2 the players are already semi-pro competitively and have good mechanics and understanding of the game. You are hugely over generalizing the game based on your personal experiences. You are obviously skilled at the game and consider anyone else below you bad like everyone else. But you don't see it that way because you are decent. I'm the same way in WoW with how I view things.
I don't consider everyone below me bad. As I said, to me personally, being legendary eagle master is the cut off for decent players. At this point people already have a decent understanding of the game and average aim. But my whole point is that global elite is overrated and a lot of the unknown matchmakers that are global elite are inexperienced players that would not be good in competitive play, like in an actual league.
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On July 16 2014 10:45 SyNc` wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2014 10:43 Zooper31 wrote:On July 16 2014 10:40 SyNc` wrote:On July 16 2014 10:37 Zooper31 wrote:On July 16 2014 10:29 SyNc` wrote:On July 16 2014 09:49 Djzapz wrote:
It's pretty hilarious how people behave. DMG players are not even actually good in the grand scheme of things. They get destroyed by players who play competitively at all and even most pretty bad ESEA pugs. As a DMG/LEM, I rarely allow myself to shit on players who are playing worse than myself because frankly I've been shown who's boss enough times to have been taught a well-deserved lesson in humility.
Earlier I was playing badly and tried to call a strategy for T in nuke and the guy told me that I was trash because I couldn't get a positive score in matchmaking. The very next game I played against him and he was in the negatives and I destroyed him repeatedly. Yet I'm slow as shit in comparison to some of the guys I've played against. So who am I to tell a Master Guardian kid he can't play this game? He's just as bad in comparison to me as I'm bad in comparison to some random unknown ESEA fuckwit nobody has ever heard about. And I don't appreciate random morons to lecture me on how to play videogames of all things. The entire ranking system of csgo is stupid. People view global elites the same as they view people who are grandmaster in sc2, and its not even close to being the same. The majority of people in global elite were either boosted there, cheat off client, or are just puggers with no understanding of teamwork and proper gameplay. That being said the reason people group a bunch of ranks into the same category of "bad" players is because everyone who transitions to esea, and is under legendary eagle master, is not a good player. There's a difference between being elitist and being a realist. Most of the idiots in matchmaking that are high ranked think they are amazing and call anyone that is a lower rank than them terrible, yet they would be the ones that would be terrible in a competitive environment. Its the same in sc2 and the same in dota 2, and the same in every competitive game. There is always a rank where people start to be viewed as good players, and everyone under is most likely just average or below average. Of course there's always outliers but in sc2 anyone who was below master was considered bad, even though the difference within each rank was obviously noticeable. The only reason there's more cheaters in the global elite is because the game is cheaper than SC2. The only reason there's more boosted players in the global elite is because it's harder to boost in SC2 since it's a 1v1. The 3rd group you listed is perfectly fine, they got there by playing on nothing but their own doing, it is well deserved. That being said it's just as hard getting to global elite in CSGO as it is to get to grandmaster in SC2 if you play normally. The only reason its hard to get global is because there are so many cheaters. Before all these sales I queued up with a few friends and got to global after 20 wins. Its easy to get because even at the top of mm the players aren't good, whereas GM in sc2 the players are already semi-pro competitively and have good mechanics and understanding of the game. You are hugely over generalizing the game based on your personal experiences. You are obviously skilled at the game and consider anyone else below you bad like everyone else. But you don't see it that way because you are decent. I'm the same way in WoW with how I view things. I don't consider everyone below me bad. As I said, to me personally, being legendary eagle master is the cut off for decent players. At this point people already have a decent understanding of the game and average aim. But my whole point is that global elite is overrated and a lot of the unknown matchmakers that are global elite are inexperienced players that would not be good in competitive play, like in an actual league.
Of course random people on the internet at the top of a random game aren't going to be able to compete against the actual professionals of said game. That's the same for every game ever. You're acting like SC2 is any different.
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