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oscar62
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada417 Posts
June 20 2014 21:31 GMT
#9241
"don't buy rifles on eco because you'll die and give it to the opposing team" only makes sense at the nub level, learn how to play with your team.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-20 21:35:15
June 20 2014 21:34 GMT
#9242
On June 21 2014 06:31 oscar62 wrote:
"don't buy rifles on eco because you'll die and give it to the opposing team" only makes sense at the nub level, learn how to play with your team.


You see pro teams do the same. Don't know why it's nub only level lol. Pistols are extremely dangerous in this game. Sure they do it less and way more situational but they do adjust their game around the eco.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-20 21:37:10
June 20 2014 21:36 GMT
#9243
No, pro teams are far more disposed to purchasing high-armor-penetration weapons (primarily rifles) after winning pistol round because their opponents will buy armor + cz/p250 and thats actually better than armor+ (bad) SMG in many circumstances.

The real issue is that pistols are better than SMG's assuming armor which is a safe assumption.
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Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-20 22:09:14
June 20 2014 22:08 GMT
#9244
On June 21 2014 06:31 oscar62 wrote:
"don't buy rifles on eco because you'll die and give it to the opposing team" only makes sense at the nub level, learn how to play with your team.

I'm not saying "don't buy", i'm saying "don't only buy rifles". They definitely have a place, but even at higher levels (in matchmaking, let's say double ak or DMG), assuming good teamplay and correct positioning and cover, and people not losing rifles rushing like dumbasses is wishful thinking. It happens. But there's a time and place for SMGs, and rifles. at low level though, you mostly see people going "woot, I can buy an m4 second round !", die, lose the round, "ahhhh, I have no moneyyyy !", and not thinking it through "hmmmm, will they have bought gun/kev, or an early weapon buy ? I should play safe and take an m4"

It's better to learn how to manage the money first to have good weapons for the situations in the most number of rounds possible than go "hu, never buying a SMG, they're shit", which was the post I was reacting to.
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Nimix
Profile Joined October 2011
France1809 Posts
June 20 2014 22:33 GMT
#9245
SMGs are noob friendly and frustrating to play against. I got killed in mirage's A slope by a guy on the bombsite, I peeked and started shooting and got instantly headshot twice while he was running with a mp9 or whatever. I wish they would increase the dispersion while running, it's just retarded as fuck to buy a p90 and run around spraying your 50 bullets and destroying people (cause yeah it still happens a lot at DMG level, if you miss your first shots with a rifle you're kind of fucked given the ridiculous rates of fire of SMGs). I don't remember the mp5 from 1.6 being that powerful, I think it was shooting way slower even though you could kind of run and spray with it.
I also just read a post on reddit about the deagle and the CZ, and the guy was saying they should remove the CZ and buff a bit the deagle so that it's back to being a good eco buy that can turn around the game while requiring skill to use. Hope valve feels the same way and does something soon, cz really is retarded both to use and to play against..
Adrian_mx
Profile Joined April 2010
Mexico1880 Posts
June 20 2014 23:56 GMT
#9246
Im glad to see this game finally becoming apart of esports
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NihiLStarcraft
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Denmark1413 Posts
June 21 2014 00:18 GMT
#9247
Is it a new feature of Overwatch that the other player names are replaced with random words (like Beta, Eclipse, Calf etc.) or am I just really, really stupid and never noticed that before?

Because I just kinda embarrassed myself on WarOwls stream chat by pointing out that some of the players in an Overwatch were also in a previous overwatch demo he looked at... Thankfully the chat scrolled so fast that moment that nobody noticed haha.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
June 21 2014 00:19 GMT
#9248
You never noticed it before. They usually have animal names for me.
NihiLStarcraft
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Denmark1413 Posts
June 21 2014 00:44 GMT
#9249
Cheers. Can't believe I never noticed after what feels like hundreds of Overwatch demos. Sometimes I surprise myself with my stupidy... :p
Fawkes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada1935 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-21 00:54:41
June 21 2014 00:54 GMT
#9250
SMGs are horrible and the only reason to buy them is to make money after winning pistol round (which is why I never get a P90 because you make shit bounty....P90's are a good way to get eco'ed and fucked in the ass for money FOR THE SMG ROUND). A shotgun will always be better unless you are doing some strat that requires shooting from far range.

But seriously, all these people talking about improving from Nova. You don't need all this fancy stuff, just play more and get a game sense. You don't need to have pinpoint accuracy or have amazing knowledge of every pop flash on the current area of a map. Simple things like...

1. Don't bait your teammates. If you bait, at least get a revenge kill or two.
2. Don't run in one by one when taking or re-taking a site.
3. Don't block your team's rush by standing there because you didn't want to die (in smoke/flashed).
4. Make accurate calls or just keep quiet. People at DMG still cannot some of the most obvious things. Being able to distinguish between various ground tile sounds.

And most importantly!

5. Shut up when you are dead and you have nothing useful to tell your team. Hell, even 15s into the room, please stop talking so I can hear if they are rushing inner A or ramp on Nuke properly.

You think these things I said are obvious? 99.9% of Nova players do it.

See you guys in DMG soon
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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-21 04:45:35
June 21 2014 01:11 GMT
#9251
Looking for DMG's to play with.

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Kotreb
Profile Joined June 2011
Croatia1392 Posts
June 21 2014 12:49 GMT
#9252
question: if you lose pistol round, how do you buy next two rounds?

Do you just eco (maybe cz) for the next two rounds or what do you do?
If you don't sin Jesus died for nothing.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
June 21 2014 13:04 GMT
#9253
Yes, till your team has enough money for a full buy, depending on your side and whether you get the plant or not.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
June 21 2014 13:07 GMT
#9254
On June 21 2014 21:49 Kotreb wrote:
question: if you lose pistol round, how do you buy next two rounds?

Do you just eco (maybe cz) for the next two rounds or what do you do?

If you lose pistol round in low-ish rank plan:
-As T:
Round 2: You full save or get CZ75's or P250's and try to get picks.
Round 3: If you planted the bomb on round 1 or 2 and nobody spent too much during the save round, you can probably buy. If the bomb was never planted, same as round 2.

As CT:
Round 2: Preferably CZ75/P250 and get picks. Sometimes maybe stack a bombsite. If the bomb is planted and retaking is impossible, sit around the map and try to get exit kills on T's running away from the blast. Get free guns. Don't run in and die unless you have a good reason to believe you can re-take the site.
Round 3: Same as round 2.

Saving guns can also work as T on save rounds but when you save a gun as T you don't get money for the round so whatever you save has to be worth more than the money you would've raked in by just dying.
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Kotreb
Profile Joined June 2011
Croatia1392 Posts
June 21 2014 14:44 GMT
#9255
asking because i saw people getting full armor + cz/p250 so i was wondering how does that affect your money in the 3rd 4th round
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Tennet
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1458 Posts
June 21 2014 14:52 GMT
#9256
If you lost the first round and if you normally full buy the 4th round, you can p250 armor the second round with no difference, unless you are going for an awp.
"The harder it gets, the more you need to focus on the basics." - Seo Gyung Jong
NihiLStarcraft
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Denmark1413 Posts
June 21 2014 15:24 GMT
#9257
WarOwl confirmed that he will be doing CSGO stuff fulltime from now. I'm pretty happy about that, love the guy personally.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-21 15:29:09
June 21 2014 15:26 GMT
#9258
On June 21 2014 23:44 Kotreb wrote:
asking because i saw people getting full armor + cz/p250 so i was wondering how does that affect your money in the 3rd 4th round

Full armor + cz/p250 is possible once on CT side and you'll still be able to get a decent full buy on 4th round unless you AWP. That said, you might be low on nades if you haven't managed to get some extra kills.

This can be effective against teams that rely on SMGs to get the 2nd round, since they expect to get easy kills. It can also surprise better teams from time to time. I'd say it's a bit risky because if it fails entirely, you're sacrificing the effectiveness of your first buy round which is crucial, especially in pugs where people oftentimes become retarded after 4 losses in a row.

I would never buy pistol armor on a save on T side though, what you want a plant on round 1 or 2 to buy on round 3. Can't buy more than a few nades or an armor on the first round and a p250/cz for the second.
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NihiLStarcraft
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Denmark1413 Posts
June 22 2014 01:27 GMT
#9259
I really wish there was a proper drunk mode in CSGO. Because Casual sucks ass (I've had 10v10 where 9 of my team CT side go A and I'm the only one covering B, blatant ghosting/hacking etc.) and I'm not touching competitive when drunk. A proper unranked mode would be awesome.
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
June 22 2014 01:36 GMT
#9260
On June 22 2014 10:27 NihiLStarcraft wrote:
I really wish there was a proper drunk mode in CSGO. Because Casual sucks ass (I've had 10v10 where 9 of my team CT side go A and I'm the only one covering B, blatant ghosting/hacking etc.) and I'm not touching competitive when drunk. A proper unranked mode would be awesome.


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