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On July 16 2014 10:48 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2014 10:45 SyNc` wrote:On July 16 2014 10:43 Zooper31 wrote:On July 16 2014 10:40 SyNc` wrote:On July 16 2014 10:37 Zooper31 wrote:On July 16 2014 10:29 SyNc` wrote:On July 16 2014 09:49 Djzapz wrote:
It's pretty hilarious how people behave. DMG players are not even actually good in the grand scheme of things. They get destroyed by players who play competitively at all and even most pretty bad ESEA pugs. As a DMG/LEM, I rarely allow myself to shit on players who are playing worse than myself because frankly I've been shown who's boss enough times to have been taught a well-deserved lesson in humility.
Earlier I was playing badly and tried to call a strategy for T in nuke and the guy told me that I was trash because I couldn't get a positive score in matchmaking. The very next game I played against him and he was in the negatives and I destroyed him repeatedly. Yet I'm slow as shit in comparison to some of the guys I've played against. So who am I to tell a Master Guardian kid he can't play this game? He's just as bad in comparison to me as I'm bad in comparison to some random unknown ESEA fuckwit nobody has ever heard about. And I don't appreciate random morons to lecture me on how to play videogames of all things. The entire ranking system of csgo is stupid. People view global elites the same as they view people who are grandmaster in sc2, and its not even close to being the same. The majority of people in global elite were either boosted there, cheat off client, or are just puggers with no understanding of teamwork and proper gameplay. That being said the reason people group a bunch of ranks into the same category of "bad" players is because everyone who transitions to esea, and is under legendary eagle master, is not a good player. There's a difference between being elitist and being a realist. Most of the idiots in matchmaking that are high ranked think they are amazing and call anyone that is a lower rank than them terrible, yet they would be the ones that would be terrible in a competitive environment. Its the same in sc2 and the same in dota 2, and the same in every competitive game. There is always a rank where people start to be viewed as good players, and everyone under is most likely just average or below average. Of course there's always outliers but in sc2 anyone who was below master was considered bad, even though the difference within each rank was obviously noticeable. The only reason there's more cheaters in the global elite is because the game is cheaper than SC2. The only reason there's more boosted players in the global elite is because it's harder to boost in SC2 since it's a 1v1. The 3rd group you listed is perfectly fine, they got there by playing on nothing but their own doing, it is well deserved. That being said it's just as hard getting to global elite in CSGO as it is to get to grandmaster in SC2 if you play normally. The only reason its hard to get global is because there are so many cheaters. Before all these sales I queued up with a few friends and got to global after 20 wins. Its easy to get because even at the top of mm the players aren't good, whereas GM in sc2 the players are already semi-pro competitively and have good mechanics and understanding of the game. You are hugely over generalizing the game based on your personal experiences. You are obviously skilled at the game and consider anyone else below you bad like everyone else. But you don't see it that way because you are decent. I'm the same way in WoW with how I view things. I don't consider everyone below me bad. As I said, to me personally, being legendary eagle master is the cut off for decent players. At this point people already have a decent understanding of the game and average aim. But my whole point is that global elite is overrated and a lot of the unknown matchmakers that are global elite are inexperienced players that would not be good in competitive play, like in an actual league. Of course random people on the internet at the top of a random game aren't going to be able to compete against the actual professionals of said game. That's the same for every game ever. You're acting like SC2 is any different.
I'm not talking about competing against actual professionals. I'm talking about just playing competitively. There are tons of players that are 14+ rws on esea, which is considered very good as the average is 6 or so, and put together open teams and fail miserably, because its a completely different game when compared to pugging. Most invite or professional players have around 14 as well, so you would expect them to be good.
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On July 16 2014 10:43 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2014 10:40 SyNc` wrote:On July 16 2014 10:37 Zooper31 wrote:On July 16 2014 10:29 SyNc` wrote:On July 16 2014 09:49 Djzapz wrote:
It's pretty hilarious how people behave. DMG players are not even actually good in the grand scheme of things. They get destroyed by players who play competitively at all and even most pretty bad ESEA pugs. As a DMG/LEM, I rarely allow myself to shit on players who are playing worse than myself because frankly I've been shown who's boss enough times to have been taught a well-deserved lesson in humility.
Earlier I was playing badly and tried to call a strategy for T in nuke and the guy told me that I was trash because I couldn't get a positive score in matchmaking. The very next game I played against him and he was in the negatives and I destroyed him repeatedly. Yet I'm slow as shit in comparison to some of the guys I've played against. So who am I to tell a Master Guardian kid he can't play this game? He's just as bad in comparison to me as I'm bad in comparison to some random unknown ESEA fuckwit nobody has ever heard about. And I don't appreciate random morons to lecture me on how to play videogames of all things. The entire ranking system of csgo is stupid. People view global elites the same as they view people who are grandmaster in sc2, and its not even close to being the same. The majority of people in global elite were either boosted there, cheat off client, or are just puggers with no understanding of teamwork and proper gameplay. That being said the reason people group a bunch of ranks into the same category of "bad" players is because everyone who transitions to esea, and is under legendary eagle master, is not a good player. There's a difference between being elitist and being a realist. Most of the idiots in matchmaking that are high ranked think they are amazing and call anyone that is a lower rank than them terrible, yet they would be the ones that would be terrible in a competitive environment. Its the same in sc2 and the same in dota 2, and the same in every competitive game. There is always a rank where people start to be viewed as good players, and everyone under is most likely just average or below average. Of course there's always outliers but in sc2 anyone who was below master was considered bad, even though the difference within each rank was obviously noticeable. The only reason there's more cheaters in the global elite is because the game is cheaper than SC2. The only reason there's more boosted players in the global elite is because it's harder to boost in SC2 since it's a 1v1. The 3rd group you listed is perfectly fine, they got there by playing on nothing but their own doing, it is well deserved. That being said it's just as hard getting to global elite in CSGO as it is to get to grandmaster in SC2 if you play normally. The only reason its hard to get global is because there are so many cheaters. Before all these sales I queued up with a few friends and got to global after 20 wins. Its easy to get because even at the top of mm the players aren't good, whereas GM in sc2 the players are already semi-pro competitively and have good mechanics and understanding of the game. You are hugely over generalizing the game based on your personal experiences. You are obviously skilled at the game and consider anyone else below you bad like everyone else. But you don't see it that way because you are decent. I'm the same way in WoW with how I view things.
People like that are the ****ing worst though, it's so irritating to play with someone who's outright better than you and he's seemingly a pretty good shot but can't conceive of the fact that other people may not be able to aim as well as they themselves do. I know where I have to aim but I can't do it because I'm not 16 anymore.
What's up with those really good players making smurfs and ending up around DMG to LEM or even lower and bullying the guys there. "Shit like that would never happen at my level" I heard recently, after the guy on my team got killed by a weird push on inferno that was apparently so stupid it wasn't supposed to happen. "You guys buy flashes and smokes, that's cute".
How can you be good at CS yet so fucking daft that you wouldn't understand why other people aren't as good? The only reason is that those folks want to get a rise out of others and it's the only way they've found.
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On July 16 2014 10:51 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2014 10:43 Zooper31 wrote:On July 16 2014 10:40 SyNc` wrote:On July 16 2014 10:37 Zooper31 wrote:On July 16 2014 10:29 SyNc` wrote:On July 16 2014 09:49 Djzapz wrote:
It's pretty hilarious how people behave. DMG players are not even actually good in the grand scheme of things. They get destroyed by players who play competitively at all and even most pretty bad ESEA pugs. As a DMG/LEM, I rarely allow myself to shit on players who are playing worse than myself because frankly I've been shown who's boss enough times to have been taught a well-deserved lesson in humility.
Earlier I was playing badly and tried to call a strategy for T in nuke and the guy told me that I was trash because I couldn't get a positive score in matchmaking. The very next game I played against him and he was in the negatives and I destroyed him repeatedly. Yet I'm slow as shit in comparison to some of the guys I've played against. So who am I to tell a Master Guardian kid he can't play this game? He's just as bad in comparison to me as I'm bad in comparison to some random unknown ESEA fuckwit nobody has ever heard about. And I don't appreciate random morons to lecture me on how to play videogames of all things. The entire ranking system of csgo is stupid. People view global elites the same as they view people who are grandmaster in sc2, and its not even close to being the same. The majority of people in global elite were either boosted there, cheat off client, or are just puggers with no understanding of teamwork and proper gameplay. That being said the reason people group a bunch of ranks into the same category of "bad" players is because everyone who transitions to esea, and is under legendary eagle master, is not a good player. There's a difference between being elitist and being a realist. Most of the idiots in matchmaking that are high ranked think they are amazing and call anyone that is a lower rank than them terrible, yet they would be the ones that would be terrible in a competitive environment. Its the same in sc2 and the same in dota 2, and the same in every competitive game. There is always a rank where people start to be viewed as good players, and everyone under is most likely just average or below average. Of course there's always outliers but in sc2 anyone who was below master was considered bad, even though the difference within each rank was obviously noticeable. The only reason there's more cheaters in the global elite is because the game is cheaper than SC2. The only reason there's more boosted players in the global elite is because it's harder to boost in SC2 since it's a 1v1. The 3rd group you listed is perfectly fine, they got there by playing on nothing but their own doing, it is well deserved. That being said it's just as hard getting to global elite in CSGO as it is to get to grandmaster in SC2 if you play normally. The only reason its hard to get global is because there are so many cheaters. Before all these sales I queued up with a few friends and got to global after 20 wins. Its easy to get because even at the top of mm the players aren't good, whereas GM in sc2 the players are already semi-pro competitively and have good mechanics and understanding of the game. You are hugely over generalizing the game based on your personal experiences. You are obviously skilled at the game and consider anyone else below you bad like everyone else. But you don't see it that way because you are decent. I'm the same way in WoW with how I view things. People like that are the ****ing worst though, it's so irritating to play with someone who's outright better than you and he's seemingly a pretty good shot but can't conceive of the fact that other people may not be able to aim as well as they themselves do. I know where I have to aim but I can't do it because I'm not 16 anymore. What's up with those really good players making smurfs and ending up around DMG to LEM or even lower and bullying the guys there. "Shit like that would never happen at my level" I heard recently, after the guy on my team got killed by a weird push on inferno that was apparently so stupid it wasn't supposed to happen. "You guys buy flashes and smokes, that's cute". How can you be good at CS yet so fucking daft that you wouldn't understand why other people aren't as good? The only reason is that those folks want to get a rise out of others and it's the only way they've found.
Making smurfs is fucking stupid imo, and anyone that is actually high ranked should hop over to esea and actually spend their time and effort improving and moving on to the next level, rather than smashing a bunch of people that are worse than them. This is my entire point. The unknown people that are high ranked on matchmaking aren't good players, they are just egotistical players that are above average and have no idea how many other people there are exactly like them in competitive play.
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On July 16 2014 10:54 SyNc` wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2014 10:51 Djzapz wrote:On July 16 2014 10:43 Zooper31 wrote:On July 16 2014 10:40 SyNc` wrote:On July 16 2014 10:37 Zooper31 wrote:On July 16 2014 10:29 SyNc` wrote:On July 16 2014 09:49 Djzapz wrote:
It's pretty hilarious how people behave. DMG players are not even actually good in the grand scheme of things. They get destroyed by players who play competitively at all and even most pretty bad ESEA pugs. As a DMG/LEM, I rarely allow myself to shit on players who are playing worse than myself because frankly I've been shown who's boss enough times to have been taught a well-deserved lesson in humility.
Earlier I was playing badly and tried to call a strategy for T in nuke and the guy told me that I was trash because I couldn't get a positive score in matchmaking. The very next game I played against him and he was in the negatives and I destroyed him repeatedly. Yet I'm slow as shit in comparison to some of the guys I've played against. So who am I to tell a Master Guardian kid he can't play this game? He's just as bad in comparison to me as I'm bad in comparison to some random unknown ESEA fuckwit nobody has ever heard about. And I don't appreciate random morons to lecture me on how to play videogames of all things. The entire ranking system of csgo is stupid. People view global elites the same as they view people who are grandmaster in sc2, and its not even close to being the same. The majority of people in global elite were either boosted there, cheat off client, or are just puggers with no understanding of teamwork and proper gameplay. That being said the reason people group a bunch of ranks into the same category of "bad" players is because everyone who transitions to esea, and is under legendary eagle master, is not a good player. There's a difference between being elitist and being a realist. Most of the idiots in matchmaking that are high ranked think they are amazing and call anyone that is a lower rank than them terrible, yet they would be the ones that would be terrible in a competitive environment. Its the same in sc2 and the same in dota 2, and the same in every competitive game. There is always a rank where people start to be viewed as good players, and everyone under is most likely just average or below average. Of course there's always outliers but in sc2 anyone who was below master was considered bad, even though the difference within each rank was obviously noticeable. The only reason there's more cheaters in the global elite is because the game is cheaper than SC2. The only reason there's more boosted players in the global elite is because it's harder to boost in SC2 since it's a 1v1. The 3rd group you listed is perfectly fine, they got there by playing on nothing but their own doing, it is well deserved. That being said it's just as hard getting to global elite in CSGO as it is to get to grandmaster in SC2 if you play normally. The only reason its hard to get global is because there are so many cheaters. Before all these sales I queued up with a few friends and got to global after 20 wins. Its easy to get because even at the top of mm the players aren't good, whereas GM in sc2 the players are already semi-pro competitively and have good mechanics and understanding of the game. You are hugely over generalizing the game based on your personal experiences. You are obviously skilled at the game and consider anyone else below you bad like everyone else. But you don't see it that way because you are decent. I'm the same way in WoW with how I view things. People like that are the ****ing worst though, it's so irritating to play with someone who's outright better than you and he's seemingly a pretty good shot but can't conceive of the fact that other people may not be able to aim as well as they themselves do. I know where I have to aim but I can't do it because I'm not 16 anymore. What's up with those really good players making smurfs and ending up around DMG to LEM or even lower and bullying the guys there. "Shit like that would never happen at my level" I heard recently, after the guy on my team got killed by a weird push on inferno that was apparently so stupid it wasn't supposed to happen. "You guys buy flashes and smokes, that's cute". How can you be good at CS yet so fucking daft that you wouldn't understand why other people aren't as good? The only reason is that those folks want to get a rise out of others and it's the only way they've found. Making smurfs is fucking stupid imo, and anyone that is actually high ranked should hop over to esea and actually spend their time and effort improving and moving on to the next level, rather than smashing a bunch of people that are worse than them. This is my entire point. The unknown people that are high ranked on matchmaking aren't good players, they are just egotistical players that are above average and have no idea how many other people there are exactly like them in competitive play.
Fuck ESEA though, the people running that joke of a service are the scum of the earth and I'm saying that because I used the service and it didn't take long for me to run into grade A bullshit. The whole bitcoin story is pretty shady as well...
Anywho there are some pretty good players who play in MM and they're not just trampling all over everybody.
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On July 16 2014 12:15 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2014 10:54 SyNc` wrote:On July 16 2014 10:51 Djzapz wrote:On July 16 2014 10:43 Zooper31 wrote:On July 16 2014 10:40 SyNc` wrote:On July 16 2014 10:37 Zooper31 wrote:On July 16 2014 10:29 SyNc` wrote:On July 16 2014 09:49 Djzapz wrote:
It's pretty hilarious how people behave. DMG players are not even actually good in the grand scheme of things. They get destroyed by players who play competitively at all and even most pretty bad ESEA pugs. As a DMG/LEM, I rarely allow myself to shit on players who are playing worse than myself because frankly I've been shown who's boss enough times to have been taught a well-deserved lesson in humility.
Earlier I was playing badly and tried to call a strategy for T in nuke and the guy told me that I was trash because I couldn't get a positive score in matchmaking. The very next game I played against him and he was in the negatives and I destroyed him repeatedly. Yet I'm slow as shit in comparison to some of the guys I've played against. So who am I to tell a Master Guardian kid he can't play this game? He's just as bad in comparison to me as I'm bad in comparison to some random unknown ESEA fuckwit nobody has ever heard about. And I don't appreciate random morons to lecture me on how to play videogames of all things. The entire ranking system of csgo is stupid. People view global elites the same as they view people who are grandmaster in sc2, and its not even close to being the same. The majority of people in global elite were either boosted there, cheat off client, or are just puggers with no understanding of teamwork and proper gameplay. That being said the reason people group a bunch of ranks into the same category of "bad" players is because everyone who transitions to esea, and is under legendary eagle master, is not a good player. There's a difference between being elitist and being a realist. Most of the idiots in matchmaking that are high ranked think they are amazing and call anyone that is a lower rank than them terrible, yet they would be the ones that would be terrible in a competitive environment. Its the same in sc2 and the same in dota 2, and the same in every competitive game. There is always a rank where people start to be viewed as good players, and everyone under is most likely just average or below average. Of course there's always outliers but in sc2 anyone who was below master was considered bad, even though the difference within each rank was obviously noticeable. The only reason there's more cheaters in the global elite is because the game is cheaper than SC2. The only reason there's more boosted players in the global elite is because it's harder to boost in SC2 since it's a 1v1. The 3rd group you listed is perfectly fine, they got there by playing on nothing but their own doing, it is well deserved. That being said it's just as hard getting to global elite in CSGO as it is to get to grandmaster in SC2 if you play normally. The only reason its hard to get global is because there are so many cheaters. Before all these sales I queued up with a few friends and got to global after 20 wins. Its easy to get because even at the top of mm the players aren't good, whereas GM in sc2 the players are already semi-pro competitively and have good mechanics and understanding of the game. You are hugely over generalizing the game based on your personal experiences. You are obviously skilled at the game and consider anyone else below you bad like everyone else. But you don't see it that way because you are decent. I'm the same way in WoW with how I view things. People like that are the ****ing worst though, it's so irritating to play with someone who's outright better than you and he's seemingly a pretty good shot but can't conceive of the fact that other people may not be able to aim as well as they themselves do. I know where I have to aim but I can't do it because I'm not 16 anymore. What's up with those really good players making smurfs and ending up around DMG to LEM or even lower and bullying the guys there. "Shit like that would never happen at my level" I heard recently, after the guy on my team got killed by a weird push on inferno that was apparently so stupid it wasn't supposed to happen. "You guys buy flashes and smokes, that's cute". How can you be good at CS yet so fucking daft that you wouldn't understand why other people aren't as good? The only reason is that those folks want to get a rise out of others and it's the only way they've found. Making smurfs is fucking stupid imo, and anyone that is actually high ranked should hop over to esea and actually spend their time and effort improving and moving on to the next level, rather than smashing a bunch of people that are worse than them. This is my entire point. The unknown people that are high ranked on matchmaking aren't good players, they are just egotistical players that are above average and have no idea how many other people there are exactly like them in competitive play. Fuck ESEA though, the people running that joke of a service are the scum of the earth and I'm saying that because I used the service and it didn't take long for me to run into grade A bullshit. The whole bitcoin story is pretty shady as well... Anywho there are some pretty good players who play in MM and they're not just trampling all over everybody.
Well there isn't anywhere else to go besides esea. You can always play cevo but pretty much everyone scrims on esea. If you want to make it somewhere in this game you're pretty much forced to play esea at some point.
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On July 16 2014 12:22 SyNc` wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2014 12:15 Djzapz wrote:On July 16 2014 10:54 SyNc` wrote:On July 16 2014 10:51 Djzapz wrote:On July 16 2014 10:43 Zooper31 wrote:On July 16 2014 10:40 SyNc` wrote:On July 16 2014 10:37 Zooper31 wrote:On July 16 2014 10:29 SyNc` wrote:On July 16 2014 09:49 Djzapz wrote:
It's pretty hilarious how people behave. DMG players are not even actually good in the grand scheme of things. They get destroyed by players who play competitively at all and even most pretty bad ESEA pugs. As a DMG/LEM, I rarely allow myself to shit on players who are playing worse than myself because frankly I've been shown who's boss enough times to have been taught a well-deserved lesson in humility.
Earlier I was playing badly and tried to call a strategy for T in nuke and the guy told me that I was trash because I couldn't get a positive score in matchmaking. The very next game I played against him and he was in the negatives and I destroyed him repeatedly. Yet I'm slow as shit in comparison to some of the guys I've played against. So who am I to tell a Master Guardian kid he can't play this game? He's just as bad in comparison to me as I'm bad in comparison to some random unknown ESEA fuckwit nobody has ever heard about. And I don't appreciate random morons to lecture me on how to play videogames of all things. The entire ranking system of csgo is stupid. People view global elites the same as they view people who are grandmaster in sc2, and its not even close to being the same. The majority of people in global elite were either boosted there, cheat off client, or are just puggers with no understanding of teamwork and proper gameplay. That being said the reason people group a bunch of ranks into the same category of "bad" players is because everyone who transitions to esea, and is under legendary eagle master, is not a good player. There's a difference between being elitist and being a realist. Most of the idiots in matchmaking that are high ranked think they are amazing and call anyone that is a lower rank than them terrible, yet they would be the ones that would be terrible in a competitive environment. Its the same in sc2 and the same in dota 2, and the same in every competitive game. There is always a rank where people start to be viewed as good players, and everyone under is most likely just average or below average. Of course there's always outliers but in sc2 anyone who was below master was considered bad, even though the difference within each rank was obviously noticeable. The only reason there's more cheaters in the global elite is because the game is cheaper than SC2. The only reason there's more boosted players in the global elite is because it's harder to boost in SC2 since it's a 1v1. The 3rd group you listed is perfectly fine, they got there by playing on nothing but their own doing, it is well deserved. That being said it's just as hard getting to global elite in CSGO as it is to get to grandmaster in SC2 if you play normally. The only reason its hard to get global is because there are so many cheaters. Before all these sales I queued up with a few friends and got to global after 20 wins. Its easy to get because even at the top of mm the players aren't good, whereas GM in sc2 the players are already semi-pro competitively and have good mechanics and understanding of the game. You are hugely over generalizing the game based on your personal experiences. You are obviously skilled at the game and consider anyone else below you bad like everyone else. But you don't see it that way because you are decent. I'm the same way in WoW with how I view things. People like that are the ****ing worst though, it's so irritating to play with someone who's outright better than you and he's seemingly a pretty good shot but can't conceive of the fact that other people may not be able to aim as well as they themselves do. I know where I have to aim but I can't do it because I'm not 16 anymore. What's up with those really good players making smurfs and ending up around DMG to LEM or even lower and bullying the guys there. "Shit like that would never happen at my level" I heard recently, after the guy on my team got killed by a weird push on inferno that was apparently so stupid it wasn't supposed to happen. "You guys buy flashes and smokes, that's cute". How can you be good at CS yet so fucking daft that you wouldn't understand why other people aren't as good? The only reason is that those folks want to get a rise out of others and it's the only way they've found. Making smurfs is fucking stupid imo, and anyone that is actually high ranked should hop over to esea and actually spend their time and effort improving and moving on to the next level, rather than smashing a bunch of people that are worse than them. This is my entire point. The unknown people that are high ranked on matchmaking aren't good players, they are just egotistical players that are above average and have no idea how many other people there are exactly like them in competitive play. Fuck ESEA though, the people running that joke of a service are the scum of the earth and I'm saying that because I used the service and it didn't take long for me to run into grade A bullshit. The whole bitcoin story is pretty shady as well... Anywho there are some pretty good players who play in MM and they're not just trampling all over everybody. Well there isn't anywhere else to go besides esea. You can always play cevo but pretty much everyone scrims on esea. If you want to make it somewhere in this game you're pretty much forced to play esea at some point.
I'm pretty sure I won't make it seeing how I can't go past LEM anymore and I'm highly inconsistent but there are some reasonably high level games being played in MM. I'm not convinced that hackers are such a huge problem. I guess they may not be playing at my level but yeah. I guess they come in waves with sales tho that's for sure.
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On July 16 2014 12:25 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2014 12:22 SyNc` wrote:On July 16 2014 12:15 Djzapz wrote:On July 16 2014 10:54 SyNc` wrote:On July 16 2014 10:51 Djzapz wrote:On July 16 2014 10:43 Zooper31 wrote:On July 16 2014 10:40 SyNc` wrote:On July 16 2014 10:37 Zooper31 wrote:On July 16 2014 10:29 SyNc` wrote:On July 16 2014 09:49 Djzapz wrote:
It's pretty hilarious how people behave. DMG players are not even actually good in the grand scheme of things. They get destroyed by players who play competitively at all and even most pretty bad ESEA pugs. As a DMG/LEM, I rarely allow myself to shit on players who are playing worse than myself because frankly I've been shown who's boss enough times to have been taught a well-deserved lesson in humility.
Earlier I was playing badly and tried to call a strategy for T in nuke and the guy told me that I was trash because I couldn't get a positive score in matchmaking. The very next game I played against him and he was in the negatives and I destroyed him repeatedly. Yet I'm slow as shit in comparison to some of the guys I've played against. So who am I to tell a Master Guardian kid he can't play this game? He's just as bad in comparison to me as I'm bad in comparison to some random unknown ESEA fuckwit nobody has ever heard about. And I don't appreciate random morons to lecture me on how to play videogames of all things. The entire ranking system of csgo is stupid. People view global elites the same as they view people who are grandmaster in sc2, and its not even close to being the same. The majority of people in global elite were either boosted there, cheat off client, or are just puggers with no understanding of teamwork and proper gameplay. That being said the reason people group a bunch of ranks into the same category of "bad" players is because everyone who transitions to esea, and is under legendary eagle master, is not a good player. There's a difference between being elitist and being a realist. Most of the idiots in matchmaking that are high ranked think they are amazing and call anyone that is a lower rank than them terrible, yet they would be the ones that would be terrible in a competitive environment. Its the same in sc2 and the same in dota 2, and the same in every competitive game. There is always a rank where people start to be viewed as good players, and everyone under is most likely just average or below average. Of course there's always outliers but in sc2 anyone who was below master was considered bad, even though the difference within each rank was obviously noticeable. The only reason there's more cheaters in the global elite is because the game is cheaper than SC2. The only reason there's more boosted players in the global elite is because it's harder to boost in SC2 since it's a 1v1. The 3rd group you listed is perfectly fine, they got there by playing on nothing but their own doing, it is well deserved. That being said it's just as hard getting to global elite in CSGO as it is to get to grandmaster in SC2 if you play normally. The only reason its hard to get global is because there are so many cheaters. Before all these sales I queued up with a few friends and got to global after 20 wins. Its easy to get because even at the top of mm the players aren't good, whereas GM in sc2 the players are already semi-pro competitively and have good mechanics and understanding of the game. You are hugely over generalizing the game based on your personal experiences. You are obviously skilled at the game and consider anyone else below you bad like everyone else. But you don't see it that way because you are decent. I'm the same way in WoW with how I view things. People like that are the ****ing worst though, it's so irritating to play with someone who's outright better than you and he's seemingly a pretty good shot but can't conceive of the fact that other people may not be able to aim as well as they themselves do. I know where I have to aim but I can't do it because I'm not 16 anymore. What's up with those really good players making smurfs and ending up around DMG to LEM or even lower and bullying the guys there. "Shit like that would never happen at my level" I heard recently, after the guy on my team got killed by a weird push on inferno that was apparently so stupid it wasn't supposed to happen. "You guys buy flashes and smokes, that's cute". How can you be good at CS yet so fucking daft that you wouldn't understand why other people aren't as good? The only reason is that those folks want to get a rise out of others and it's the only way they've found. Making smurfs is fucking stupid imo, and anyone that is actually high ranked should hop over to esea and actually spend their time and effort improving and moving on to the next level, rather than smashing a bunch of people that are worse than them. This is my entire point. The unknown people that are high ranked on matchmaking aren't good players, they are just egotistical players that are above average and have no idea how many other people there are exactly like them in competitive play. Fuck ESEA though, the people running that joke of a service are the scum of the earth and I'm saying that because I used the service and it didn't take long for me to run into grade A bullshit. The whole bitcoin story is pretty shady as well... Anywho there are some pretty good players who play in MM and they're not just trampling all over everybody. Well there isn't anywhere else to go besides esea. You can always play cevo but pretty much everyone scrims on esea. If you want to make it somewhere in this game you're pretty much forced to play esea at some point. I'm pretty sure I won't make it seeing how I can't go past LEM anymore and I'm highly inconsistent but there are some reasonably high level games being played in MM. I'm not convinced that hackers are such a huge problem. I guess they may not be playing at my level but yeah. I guess they come in waves with sales tho that's for sure.
I meant for league play, not pug play. If you want to play league then your only options are cevo and esea. However, every team practices on esea because irc isn't really big anymore and you don't need to waste money on your own server if you have esea.
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Even if you cheat in SC2 you still need to be pretty good at the game to get into GM or high masters. Are there any useful cheats in multi-player other than map hacks?
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On July 16 2014 15:17 wptlzkwjd wrote:
Even if you cheat in SC2 you still need to be pretty good at the game to get into GM or high masters. Are there any useful cheats in multi-player other than map hacks?
I guess something that would automatically make workers for you or make supply buildings or automatically do upgrades or something so you can basically focus 100% on army control and scouting.
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On July 16 2014 15:17 wptlzkwjd wrote:
Even if you cheat in SC2 you still need to be pretty good at the game to get into GM or high masters. Are there any useful cheats in multi-player other than map hacks?
Yea but then again, you have to be decently good at the game too to reach global in csgo while cheating and NOT getting caught. Obvious cheater get overwatched instantly, and even if you are careful and everything, a lot of hacks get detected as valve as put a lot of effort into vac recently. I guess some private cheats still work tho.
Anyway, I've learned pretty fast not to care about ranks, they are truly meaningless other than a very very rough estimation. I reached LEM and I suck. I mean I am really inconsistent and I can struggle in a MG game and then destroy everyone the game after. I don't even know why people care enough about those MM ranks to cheat to get them...
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The guy talking about Global not being like grandmasters in SC2 is deluded. Newsflash: GM is filled with hackers, boosters and the boosted. Alongside the few legitimate players. Much like Global. Unless things have changed since SC2's decline in popularity at the end of WoL, which is doubtful. GM is artificially limited too, so i'd press you to include the top-top-bracket masters as well.
Fawkes, my last post wasn't even directed at you tbh, theres plenty elitists that roam these halls is all i was pointing out, but if you're under the impression that your posts are fine and dont exude any "elitism" then you need to reread them until you do.
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Ranks are important ! They give you overwatch :p
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No they don't, it's 125 wins in competitive regardless of rank. (Right?)
EDIT: Just checked and Volvo is very weird about it. They don't really give out actual info, so yeah, nevermind!
EDIT2: To contribute to the ongoing discussion about the new Dust 2 doors... I honestly am mostly disturbed at how much this looks. It just doesn't feel like Dust 2 anymore. Sounds silly but the walls, the crates and the double doors are just BURNED into my brain from when I started playing CS like 12 years ago and it just feels really, really weird. The period where even body shots killed you through them was ridiculous of course, that had to be patched, but I wish they would've found a way to make the doors thicker or whatever, but keep the wooden texture on it that's so characteristic of Dust.
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On July 16 2014 21:40 NihiLStarcraft wrote:
No they don't, it's 125 wins in competitive regardless of rank. (Right?)
EDIT: Just checked and Volvo is very weird about it. They don't really give out actual info, so yeah, nevermind!
EDIT2: To contribute to the ongoing discussion about the new Dust 2 doors... I honestly am mostly disturbed at how much this looks. It just doesn't feel like Dust 2 anymore. Sounds silly but the walls, the crates and the double doors are just BURNED into my brain from when I started playing CS like 12 years ago and it just feels really, really weird. The period where even body shots killed you through them was ridiculous of course, that had to be patched, but I wish they would've found a way to make the doors thicker or whatever, but keep the wooden texture on it that's so characteristic of Dust.
Its usually 150wins and you have to be above a certain rank, don't remember which tho.
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On July 16 2014 22:08 Roggay wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2014 21:40 NihiLStarcraft wrote:
No they don't, it's 125 wins in competitive regardless of rank. (Right?)
EDIT: Just checked and Volvo is very weird about it. They don't really give out actual info, so yeah, nevermind!
EDIT2: To contribute to the ongoing discussion about the new Dust 2 doors... I honestly am mostly disturbed at how much this looks. It just doesn't feel like Dust 2 anymore. Sounds silly but the walls, the crates and the double doors are just BURNED into my brain from when I started playing CS like 12 years ago and it just feels really, really weird. The period where even body shots killed you through them was ridiculous of course, that had to be patched, but I wish they would've found a way to make the doors thicker or whatever, but keep the wooden texture on it that's so characteristic of Dust. Its usually 150wins and you have to be above a certain rank, don't remember which tho.
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Promoted to Distinguished Master Guardian!
I did not expect this! Woo!
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Yesterday I played two solo queue matches and it was pretty good (1 win, 1 tie, could've easily won the second one if the team communicated better) but today has been a fucking NIGHTMARE. 2 games, 2 losses. Both games NONE of my teammates had mics, not a SINGLE one of them. And it wasn't like a 4-stack that's in mumble plus me either (and yes voice_enable was set to 1).
One guy buys a Nova every round, one guy a P90 even though he has all the money in the world, one guy gets a Scout every round. One guy abandons after it's 1:4 against us. And it honestly seemed that my teammates were just bad in general skill as well. You make calls and they literally don't know what to do. You say "save" and they run in for no reason. They BUY EVERY ROUND........
It's so frustrating to be in low Gold Nova and not be able to win because of this. I make plenty of individual mistakes obviously at my level but if your teams are THAT bad there's nothing you can do I feel. Really annoying.
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I mean AK ranks buy for no reason and yolo everywhere too.
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Yeah but maybe you get one bad seed that's either bad and boosted or a troll, but an entire team of these people......
The problem when nobody else has a mic is that I need to look a lot more at the radar and I try and call out where other people die and where enemies are because I'm the only one that can obviously (text chat is just not good enough in the heat of a game, plus most just don't do anything). And that results in me not being able to focus on the actual game myself. AND when I decide to screw and just play like my other teammates I get shot from behind because the other guy covering me got killed and I didn't notice.
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On July 17 2014 01:06 NihiLStarcraft wrote:
Yesterday I played two solo queue matches and it was pretty good (1 win, 1 tie, could've easily won the second one if the team communicated better) but today has been a fucking NIGHTMARE. 2 games, 2 losses. Both games NONE of my teammates had mics, not a SINGLE one of them. And it wasn't like a 4-stack that's in mumble plus me either (and yes voice_enable was set to 1).
One guy buys a Nova every round, one guy a P90 even though he has all the money in the world, one guy gets a Scout every round. One guy abandons after it's 1:4 against us. And it honestly seemed that my teammates were just bad in general skill as well. You make calls and they literally don't know what to do. You say "save" and they run in for no reason. They BUY EVERY ROUND........
It's so frustrating to be in low Gold Nova and not be able to win because of this. I make plenty of individual mistakes obviously at my level but if your teams are THAT bad there's nothing you can do I feel. Really annoying.
I feel with you man. I played with a friend today and it was horrible. In two matches we had to mute our entire team because they were talking in russian all the time, no break, and refrained from talking in english when we asked them to. In the third match we had one decent guy, one guy that was in gold 3 but somehow always aimed at the floor and one guy who picked no kills in the entirety of the game and was afk half of the time. Lost that one 9-16. The fourth match we qued with two bosnian guys we met some days before and we won that pretty convincingly after having absolute terrible start (none of us four was hitting any shots for the first 6 rounds, lol). And still, in that game our fifth man did what he wanted, didn't react on calls, was bottom fragging etc. but flamed us as noobs all the times and even tean killed on purpose...
If you are interested in playing with us you can add me (Skillless One on steam). We are fairly new to GO and thus terrible (currently Silver Elite Master) but maybe it's less frustrating for you if you at least have some communication.
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