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pNRG
Profile Joined February 2012
United States333 Posts
August 22 2012 21:38 GMT
#3021
On August 23 2012 05:14 Gingerninja wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 05:01 pNRG- wrote:
On August 23 2012 04:47 Gingerninja wrote:
The new NiP team, much like the previous one has been born from the bits of SK. There currently is no SK team, but both Forrest and GetRight play on the new NiP, can't wait to see them in action tbh.


Always loved both of these players. Would love to see the likes of HeatoN and SpawN.... and potti, walle, ingarmarsson, element, tentpole... Okay you get the point =]


Can't wait to see if fRod or Markeloff switch, Superstar AWP'ers all day everyday.


How about Johnny R. and Ksharp?

On August 23 2012 05:41 jimbob615 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 05:01 pNRG- wrote:
On August 23 2012 04:47 Gingerninja wrote:
The new NiP team, much like the previous one has been born from the bits of SK. There currently is no SK team, but both Forrest and GetRight play on the new NiP, can't wait to see them in action tbh.


Always loved both of these players. Would love to see the likes of HeatoN and SpawN.... and potti, walle, ingarmarsson, element, tentpole... Okay you get the point =]


lol ingemarrson is potti... Tommi Ingemarrson.

Don't ask me how I know this from memory 8 years later

I hope fisker, shag, element and dsn return. And vilden he was cool.


Woops, got excited and messed this up lol
"He's like a Kakuna with Flamestrike." - Artosis 25.7.2014 \\ "Sometimes you gotta' be manly to get out of the group stage, Reynad." -Artosis 17.10.2014 \\ “There goes your dream of a frivolous lawsuit with a brewing company.” – Tasteless 26.8.2015
xgtx
Profile Joined February 2009
227 Posts
August 22 2012 22:37 GMT
#3022
On August 23 2012 05:11 stratmatt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 04:49 xgtx wrote:
are there any new news about the sound? its impossible to localize the footsteps.



Thats not really true. Directional sound works great, just not distance.


This can't be true. I and many other have the same "problem". I have an expensive soundcard and 5.1 sourround sound system, also expensive headset. And it's impossible in this game to localize where the footsteps come from. In every other game this works really well and easy, but in cs:go, impossible. It's like monosound.
Hoon
Profile Joined December 2010
Brazil891 Posts
August 22 2012 22:41 GMT
#3023
On August 23 2012 07:37 xgtx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 05:11 stratmatt wrote:
On August 23 2012 04:49 xgtx wrote:
are there any new news about the sound? its impossible to localize the footsteps.



Thats not really true. Directional sound works great, just not distance.


This can't be true. I and many other have the same "problem". I have an expensive soundcard and 5.1 sourround sound system, also expensive headset. And it's impossible in this game to localize where the footsteps come from. In every other game this works really well and easy, but in cs:go, impossible. It's like monosound.

It's not about how much you pay, it's how well you configure the audio settings.
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xgtx
Profile Joined February 2009
227 Posts
August 22 2012 22:48 GMT
#3024
there is nothing you can adjust in this game for sound expect "headset, 2.1,4.1 and 5.1"
stratmatt
Profile Joined April 2011
United States913 Posts
August 22 2012 23:04 GMT
#3025
Yo guys Heaton is gonna be on lo3 which starts any minute now.
Dizmaul
Profile Joined March 2010
United States831 Posts
August 22 2012 23:14 GMT
#3026
On August 23 2012 08:04 stratmatt wrote:
Yo guys Heaton is gonna be on lo3 which starts any minute now.


link?
It is what it is
stratmatt
Profile Joined April 2011
United States913 Posts
August 22 2012 23:20 GMT
#3027
http://www.twitch.tv/OneMoreGameTV
GeorgeH
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom190 Posts
August 23 2012 00:08 GMT
#3028
When the server changes map, I seem to crash 50% of the time :S
pNRG
Profile Joined February 2012
United States333 Posts
August 23 2012 00:14 GMT
#3029
On August 23 2012 08:20 stratmatt wrote:
http://www.twitch.tv/OneMoreGameTV


They are speaking about CS: GO now. HeatoN incoming.
"He's like a Kakuna with Flamestrike." - Artosis 25.7.2014 \\ "Sometimes you gotta' be manly to get out of the group stage, Reynad." -Artosis 17.10.2014 \\ “There goes your dream of a frivolous lawsuit with a brewing company.” – Tasteless 26.8.2015
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19086 Posts
August 23 2012 00:15 GMT
#3030
zomg

/fangirl
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
pNRG
Profile Joined February 2012
United States333 Posts
August 23 2012 00:33 GMT
#3031
LOL @ Alex Garfield thinking he knows more about the CS scene than HeatoN. That's a jest.
"He's like a Kakuna with Flamestrike." - Artosis 25.7.2014 \\ "Sometimes you gotta' be manly to get out of the group stage, Reynad." -Artosis 17.10.2014 \\ “There goes your dream of a frivolous lawsuit with a brewing company.” – Tasteless 26.8.2015
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
August 23 2012 00:39 GMT
#3032
how do i not suck at this game? every game i join, i get vote kicked after 5 or so rounds
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-23 00:44:19
August 23 2012 00:43 GMT
#3033
On August 23 2012 07:41 Hoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 07:37 xgtx wrote:
On August 23 2012 05:11 stratmatt wrote:
On August 23 2012 04:49 xgtx wrote:
are there any new news about the sound? its impossible to localize the footsteps.



Thats not really true. Directional sound works great, just not distance.


This can't be true. I and many other have the same "problem". I have an expensive soundcard and 5.1 sourround sound system, also expensive headset. And it's impossible in this game to localize where the footsteps come from. In every other game this works really well and easy, but in cs:go, impossible. It's like monosound.

It's not about how much you pay, it's how well you configure the audio settings.

I'm basically going to repost what I did on the cs:go forum, basically you have to configure sound to your setup to make it good (optimal setting), which makes directional sound ok, however in order for it to be great a number of tweaks are still needed. Someone mentioned that go uses sound that doesn't penetrate walls, but I don't agree with the statement based on everything that I've heard in game and how I know wave propagation behaves in the real world (sound in go does not behave that way).


CS:GO Sound: Propagation Tweaks Needed

So I've been playing the beta for a couple of weeks now and being somewhat less experienced of a CS player I shouldn't be commenting on balance, however there is one area that I have a lot of experience in that I feel has somewhat missed the mark in CS:GO, sound.

Sound pre-patch around the 10th or so was pretty awful and discerning a lot of locations or enemies, bomb locales, etc was very difficult. That being said with the recent updates sound has been improved quite substantially. I now can hear at least mostly where enemies are or track their location using audio cues, however I was still left with the feeling that a lot more could be done to improve the audio in the game and what I consider one of the larger, though more subtle problems left in CS:GO.


Sound Wave Propagation

Sound wave propagation behaves rather oddly in this game. The main offender is the nature of how each sound propagates when interacting with the environment. For this see Example 1:

[image loading]

In this example you have a T and a CT on Office, and you are trying to discern the location of each other, however its somewhat difficult to do so due to how sound propagates on the map (happens on all maps). The T is moving from side to side in order to check where the CT is going to enter and the CT is trying to figure out where the safest entrance is. Now say the T moves to location B. What happens aurally is that the CT cannot tell through audio cues whether the T has moved from the hostage room to the B location. In actuality the CT hears the T most likely at C and you can see why that could be problematic should he choose to enter through B. Overall what the CT hears is a linear movement that is propagated longitudinally from the T center point outward (see line c1a).

Now the above situation is how sound propagates, but in a very simplified fashion. What we currently do not have is wall or object material, density, or reflectivity affecting how the sound emanates from one place and is received at another. In terms of dB, due to the fact that sound traveling through the B location occupies more ambient space, is longer, and less direct than the A path, if the T moved to the B location from his starting point, to the CT should hear a subtle drop in dB and a more diffuse or muffled footstep cue. For the CT this small change immediately tells him that the T is not moving towards the A hall opening and may in fact be moving towards B or B1, or at the very least is near the far side wall in the hostage room. Now we can pick out movement much better.

Example Two:
[image loading]

The CT has the hostages, and T is trying to figure out where CT is trying to exit. Now because the distance from the CT to the T going down the back corridor is much longer than through the main entrance to the T spawn as well as having a substantially thicker wall (A) between them, footstep indications should be lessened overall if the CT were to move in that direction than if here were to come out of the T spawn main. This situation is slightly different from the last however as there is a large wall between the two players and the wave propagation has a significant travel distance to get from the CT to the T. What makes this different is that the overall audio cues should be greatly diminished, and much more polarized in how the sound gets to the T. For instance, should the CT decide to move down the back corridor, the T should begin to get cues almost exclusively from that direction due to wave travel distance and map/wall obstruction (assuming they are facing each other, the T would only be getting cues from his L channel, or very very minimally from his right).

What we currently get in both these situations however is a much more linear indicator of where movement is occurring, but determining distance, direction, and precise movements is extremely difficult due to the fact that the environment has very little impact on positional indicators. Because of that we hear closer to what those linear lines indicate.


Overall sound has been improved, but waves still do not propagate on maps in a natural fashion. They radiate longitudinally from the origin point (see circles) where only a rudimentary distance and position can be discerned. Environmental cues/considerations are almost nonexistent and is perhaps one of the most important ways to precisely determine movement, distance, and positional locations.
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Spiffeh
Profile Joined May 2010
United States830 Posts
August 23 2012 00:57 GMT
#3034
On August 23 2012 09:39 rei wrote:
how do i not suck at this game? every game i join, i get vote kicked after 5 or so rounds


you gotta play in servers without douchebags 0.0
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 23 2012 00:59 GMT
#3035
On August 23 2012 09:39 rei wrote:
how do i not suck at this game? every game i join, i get vote kicked after 5 or so rounds


Play deathmatch until you can aim decently with the most popular weaps (ak, m4, awp, deagle) than you start playing on classic competitive matchmaking or servers.
GrapeApe
Profile Joined March 2011
1053 Posts
August 23 2012 01:20 GMT
#3036
On August 23 2012 09:57 Spiffeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 09:39 rei wrote:
how do i not suck at this game? every game i join, i get vote kicked after 5 or so rounds


you gotta play in servers without douchebags 0.0


Pretty much this. I've played pretty poorly myself, and played with some people waaay worse than even I am, but still rarely see people get voted out by vote-kick due to K/D :\
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zettai
Profile Joined July 2008
Sweden55 Posts
August 23 2012 01:50 GMT
#3037
Hm i was never that kinda big fan of CS, more of a quakeplayer but i bought csgo to give it a try. It's a fun game, but not so much new content from the original execpt a few gamemods. What really bugs me are the models, they are like floathing on the floor. I know a lot of 1.6 whined about this about Source, feels almost the same. Models are hard to see sometimes. Other than that its a decent game for me.
zachMEISTER
Profile Joined December 2010
United States625 Posts
August 23 2012 02:06 GMT
#3038
On August 23 2012 06:38 pNRG- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 05:14 Gingerninja wrote:
On August 23 2012 05:01 pNRG- wrote:
On August 23 2012 04:47 Gingerninja wrote:
The new NiP team, much like the previous one has been born from the bits of SK. There currently is no SK team, but both Forrest and GetRight play on the new NiP, can't wait to see them in action tbh.


Always loved both of these players. Would love to see the likes of HeatoN and SpawN.... and potti, walle, ingarmarsson, element, tentpole... Okay you get the point =]


Can't wait to see if fRod or Markeloff switch, Superstar AWP'ers all day everyday.


How about Johnny R. and Ksharp?

Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 05:41 jimbob615 wrote:
On August 23 2012 05:01 pNRG- wrote:
On August 23 2012 04:47 Gingerninja wrote:
The new NiP team, much like the previous one has been born from the bits of SK. There currently is no SK team, but both Forrest and GetRight play on the new NiP, can't wait to see them in action tbh.


Always loved both of these players. Would love to see the likes of HeatoN and SpawN.... and potti, walle, ingarmarsson, element, tentpole... Okay you get the point =]


lol ingemarrson is potti... Tommi Ingemarrson.

Don't ask me how I know this from memory 8 years later

I hope fisker, shag, element and dsn return. And vilden he was cool.


Woops, got excited and messed this up lol


Johnny R and Ksharp have been washed up for a whiles.
psillypsybic!
xgtx
Profile Joined February 2009
227 Posts
August 23 2012 02:23 GMT
#3039
+ Show Spoiler +

On August 23 2012 09:43 wo1fwood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 07:41 Hoon wrote:
On August 23 2012 07:37 xgtx wrote:
On August 23 2012 05:11 stratmatt wrote:
On August 23 2012 04:49 xgtx wrote:
are there any new news about the sound? its impossible to localize the footsteps.



Thats not really true. Directional sound works great, just not distance.


This can't be true. I and many other have the same "problem". I have an expensive soundcard and 5.1 sourround sound system, also expensive headset. And it's impossible in this game to localize where the footsteps come from. In every other game this works really well and easy, but in cs:go, impossible. It's like monosound.

It's not about how much you pay, it's how well you configure the audio settings.

I'm basically going to repost what I did on the cs:go forum, basically you have to configure sound to your setup to make it good (optimal setting), which makes directional sound ok, however in order for it to be great a number of tweaks are still needed. Someone mentioned that go uses sound that doesn't penetrate walls, but I don't agree with the statement based on everything that I've heard in game and how I know wave propagation behaves in the real world (sound in go does not behave that way).


CS:GO Sound: Propagation Tweaks Needed

So I've been playing the beta for a couple of weeks now and being somewhat less experienced of a CS player I shouldn't be commenting on balance, however there is one area that I have a lot of experience in that I feel has somewhat missed the mark in CS:GO, sound.

Sound pre-patch around the 10th or so was pretty awful and discerning a lot of locations or enemies, bomb locales, etc was very difficult. That being said with the recent updates sound has been improved quite substantially. I now can hear at least mostly where enemies are or track their location using audio cues, however I was still left with the feeling that a lot more could be done to improve the audio in the game and what I consider one of the larger, though more subtle problems left in CS:GO.


Sound Wave Propagation

Sound wave propagation behaves rather oddly in this game. The main offender is the nature of how each sound propagates when interacting with the environment. For this see Example 1:

[image loading]

In this example you have a T and a CT on Office, and you are trying to discern the location of each other, however its somewhat difficult to do so due to how sound propagates on the map (happens on all maps). The T is moving from side to side in order to check where the CT is going to enter and the CT is trying to figure out where the safest entrance is. Now say the T moves to location B. What happens aurally is that the CT cannot tell through audio cues whether the T has moved from the hostage room to the B location. In actuality the CT hears the T most likely at C and you can see why that could be problematic should he choose to enter through B. Overall what the CT hears is a linear movement that is propagated longitudinally from the T center point outward (see line c1a).

Now the above situation is how sound propagates, but in a very simplified fashion. What we currently do not have is wall or object material, density, or reflectivity affecting how the sound emanates from one place and is received at another. In terms of dB, due to the fact that sound traveling through the B location occupies more ambient space, is longer, and less direct than the A path, if the T moved to the B location from his starting point, to the CT should hear a subtle drop in dB and a more diffuse or muffled footstep cue. For the CT this small change immediately tells him that the T is not moving towards the A hall opening and may in fact be moving towards B or B1, or at the very least is near the far side wall in the hostage room. Now we can pick out movement much better.

Example Two:
[image loading]

The CT has the hostages, and T is trying to figure out where CT is trying to exit. Now because the distance from the CT to the T going down the back corridor is much longer than through the main entrance to the T spawn as well as having a substantially thicker wall (A) between them, footstep indications should be lessened overall if the CT were to move in that direction than if here were to come out of the T spawn main. This situation is slightly different from the last however as there is a large wall between the two players and the wave propagation has a significant travel distance to get from the CT to the T. What makes this different is that the overall audio cues should be greatly diminished, and much more polarized in how the sound gets to the T. For instance, should the CT decide to move down the back corridor, the T should begin to get cues almost exclusively from that direction due to wave travel distance and map/wall obstruction (assuming they are facing each other, the T would only be getting cues from his L channel, or very very minimally from his right).

What we currently get in both these situations however is a much more linear indicator of where movement is occurring, but determining distance, direction, and precise movements is extremely difficult due to the fact that the environment has very little impact on positional indicators. Because of that we hear closer to what those linear lines indicate.


Overall sound has been improved, but waves still do not propagate on maps in a natural fashion. They radiate longitudinally from the origin point (see circles) where only a rudimentary distance and position can be discerned. Environmental cues/considerations are almost nonexistent and is perhaps one of the most important ways to precisely determine movement, distance, and positional locations.



aha... and what kind of settings you are talking the whole time? you can only adjust headset,2.1, 4.1 and 5.1.... why do I always have to repeat myself....
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
August 23 2012 02:25 GMT
#3040
does anyone know if the crash problems with amd cpu are getting fixed/ look at? still havent been able to play once. would appreciate it if anyone has found a fix
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