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Shoutout to all the Finnish CS:GO players. You guys are probably the best thing in this community. I played with a lot of them by now and somehow they are all the same:
- above average in skill in respect to their rank
- they all have the same voice. They sound like they just got out of bed, got on the PC right after their morning cigarette but before their morning coffee
- they are friendly and good teammate, communication is usually minimal but effective
- when they get triggered or start to rage, you can’t be mad. You just hold on to the next thing you can grab and try your best not to fall from your chair while listening to crazy Finnish noises. How the fuck can you people stay mad while hearing yourself? Finnish best language EU
- the more fins you got, the greater the effect. If you got enough they might even chat which each other in Finnish.
Thanks for making the grinde to rank 20 on my alt bearable :D
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France9034 Posts
Vittu!
Only word of Finnish I know, thanks to the good Luolis.
Actually it's quite surprising how much it seems that finnish people get together and chat when they discover each other is also finnish. Seems to happen in any context, with anyone from what I've seen. :D
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Thanks for the praise waffelz <3
On August 23 2017 17:24 Ragnarork wrote:
Actually it's quite surprising how much it seems that finnish people get together and chat when they discover each other is also finnish. Seems to happen in any context, with anyone from what I've seen. :D
Yeah that is an interesting phenomenon. I've noticed it too (i wonder why  ). We need studies on why it happens lmao
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Magic Woods9326 Posts
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On August 23 2017 17:24 Ragnarork wrote:
Actually it's quite surprising how much it seems that finnish people get together and chat when they discover each other is also finnish. Seems to happen in any context, with anyone from what I've seen. :D
I feel like with finnish people it is even more true than with others. Could be that they have a very wordy language though, I don't speak finnish but when 2 finns meet, the minimal communication turns into the opposite : D
They also seem to get excited when you show interest in their country and love to tell you about it, seems to be the perfect opener for a conversation with them. CS:GO slowly turning me into an expert for (online) cultures. I shall study the finns, live amongst them and become one of their own 
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France9034 Posts
Luolis is our prime example here.
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On August 24 2017 19:17 waffelz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2017 17:24 Ragnarork wrote:
Actually it's quite surprising how much it seems that finnish people get together and chat when they discover each other is also finnish. Seems to happen in any context, with anyone from what I've seen. :D I feel like with finnish people it is even more true than with others. Could be that they have a very wordy language though, I don't speak finnish but when 2 finns meet, the minimal communication turns into the opposite : D They also seem to get excited when you show interest in their country and love to tell you about it, seems to be the perfect opener for a conversation with them. CS:GO slowly turning me into an expert for (online) cultures. I shall study the finns, live amongst them and become one of their own
Finnish people in one of many nutshells.
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And once again I have to rant about these stupid operationmissions... like wtf, who thought it was a good idea to have no demos/overwatch for them... close to 50% of these fucking games (wingman / weapon expert) turn into hacks vs hacks or just getting raped by hacks. They don't even try to hide it. Straight up aimbot in warmup, not the slightest chance. You get headshotted before they are even on your screen. You can only hope that either someone on your team hacks as well and has the better hacks or someone leaves and you can vote surrender. This shit is so ridiculous. And despite being mega obvious, so far not one of the cheaters I encounteers have been banned. Its even worse than nonprime MM. Best part is when you get matched against the same hackers multiple times in a row. Gaben gib overwatch / demos for operations plox 
Also fuck those pieces of shit who ar to cowardly to hack themselves and let their friends do it or refuse to kick the hacker if it is on your team. CS is so full of pathetic fucks it is unbelievable. Kick him if he is solo, try to gt him kicked by friendly fire when he got a mate goddamn weaklings
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Meh.... why did Dreamhack remove all Malmo 2017 vods on every platform? :/ zzzzzzzzzz
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I have to agree with wffelz venting, not having overwatch in these operations is really an issue. I like wingman a lot, I am only around rank 8 but it already gets nearly unplayable. The weekly operations are even worse, just had 5 games in a row with hackers. The most I like the excuse "I am just toggeling because [player of opposing team] is cheating". Yeah, you only have hacks to use them against other hacks... Just sad, and of course your own team refuses to kick a hacker just like the opposing does : /
EDIT: Wingman isn't even this weeks operation wtf... why hack in a funmode?
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France9034 Posts
That's why I usually don't like operations. I tried them because they're relatively cheap, but I never stay around and play the new modes all operation long. Back to Prime MM at least, if not external platforms with strong AC. Hoping to see their AI based AC kick-off in a nice way. I believe only machine learning can really help win the battle against cheat-coders.
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On September 05 2017 21:14 Ragnarork wrote:
I believe only machine learning can really help win the battle against cheat-coders.
Yeah, first of all it is way too easy to code a cheat. This semester break I took a course which allowed us to pick own projects and with 2 friends we already got something very good that seems to be VAC-proof so far. At least our testaccounts for the final version haven't gotten banned in the last small banwave, while having a number of features similar to current available paid cheats. All that over the course of just 3 weeks with none of us having experience with coding hacks, besides knowing how to code malware that hides from antivirus software. We didn’t had enough time to test our hack with ESEA / Faceit though, but I am almost certain it wouldn't have worked there. But again, just 3 dudes and 3 weeks without any prior experience, and while doing research we found some crazy ideas.
Secondly, there are demonstrations of higher quality cheats that aren't really expensive which I wouldn't be able to spot, despite being very experienced and skilled. Don't really feel like dropping terms, but basically aim enhancements that only boost your performance a slight bit and certain "wallhacks" are simply not reliably detectable by humans. They don't give the user as big of an advantage as a ragehack, but are still extremely effective. I feel like most cheaters that get caught right now are either using free/cheap stuff or fucked up their configuration. I don't know how effectively you could really spot thosegood settings using an AI, since you have to consider false positives, but at least the ragehackers should get wiped out by it. But if we are really honest, it shouldn’t even need an A.I. to autoban someone that spins around the whole time and instagibs everything that comes into his sight. Plus it is sad that you can find a lot of stuff in open sight, not even private forums. You don’t even have to know programming, there is stuff out there that you can just copy paste with minimal knowledge and you’re done.
EDIT: I am also sad that the single player/coop missions weren’t as good as in the last operations. I thought the campaign was really cool.
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France9034 Posts
That your cheat isn't detected by VAC isn't really surprising right now.
I'd be way less certain about it not being detected by ESEA/Faceit. That's a completely different level needed to be able to hide it from their anti-cheat and I doubt that's the case for your cheat.
Also I'm mentioning machine learning in the context of Valve implementing something that's server-side only. It's way easier to uncover cheats if you got an intrusive method like ESEA's AC or ESL wire.
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On September 06 2017 00:21 Ragnarork wrote:
That your cheat isn't detected by VAC isn't really surprising right now.
I'd be way less certain about it not being detected by ESEA/Faceit. That's a completely different level needed to be able to hide it from their anti-cheat and I doubt that's the case for your cheat.
Also I'm mentioning machine learning in the context of Valve implementing something that's server-side only. It's way easier to uncover cheats if you got an intrusive method like ESEA's AC or ESL wire.
I meant to say that I am sure our cheat would have been detected on ESEA / Faceit, but we weren’t able to look into it. Would have liked to get into it, but for testing alone we would have put in much more effort since they got more sophisticated bans.
It is also true that VAC-proof isn't that hard (which is unfortunate, but something you can't avoid while staying in the limitations of the current system), but the fact that we could create the other features like aim assist/aimbot, wallhack etc with relative ease on a level that seems close to cheats that range around 10$/month and the fact that we already where able to do some bare stuff with simply copy-pasting code from open forums is pretty mindboggling. And for our stuff we got a few tweaked parameters that weren’t very obvious, even when we checked it (played tons of rounds in private with and without hacks, than randomly checked our own demos, guessed if we were cheating - I had a very low rate of detecting when I was using aim assist and when not to a point where it probably was just coincidence that I was right).
And that you can still find free cheats that don't use anything to change/obscure their signature that still work is also sad, we found examples where you didn’t even had to register an account to access the required links! They are having a constant income through the market and you could even argue that bans are good for them, since it keeps marketvalues in check and makes ppl buy new accounts, so why not hire a guy that simply searches through all those forums, downloads the cheats, adds their signature to VAC and voila.
Because for me, if I detect some sophisticated use of aimbot after checking the demo, it annoys me a bit, but when I get blatantly ragehacked in my face from a guy that uses some free hack off the internet with retarded settings, I somehow feel utterly defeated.
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France9034 Posts
Yeah sorry I misread.
On September 06 2017 01:25 waffelz wrote:
It is also true that VAC-proof isn't that hard (which is unfortunate, but something you can't avoid while staying in the limitations of the current system), but the fact that we could create the other features like aim assist/aimbot, wallhack etc with relative ease on a level that seems close to cheats that range around 10$/month and the fact that we already where able to do some bare stuff with simply copy-pasting code from open forums is pretty mindboggling. And for our stuff we got a few tweaked parameters that weren’t very obvious, even when we checked it (played tons of rounds in private with and without hacks, than randomly checked our own demos, guessed if we were cheating - I had a very low rate of detecting when I was using aim assist and when not to a point where it probably was just coincidence that I was right).
Yeah well, you're realizing it's not that hard to develop cheats. No one said paying cheats were complicated pieces of software.
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On September 06 2017 04:46 Ragnarork wrote:
Yeah well, you're realizing it's not that hard to develop cheats. No one said paying cheats were complicated pieces of software.
Yeah my point was rather that if we can build up something somewhat sophisticated from scratch without any prior knowledge and very reasonable amount of effort I don't have much hope since there is so much money in it now. Mainly I am just venting and complaining while trying not to feel like every person hacks
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France9034 Posts
Not every person hack. There.
No but seriously, there's overwatch to begin with, which helps where VAC can't really do anything, and now they're improving their system so it scales more (inputting signatures that the AC has to detect doesn't scale well...) and is more efficient at detecting cheats.
I also think people should work on not giving cheaters too much attention, too much anger. That doesn't help, you can't help the fact that there'll always be cheaters, that solving this problem is really hard for casual matches, and that what matters is that up the chain (in a LAN environment, with the best in the world), the tools are there to prevent people from getting there unfairly.
Wasn't the case before (emilio, KQLY, Sf, etc.), but this period triggered a lot of improvements and that's what matters.
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what's happening in mykonos anyway
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France9034 Posts
ESG Tour. That's a tournament series started by PVPro IIRC.
$240,000, eight teams, one through a qualifier. Should be fun.
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Magic Woods9326 Posts
These tournament organizers really need to stop making their own shitty garbage UIs. ESG's doesn't even show the difference between no armor vs armor without helmet. Just stop.
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