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incinerate_
Profile Joined October 2010
172 Posts
March 22 2015 12:19 GMT
#18081
On March 22 2015 20:22 Alur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2015 10:20 ZoRoXo wrote:
On March 22 2015 03:49 HolydaKing wrote:
Dunno if you are still reading/writing here, but GLGL in the racing invitational finals Zoroxo!

Starting in 10 minutes.

(Can't help with the SRS question)

EDIT: Hope Throzz dies, kinda shitty he doesn't stream and owns the others so hard. Though I don't blame him for not streaming haha.
EDIT2: Maybe it'll get close though, some are closing the gap a little.

thx, but got owned pretty hard :D

I'm pretty rusty on templar, but honestly didn't expect to win either way. Bit of a shame that throzz doesn't stream, but he did upload some record runs at times. ( https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2em7W6uBoGu4aQ9UJX_mSQ/videos)
Doesn't seem like he does anything exceptional that I could pick up myself so, guess it mostly just comes down to luck and obviously experience.

The rewards were decent, but for me it was mostly just about the competition.

On March 22 2015 07:59 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On March 22 2015 07:57 Hikari wrote:
ugh Lightning Orb EE+SRS... that sound... really slow =/


SRS has some of the sickest clear speed in the game, at least it used to.

I'd say on hard maps it has some of the sickest clear speeds since you can kind of run over everything (especially being perma vaal hasted on temp chains), but on simple blue maps that everyone rolls these days. Flameblast beats it by a decent margin, even after the nerf tbh. Also arc with curse on hit is imo way better than ball lightning. You may not hit as many, but you hit them instantly and have no issues at all with corruption blood.
My old srs setup http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1203222 could do any map at very decent speed that didn't have blood magic and noregen. Only reason I died was that I pressed wrong potion while being slightly desynced in atziri split phase :D

So I'm gonna be playing SRS in the 1month, and I have a couple of questions about your build.

What is the reasoning behind taking inner force and alchemist? It's hard for me to gauge how powerful these nodes are.
How do you feel about Cloak of Defiance vs. Belly? It should be atleast equally good if you get a few mana nodes and some good ES gear right? Followup: If one was to go CoD, would Pledge of Hands be viable? A potential 7link with 100% increased mana for your MoM sounds interesting.

Edit: Oh, and what about minion instability? Sounds like a neat free dmg boost to me.


Inner Force and alchemist are probably for Atziri runs but I don't know. I played without them on my SRS and was doing fine (till lvl 92 then I got oneshot by Magnus in a shipyard).
Cloak of Defiance: You have to drop haste if you want to use it which is IMO not worth it. Haste gives you cast speed (more spirits), attack speed to your spirits and move speed to both you and your spirits (which is essentially more dps again). It's amazing. SRS is quite expensive anyway so you should go for ES gear either way in order to get sufficient mana regen.

As to pledge of hands +2 levels(or +3) is incredible for SRS scaling I do not think lvl 30 spell echo can make up for that (also I think alot of people use empower in a 6link rather than minion damage, but I don't know about the math behind that particular choice).

Minion Instability will not trigger if the spirits expire only if they drop to low life. Since they will only be attacked by random AOE it's not really worth it IMO. Stuff will die incredibly fast anyway (unless maybe merveil in phase two or something).
ZoRoXo
Profile Joined February 2010
Norway268 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-22 15:01:46
March 22 2015 13:21 GMT
#18082
On March 22 2015 20:22 Alur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2015 10:20 ZoRoXo wrote:
On March 22 2015 03:49 HolydaKing wrote:
Dunno if you are still reading/writing here, but GLGL in the racing invitational finals Zoroxo!

Starting in 10 minutes.

(Can't help with the SRS question)

EDIT: Hope Throzz dies, kinda shitty he doesn't stream and owns the others so hard. Though I don't blame him for not streaming haha.
EDIT2: Maybe it'll get close though, some are closing the gap a little.

thx, but got owned pretty hard :D

I'm pretty rusty on templar, but honestly didn't expect to win either way. Bit of a shame that throzz doesn't stream, but he did upload some record runs at times. ( https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2em7W6uBoGu4aQ9UJX_mSQ/videos)
Doesn't seem like he does anything exceptional that I could pick up myself so, guess it mostly just comes down to luck and obviously experience.

The rewards were decent, but for me it was mostly just about the competition.

On March 22 2015 07:59 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On March 22 2015 07:57 Hikari wrote:
ugh Lightning Orb EE+SRS... that sound... really slow =/


SRS has some of the sickest clear speed in the game, at least it used to.

I'd say on hard maps it has some of the sickest clear speeds since you can kind of run over everything (especially being perma vaal hasted on temp chains), but on simple blue maps that everyone rolls these days. Flameblast beats it by a decent margin, even after the nerf tbh. Also arc with curse on hit is imo way better than ball lightning. You may not hit as many, but you hit them instantly and have no issues at all with corruption blood.
My old srs setup http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1203222 could do any map at very decent speed that didn't have blood magic and noregen. Only reason I died was that I pressed wrong potion while being slightly desynced in atziri split phase :D

So I'm gonna be playing SRS in the 1month, and I have a couple of questions about your build.

What is the reasoning behind taking inner force and alchemist? It's hard for me to gauge how powerful these nodes are.
How do you feel about Cloak of Defiance vs. Belly? It should be atleast equally good if you get a few mana nodes and some good ES gear right? Followup: If one was to go CoD, would Pledge of Hands be viable? A potential 7link with 100% increased mana for your MoM sounds interesting.

Edit: Oh, and what about minion instability? Sounds like a neat free dmg boost to me.


Both inner force and alchemist are very good nodes endgame, mostly because there's nothing else that's really must have. Inner force affects arctic armour, even though it doesn't say so on the tooltip. Also buffs your auras slightly. Dat +1 max res with lvl 20/23 purities.

Alchemist are obviously supergood vs atziri, but even just for regular mapping. Since SRS has those increased duration nodes, that pretty much means lightning warp is terrible for running fast. Thus you often use 2x quicksilvers for mapping, which gets boosted by a fair margin. It also helps boosting your ruby flask vs casual magnus/igna/crema boss.

I don't think there's any way to make Cloak of Defiance work without gimping yourself too much. Haste might seem weak early on, but endgame couple with flesh offering, vaal haste and quality SRS gem it's very important in order to keep up with clearspeed since your minions actually outrun you even if you run at like 130% movement speed while buffed/flasked.
I did however use lightning coil for a while, however it's so hard to overcap on ele weakness maps, or just curses in general with it. Especially since your jewelry needs so much dex on it, which together with resist rolls and mana regen are both suffixes.

Although pledge is amazing with CoD for most builds, there's just no way to make it work. I have no actual math at all to back up this claim. But I've heard a 6l pledge is roughly 15% less dps than a +3 6link staff without any cast speed. So if you happen to have one lying around you can definitely use it.

Minion instability is useless since your minions have very low amount of life anyway. And they only die to aoe or projectiles since mobs don't aggro on them. This is kind of silly sometimes seeing as it's easier to kill Abaxoth than it is to kill Haast.

Also it's not really my build or anything. I actually just googled different SRS specs, found havoc's theory crafted build list, made some minor changes since they nerfed Witch. Then added some personal preference endgame.

On March 22 2015 21:19 incinerate_ wrote:

Inner Force and alchemist are probably for Atziri runs but I don't know. I played without them on my SRS and was doing fine (till lvl 92 then I got oneshot by Magnus in a shipyard).
Cloak of Defiance: You have to drop haste if you want to use it which is IMO not worth it. Haste gives you cast speed (more spirits), attack speed to your spirits and move speed to both you and your spirits (which is essentially more dps again). It's amazing. SRS is quite expensive anyway so you should go for ES gear either way in order to get sufficient mana regen.

As to pledge of hands +2 levels(or +3) is incredible for SRS scaling I do not think lvl 30 spell echo can make up for that (also I think alot of people use empower in a 6link rather than minion damage, but I don't know about the math behind that particular choice).

Minion Instability will not trigger if the spirits expire only if they drop to low life. Since they will only be attacked by random AOE it's not really worth it IMO. Stuff will die incredibly fast anyway (unless maybe merveil in phase two or something).

Empower 3 is apparently an upgrade over 20/20 minion damage (don't think it's noticeable) Empower 4 is a VERYdecent upgrade over it. However I never bothered with buying either. Didn't want to waste any currency on empower 3, and empower 4 went from 30ex to 40 when I actually had 30. Then no one ever wanted to sell again until it showed up at the end of the league with 80ex b\o :D
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Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
March 22 2015 15:25 GMT
#18083
Helpful stuff, thanks boys. Maybe I'll just use cloak of flame as a ghetto LC before I get my belly, should work well with AA.
AKA No can Dazzle | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlTpX7z3Pok
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Vallelol
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1046 Posts
March 23 2015 08:39 GMT
#18084
What are your builds for the 1 month league? Looking for a cheap attack based build, but couldn't decide yet. Did anyone play Burning Arrow in the last leagues? Wonder if it is any good
iloveav
Profile Joined November 2008
Poland1482 Posts
March 23 2015 09:35 GMT
#18085
I am currently testing a bloodmagic auradin. Takes forever to get it going.
I tried to use it with animate guardian but the damn thing vanishes after I exit the game.
I switched to animate weapon for now, and I have to say im rather happy with how the build does (thou it is mostly a support character).

I have some empowers laying around (softcore standard league) but never got to use them, Will have to test them out later on.
aka LRM)Cats_Paw.
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
March 23 2015 10:17 GMT
#18086
goddamn act4 start already
gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-23 10:27:23
March 23 2015 10:23 GMT
#18087
On March 23 2015 19:17 Probemicro wrote:
goddamn act4 start already

also my thoughts. i hope it will be epic

edit: My new idea for a map mod: All monsters will be replaced by Imperatrix Caliga
・゚✧:・゚+..。✧・゚:・..。 ✧・゚ :・゚ ゜・:・ ✧・゚:・゚:.。 ✧・゚ SPARKULING *・゜・:・゚✧:・゚✧。゚+..。 ✧・゚: ✧・゚:・゜・:・゚✧::・・:・゚・゚
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
March 23 2015 11:20 GMT
#18088
On March 23 2015 17:39 Vallelol wrote:
What are your builds for the 1 month league? Looking for a cheap attack based build, but couldn't decide yet. Did anyone play Burning Arrow in the last leagues? Wonder if it is any good

There was a botw on Burning Arrow trapper:
AKA No can Dazzle | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlTpX7z3Pok
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Vallelol
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1046 Posts
March 23 2015 11:56 GMT
#18089
On March 23 2015 20:20 Alur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2015 17:39 Vallelol wrote:
What are your builds for the 1 month league? Looking for a cheap attack based build, but couldn't decide yet. Did anyone play Burning Arrow in the last leagues? Wonder if it is any good

There was a botw on Burning Arrow trapper:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7HjT3lS3tk


Thanks! Looks pretty great!
Although on second thought, I think I'm not ready for another burning prolif build :D
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
March 23 2015 13:16 GMT
#18090
On March 23 2015 20:56 Vallelol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2015 20:20 Alur wrote:
On March 23 2015 17:39 Vallelol wrote:
What are your builds for the 1 month league? Looking for a cheap attack based build, but couldn't decide yet. Did anyone play Burning Arrow in the last leagues? Wonder if it is any good

There was a botw on Burning Arrow trapper:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7HjT3lS3tk


Thanks! Looks pretty great!
Although on second thought, I think I'm not ready for another burning prolif build :D


well its probably the last time you will experience burn prolif as it is before it gets nerfed to the ground in the next patch, so why not
CrownRoyal
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Vatican City State1872 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-23 13:47:10
March 23 2015 13:45 GMT
#18091
On March 23 2015 18:35 iloveav wrote:
I am currently testing a bloodmagic auradin. Takes forever to get it going.
I tried to use it with animate guardian but the damn thing vanishes after I exit the game.
I switched to animate weapon for now, and I have to say im rather happy with how the build does (thou it is mostly a support character).

I have some empowers laying around (softcore standard league) but never got to use them, Will have to test them out later on.

just use the skill on the ground and he comes back.

you can unequip your item the gems in and it will despawn him to save him as well. Then you can respawn with using the skill again.

You're pretty when I'm drunk.
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
March 23 2015 20:40 GMT
#18092
In case anyone is still looking for a HC group for the 1month, me and one or two friends are gonna be chilling in "The Truth Zone" channel on TL teamspeak (http://www.teamliquid.net/mytlnet/teamspeak.php). I'm probably gonna nolife it for the first few days, but anyone is welcome.
AKA No can Dazzle | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlTpX7z3Pok
TL+ Member
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
March 23 2015 21:24 GMT
#18093
I am still debating if I want to play. If I do I won't be around until Thursday or Friday most likely though.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Uranium
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1077 Posts
March 23 2015 21:44 GMT
#18094
I'm gonna try Probemicro's RF Fire Trap build for the 1month... might as well before fire becomes horrible and frost is new meta. Or (gasp) melee.
"Sentry imba! You see? YOU SEE??!!" - Sen | "Marauder die die!" - oGsMC | "Oh my god, she texted me back!" - Day[9]
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 23 2015 21:45 GMT
#18095
I don't get how they intend on making melee good without CWDT-EC-IC tbh but we'll see
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
March 23 2015 22:32 GMT
#18096
Ill be playing HC when they start. Unfortunately on the 25th I must spend the night at the hospital so will miss an entire night right at the start of the league, but I can spend pretty much all my time in the league if I wanted so shouldnt matter too much. I'll probably hop on the TS Alur when it starts.
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
March 23 2015 22:55 GMT
#18097
On March 24 2015 07:32 Kickstart wrote:
Ill be playing HC when they start. Unfortunately on the 25th I must spend the night at the hospital so will miss an entire night right at the start of the league, but I can spend pretty much all my time in the league if I wanted so shouldnt matter too much. I'll probably hop on the TS Alur when it starts.

Neat, because as it turns out my so called friends might have abandoned me. And I maybe I'll rip so we can start together anyways :D
AKA No can Dazzle | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlTpX7z3Pok
TL+ Member
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
March 23 2015 22:56 GMT
#18098
On March 24 2015 06:45 Sn0_Man wrote:
I don't get how they intend on making melee good without CWDT-EC-IC tbh but we'll see


They're going to add another gem like multistrike that increases the dps of melee, but is even more imbalanced. Then they aren't going to release another gem like spell echo to rebalance things.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 23 2015 22:58 GMT
#18099
ah yes because DPS was always the real issue with melee builds ^.^
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
March 23 2015 23:04 GMT
#18100
On March 24 2015 07:58 Sn0_Man wrote:
ah yes because DPS was always the real issue with melee builds ^.^


People sure seemed to think so when multistrike was added...
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
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