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Varanice
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1517 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-23 20:04:04
October 23 2014 20:01 GMT
#16981
I think I got kinda burnt out on PoE, but yeah, i'm at something like 20x 2nd place finishes, literally. lol
The season rewards for this season look really weak, especially considering that there's only half as many as usual.
Feel free to ask anything you want about racing though.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-23 20:06:03
October 23 2014 20:04 GMT
#16982
I guess.

Volls ammy is really nice, especially alt-art. And a BoR is nothing to sneeze at. Rumi's is a great 250 reward although 250 should require a fair bit of grinding to get this season. Like 500 or 1K points in the short season is likely rather a lot of grinding.

Everything else is preeeeetty much shit.
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semioldguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States7488 Posts
October 23 2014 20:08 GMT
#16983
The new race season rewards, and race types, are rather uninspiring. The length of time for the boss kill races also seems dumb, all of them should be more than do-able in half the time for even a bad racer.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-23 20:13:37
October 23 2014 20:12 GMT
#16984
On October 24 2014 05:08 semioldguy wrote:
The new race season rewards, and race types, are rather uninspiring. The length of time for the boss kill races also seems dumb, all of them should be more than do-able in half the time for even a bad racer.


The upper limit is irrelevant though. They could give you infinite time to complete the race and it wouldn't change the results since you're going for the fastest kill, although you could not like that for the fact that you could run twice or three times if you're good enough. Grind more get better score?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 23 2014 20:13 GMT
#16985
Well we don't really know how the point allocation will work for those races.

But like even a bot could kill brutus in an hour XD
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semioldguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States7488 Posts
October 23 2014 20:23 GMT
#16986
Running it two to three times to get a better score doesn't bother me if you're that into it (I'm not). But if the race is long enough to be able to do it multiple times the time length could be increased. Twelve hours should be long enough that most anyone regardless of timezone should be able to get in at least one run, so why couldn't those races be even longer?

We can't know for sure until the point tiers for those races are revealed. it's exciting they are doing new things, but I don't have much in the manner of hopes for a good implementation.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-23 20:26:35
October 23 2014 20:25 GMT
#16987
On October 24 2014 05:23 semioldguy wrote:
Running it two to three times to get a better score doesn't bother me if you're that into it (I'm not). But if the race is long enough to be able to do it multiple times the time length could be increased. Twelve hours should be long enough that most anyone regardless of timezone should be able to get in at least one run, so why couldn't those races be even longer?

We can't know for sure until the point tiers for those races are revealed. it's exciting they are doing new things, but I don't have much in the manner of hopes for a good implementation.


I've always wondered why GGG doesn't just have one race a day open for twenty four hours best score instead of their system so ^_^
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8695 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-23 20:34:06
October 23 2014 20:31 GMT
#16988
On October 24 2014 05:12 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2014 05:08 semioldguy wrote:
The new race season rewards, and race types, are rather uninspiring. The length of time for the boss kill races also seems dumb, all of them should be more than do-able in half the time for even a bad racer.


The upper limit is irrelevant though. They could give you infinite time to complete the race and it wouldn't change the results since you're going for the fastest kill, although you could not like that for the fact that you could run twice or three times if you're good enough. Grind more get better score?


Well, only with multiple accounts. So if you are trying to go for two Bringer's/Voll's then sure, doesn't bother me. That is if the time resets for every char you create. (see below for more.


On October 24 2014 05:13 Sn0_Man wrote:
Well we don't really know how the point allocation will work for those races.

But like even a bot could kill brutus in an hour XD


This. I can see them changing the point brackets.

On October 24 2014 05:23 semioldguy wrote:
Running it two to three times to get a better score doesn't bother me if you're that into it (I'm not). But if the race is long enough to be able to do it multiple times the time length could be increased. Twelve hours should be long enough that most anyone regardless of timezone should be able to get in at least one run, so why couldn't those races be even longer?

We can't know for sure until the point tiers for those races are revealed. it's exciting they are doing new things, but I don't have much in the manner of hopes for a good implementation.


I guess the timer starts with the race start and not when your char is joining. So if your char is joing 1 hour late and kills brutus in 15 minutes you will have a 1:15 hour kill time. They just put the limit somewhere "save", so that it can be assured that everyone is able to complete the event regardless.

On October 24 2014 05:25 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2014 05:23 semioldguy wrote:
Running it two to three times to get a better score doesn't bother me if you're that into it (I'm not). But if the race is long enough to be able to do it multiple times the time length could be increased. Twelve hours should be long enough that most anyone regardless of timezone should be able to get in at least one run, so why couldn't those races be even longer?

We can't know for sure until the point tiers for those races are revealed. it's exciting they are doing new things, but I don't have much in the manner of hopes for a good implementation.


I've always wondered why GGG doesn't just have one race a day open for twenty four hours best score instead of their system so ^_^


Well, a lot of racers like to have the competetion right now. Having people sprint right at your sight with you. It's certainly different then racing on your own against the clock. I would like to have some of those kind of races you mentioned, though.
semioldguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States7488 Posts
October 23 2014 20:38 GMT
#16989
If there is enough time to kill the boss twice what would stop people from doing the same race on multiple accounts? It's not explicitly against the current rules (which many would have issue with). My roommate and I both play and race. If we do these races at different times so that we can watch and learn/help each other how can that be differentiated between the same person running the race on two different accounts?
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
October 23 2014 20:42 GMT
#16990
Lately I haven't been playing PoE very much... at most I did the daily master quests, but not even them every day. Dunno, not even this patch made me wanna play again.

The races could have made me pumped to play again, and I will likely join in some of them. But the rewards blow very hard. Not a big motivation booster.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
October 23 2014 20:45 GMT
#16991
When I wrote that I meant that you could get another attempt on the same account. For instance, lets say you're pushing too hard and die. In any other race you'd have absolutely no chance at winning, but if the timer is based on your character creation then you can just try again. If this isn't how it works then I'll be very disappointed.

Is doing it on multiple accounts a problem? If a limited number of attempts per event existed I would agree, but if you want to grind multiple alt art items then that is your business. I'm sure people already run races on multiple accounts to get the easy breakpoint on all of them.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-23 20:48:31
October 23 2014 20:47 GMT
#16992
The masters didn't really impress me either. Like, grinding a character to level 90 and never turning down a master that I came across, while doing a few in groups and most of my dailies, and I have one master above halfway to level 7... :/

Plus level 7 doesn't offer much for most masters and level 8 is simply utterly unreachable without grinding shitty missions that are wildly repetitive, offer awful XP and item/currency rewards, and are in general made unecessarily un-fun. Returning to the masters, for example, serves no purpose other than to make you run across half the level or more.


Poe's such a great base game.
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8695 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-23 20:57:05
October 23 2014 20:55 GMT
#16993
On October 24 2014 05:38 semioldguy wrote:
If there is enough time to kill the boss twice what would stop people from doing the same race on multiple accounts? It's not explicitly against the current rules (which many would have issue with). My roommate and I both play and race. If we do these races at different times so that we can watch and learn/help each other how can that be differentiated between the same person running the race on two different accounts?


Did you even read my post? It's not against the rules to do it on multiple accounts so that might work and I don't think that would be an issue. But if the race timer only starts in the beginning then you have not only no chances of winning with your second/third etc. account but probably won't get any points/lowest bracket. We don't know how it works right now.


On October 24 2014 05:45 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
When I wrote that I meant that you could get another attempt on the same account. For instance, lets say you're pushing too hard and die. In any other race you'd have absolutely no chance at winning, but if the timer is based on your character creation then you can just try again. If this isn't how it works then I'll be very disappointed.

Is doing it on multiple accounts a problem? If a limited number of attempts per event existed I would agree, but if you want to grind multiple alt art items then that is your business. I'm sure people already run races on multiple accounts to get the easy breakpoint on all of them.


Again, multiple accounts is not a problem. On the same account I personally see the problem that one could try and race one char, delivers a good time, creates the next char, races, creates the next char and so forth to get the best possible time due to more attempts. That is, if the timer is based on the char creation. That's why I personally don't see it coming this way. But I may be wrong.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-23 21:11:51
October 23 2014 21:09 GMT
#16994
On October 24 2014 05:47 Sn0_Man wrote:
The masters didn't really impress me either. Like, grinding a character to level 90 and never turning down a master that I came across, while doing a few in groups and most of my dailies, and I have one master above halfway to level 7... :/

Plus level 7 doesn't offer much for most masters and level 8 is simply utterly unreachable without grinding shitty missions that are wildly repetitive, offer awful XP and item/currency rewards, and are in general made unecessarily un-fun. Returning to the masters, for example, serves no purpose other than to make you run across half the level or more.


Poe's such a great base game.

Level 6 masters are nice to have, else I agree. But still far better than Sacrifice of the Vaal. I don't remember having done anything of that mod. Didn't kill Atziri (too bothersome, didn't wanna do a spell block build and especially not on HC which I've played lately) and the corrupted zones get ignored almost always. Vaaling items is not something I have made good experience with either. I only use Vaal Orbs on the Jewelcrafter boxes, that's it.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-23 21:20:44
October 23 2014 21:18 GMT
#16995
I like vaal orbs tbh. Throwing them at Haste/Discipline gems is kinda nice and they let common but useful uniques distinguish themselves (cough stone of lazhwar).

I like the existence of atziri farming and I'd do it on hardcore if I ever got a char that high.

I'll admit that expansion didn't really do much for me either when it came out (I don't think I got a char above level 70 those leagues).
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-23 21:52:49
October 23 2014 21:52 GMT
#16996
On October 24 2014 05:55 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2014 05:38 semioldguy wrote:
If there is enough time to kill the boss twice what would stop people from doing the same race on multiple accounts? It's not explicitly against the current rules (which many would have issue with). My roommate and I both play and race. If we do these races at different times so that we can watch and learn/help each other how can that be differentiated between the same person running the race on two different accounts?


Did you even read my post? It's not against the rules to do it on multiple accounts so that might work and I don't think that would be an issue. But if the race timer only starts in the beginning then you have not only no chances of winning with your second/third etc. account but probably won't get any points/lowest bracket. We don't know how it works right now.


Show nested quote +
On October 24 2014 05:45 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
When I wrote that I meant that you could get another attempt on the same account. For instance, lets say you're pushing too hard and die. In any other race you'd have absolutely no chance at winning, but if the timer is based on your character creation then you can just try again. If this isn't how it works then I'll be very disappointed.

Is doing it on multiple accounts a problem? If a limited number of attempts per event existed I would agree, but if you want to grind multiple alt art items then that is your business. I'm sure people already run races on multiple accounts to get the easy breakpoint on all of them.


Again, multiple accounts is not a problem. On the same account I personally see the problem that one could try and race one char, delivers a good time, creates the next char, races, creates the next char and so forth to get the best possible time due to more attempts. That is, if the timer is based on the char creation. That's why I personally don't see it coming this way. But I may be wrong.


If these are party races then it can't work the way I imagine. The winner would just be able to party and TP immediately to the nests, brutus, and then merveil to get the fastest kills ever.

On October 24 2014 06:09 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2014 05:47 Sn0_Man wrote:
The masters didn't really impress me either. Like, grinding a character to level 90 and never turning down a master that I came across, while doing a few in groups and most of my dailies, and I have one master above halfway to level 7... :/

Plus level 7 doesn't offer much for most masters and level 8 is simply utterly unreachable without grinding shitty missions that are wildly repetitive, offer awful XP and item/currency rewards, and are in general made unecessarily un-fun. Returning to the masters, for example, serves no purpose other than to make you run across half the level or more.


Poe's such a great base game.

Level 6 masters are nice to have, else I agree. But still far better than Sacrifice of the Vaal. I don't remember having done anything of that mod. Didn't kill Atziri (too bothersome, didn't wanna do a spell block build and especially not on HC which I've played lately) and the corrupted zones get ignored almost always. Vaaling items is not something I have made good experience with either. I only use Vaal Orbs on the Jewelcrafter boxes, that's it.


Sacrifice of the Vaal sucked because of invasion league tuning.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8695 Posts
October 23 2014 21:56 GMT
#16997
On October 24 2014 06:52 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2014 05:55 Miragee wrote:
On October 24 2014 05:38 semioldguy wrote:
If there is enough time to kill the boss twice what would stop people from doing the same race on multiple accounts? It's not explicitly against the current rules (which many would have issue with). My roommate and I both play and race. If we do these races at different times so that we can watch and learn/help each other how can that be differentiated between the same person running the race on two different accounts?


Did you even read my post? It's not against the rules to do it on multiple accounts so that might work and I don't think that would be an issue. But if the race timer only starts in the beginning then you have not only no chances of winning with your second/third etc. account but probably won't get any points/lowest bracket. We don't know how it works right now.


On October 24 2014 05:45 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
When I wrote that I meant that you could get another attempt on the same account. For instance, lets say you're pushing too hard and die. In any other race you'd have absolutely no chance at winning, but if the timer is based on your character creation then you can just try again. If this isn't how it works then I'll be very disappointed.

Is doing it on multiple accounts a problem? If a limited number of attempts per event existed I would agree, but if you want to grind multiple alt art items then that is your business. I'm sure people already run races on multiple accounts to get the easy breakpoint on all of them.


Again, multiple accounts is not a problem. On the same account I personally see the problem that one could try and race one char, delivers a good time, creates the next char, races, creates the next char and so forth to get the best possible time due to more attempts. That is, if the timer is based on the char creation. That's why I personally don't see it coming this way. But I may be wrong.


If these are party races then it can't work the way I imagine. The winner would just be able to party and TP immediately to the nests, brutus, and then merveil to get the fastest kills ever.


They could just freeze your character after killing the boss. I don't think that would be much of a problem.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 23 2014 21:57 GMT
#16998
I wonder if lightning tendrils will have any effect on racing.

My gut says no it's too useless but who knows.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-23 22:03:31
October 23 2014 22:01 GMT
#16999
On October 24 2014 06:56 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2014 06:52 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On October 24 2014 05:55 Miragee wrote:
On October 24 2014 05:38 semioldguy wrote:
If there is enough time to kill the boss twice what would stop people from doing the same race on multiple accounts? It's not explicitly against the current rules (which many would have issue with). My roommate and I both play and race. If we do these races at different times so that we can watch and learn/help each other how can that be differentiated between the same person running the race on two different accounts?


Did you even read my post? It's not against the rules to do it on multiple accounts so that might work and I don't think that would be an issue. But if the race timer only starts in the beginning then you have not only no chances of winning with your second/third etc. account but probably won't get any points/lowest bracket. We don't know how it works right now.


On October 24 2014 05:45 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
When I wrote that I meant that you could get another attempt on the same account. For instance, lets say you're pushing too hard and die. In any other race you'd have absolutely no chance at winning, but if the timer is based on your character creation then you can just try again. If this isn't how it works then I'll be very disappointed.

Is doing it on multiple accounts a problem? If a limited number of attempts per event existed I would agree, but if you want to grind multiple alt art items then that is your business. I'm sure people already run races on multiple accounts to get the easy breakpoint on all of them.


Again, multiple accounts is not a problem. On the same account I personally see the problem that one could try and race one char, delivers a good time, creates the next char, races, creates the next char and so forth to get the best possible time due to more attempts. That is, if the timer is based on the char creation. That's why I personally don't see it coming this way. But I may be wrong.


If these are party races then it can't work the way I imagine. The winner would just be able to party and TP immediately to the nests, brutus, and then merveil to get the fastest kills ever.


They could just freeze your character after killing the boss. I don't think that would be much of a problem.


Say we have a team of four people (A, B, C, D). A runs to merveil and sets up a TP at the boss. B runs to brutus and sets up a TP at the boss. C runs to mud flats and sets up a TP. Now D creates a character with a fresh timer and kills merveil in record speed because every skippable portion is skipped.

The more I think about it the way I want it to work doesn't make sense If partying is allowed then the timer has to be from race start rather than character creation.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3457 Posts
October 23 2014 23:34 GMT
#17000
I think all the boss kill race is solo would be my guess. Since there is another category for normal party race, and since there is no extra mod this season, there would be 0 difference if the boss kill is a party one.
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