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On March 12 2014 06:58 Tennet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2014 06:47 Sn0_Man wrote:
Alright ur build needs mega help lol.
Dump the resistance with shield nodes they r ass
Get the weapon artistry node in ranger its godly
Get diamond skin its godly
Lots of pathing things that I'm certain are inefficent but I'll have to plot out a fixed route to properly say.
also how r u doing damage? EK still?
Bet IR is good considering the armor nodes you have. Bet ondar's guile is ass considering the amount of block you already have. Bet you can't evade EK reflect too.
What shield are you using? Are you attempting to get spell block in any manner as well?
Etc.
I'd tell u to be BM but then u can't run hatred which sux. Yeah, thanks.. lol. I don't know what I'm doing anymore. I'm going EK with this. Yeah, I can't evade spell reflect.. I can evade other stuff though, I think evade is calculated after block so I was just trying to get all that good stuff to happen. IR could be good, could be bad.. would have to math of exile or something. I'm not fully sure what shield I should use but something good? I planned on getting a Stone of Lazhwar. Though does that mean only half of my block chance is applied to spell chance? Is 75% the max for both attack and spell block?
The anvil increases it, but that is the maximum yes (and it is an amulet so you can't use it and Stone of Lazhwar).
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So, I assume I need to use a combination of uniques and passives to get 75% for both block? I'd rather use Stone of Lazhwar than the anvil. I'll post a better build later since I am going to be doing other stuff for a bit. But I did make some improvements.
It makes me a little sad that I keep planning a build that is better as not templar.. oh well.
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Capping block isn't completely necessary. You should also consider the opportunity cost of how you got there.
Do you really hate pants that much that you have to be a templar?
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Well for a few years in high school i wore shorts all year round even in the winter.. So I guess I hate pants.. Though maybe it's just that I've liked templar since I started playing in '12..
I do have a templar named NoPantsOrGoHome..
It doesn't really matter.. I'm just holding on to OB templar too much I guess.
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This is just silly. I can't tell if the game hates or loves me. The league where my work schedule only lets me play barely two days a week and I have the best drop luck of my poe career. 5L 55% spell 22% fire damage staff, an exalt, and ten total vaal/chaos orbs before level 50. Curse you real life!
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I'm building an elemental weapon damage Scion and a Freeze/crit spectral throw Shadow at the moment.
With the Scion I'm thinking I'll go for general defence and elemental weapon damage nodes, for now just using ranged or melee as I see fit.
The Shadow is going quite well, I'm at 28% crit already (level 2X), and it feels very steamroll except against bosses.
Still only playing as if single player, I don't know if I'll ever be ready for multiplayer considering I already find desync a nuisance.
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This is still very weird. You have quite a number of life and block yes, but 0 spell dmg, so EK dmg might turn out to be crap. Iron will won't make up for that. Also you take a lot of physical dmg node.
May I suggest the Scion start. Comparable life and block ( also give the option of 4% additional block with the next 2 points), but a metric-ton more dmg. This is because after the patch, Mara start sucks ball in term of efficiency,
Or Shadow. Same result, slightly less block, slightly less dmg than scion version but more life.
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I think you are at 43% block there which means you need 32% on a shield to cap, or else a block stone of lazhwar or tempest shield.
Are you going to use BM in your EK links? I think you are going to have to since that will allow you tempest shield (!) and hatred (!) and a 40% until you opt for some reduced reserved mana which should give you 2 60's and a temp shield.
I don't like the very end of your ranger tree (proj mastery and revenge of the hunted or w/e), whereas I do like troll's blood, purity of flesh and elemental adaptation. Also don't like leather and steel too much. Ur also touching the bloodless life cluster which is very meh but since ur touching it it's worth grabbing.
Lastly, you are very near 2 frenzy charges and if you ran the blood dance or blood rage you could have 6 frenzy charges for a ton of cast speed (maybe not necessary but seems like a good way to boost the DPS on a build that might be pretty lacking in that department). That's more something I'd consider organically as the character got into the 70s and started needing more DPS for maps.
Passive Tree with my recommended changes for convenience
I've never actually built a max block build or anything though so... 
PPS this build would be so good with rathpith globe too bad you can't use the ES on it at all.
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On March 12 2014 23:41 Sn0_Man wrote:I think you are at 43% block there which means you need 32% on a shield to cap, or else a block stone of lazhwar or tempest shield. Are you going to use BM in your EK links? I think you are going to have to since that will allow you tempest shield (!) and hatred (!) and a 40% until you opt for some reduced reserved mana which should give you 2 60's and a temp shield. I don't like the very end of your ranger tree (proj mastery and revenge of the hunted or w/e), whereas I do like troll's blood, purity of flesh and elemental adaptation. Also don't like leather and steel too much. Ur also touching the bloodless life cluster which is very meh but since ur touching it it's worth grabbing. Lastly, you are very near 2 frenzy charges and if you ran the blood dance or blood rage you could have 6 frenzy charges for a ton of cast speed (maybe not necessary but seems like a good way to boost the DPS on a build that might be pretty lacking in that department). That's more something I'd consider organically as the character got into the 70s and started needing more DPS for maps. Passive Tree with my recommended changes for convenienceI've never actually built a max block build or anything though so... PPS this build would be so good with rathpith globe too bad you can't use the ES on it at all.
I just realize from your tree that Mara start sucks balls atm. The Shadow start I made have comparable, slightly less life and block but a lot more dmg. Even for physical build I can made from duelist and achieve the same results with less points. Main lesson is don't roll Marauder lol. Ele is superior at Templar, Melee is superior at Duelist and Spell is superior at Scion or Shadow. Mara got nothing.
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I will be forced to use a BM gem, so yes. I would prefer that anyways so I can run a ton of auras.
Projectile speed is great on EK, which is why I got it, but I can just use the gem or if i'm lucky, mods on gear. Good points, looking at things again, I do agree.
Oh man, I didn't even think about that.. Frenzy charges + damage from gear should help with some of EK's shortcomings.
Wow, that shield is amazing! Too bad it would probably cost me an arm and a leg to get it.
Block builds need to be able to live when block doesn't happen so that's something to keep in mind.
Thanks for the input vndestiny, but I like the marauder start the most because of mitigation and survivibility. =)
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Well, if you get to 75% spellblock then its less relevant but still, having armor against EK reflect is very good which is why the marauder start is "appealing" though vndestiny could be right regarding it sucking ass. Don't forget that all the Str travel nodes add up to like 175 base life which isn't half bad.
PS iron will is gonna be somewhere from 80-100+% Spell Damage so thats not too bad (at the cost of a link).
Yeah I know why ballistic mastery is good but Im not convinced it's worth the 3 points
Rathpith globe is like an exalt or so iirc? Might be much higher in invasion atm not sure.
Edit: Who plans on playing cut-throat? Sounds awesome :D
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The awkward issue with EK is simply that if you deal enough damage to be relevant compared to similar builds in parties you run the risk of killing yourself against reflect. On top of that it has a weak damage projection (similar to e.g. FP) meaning you need to be close to immediate danger yourself.
If you wanna solo with this or just do 2-3 men parties, all good. Otherwise I'd rethink the general plan itself. =P
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75% Spell block and marauder armour-centric start (he's probably at like 70% increased armor rating plus IR?) seriously mitigate the reflect issue (also cwdt immortal call if necessary). Getting to the damage level where its actually an issue is probably the weakness of the build.
Yeah the damage projection is ass but he's got 75% block and likely similar spellblock and a reasonable HP percent so I don't think he's incapable of surviving with his low range.
But yeah EK's damage isn't really that spectacular 
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Well, ummm theres a lot of things here.
tell you waht: just try this tree instead:
Strictly better tree
Note that ur still not doing any damage, and that blocking doesn't proc molten shell afaik so ur not getting many molten shell booms. Also resolute technique seems bad unless ur hitting people, in which case u need some weapon nodes.
Also ur ele damage nodes are bad because as previously mentioned ur not doing any damage with tempest shield or molten shell. Also start marauder.
Also why do you have exactly one endurance charge when ur right next to all of them? I just noticed that.
If you are generating them reliably, then grab all 3 and go ham. If you aren't generating them, then don't grab the one in doolist.
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Well this is worht a try
I'm starting new on the invasion league. Was wondering if anyone has a spare arctic armour/clarity/lightning trap. Also how do I apply to join the TL guild (unless too noob)
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Nice.
What other options is there for damage when doing a max block build, as any class? I shouldn't be stubborn and tie myself to marauder if there is a better class/damage source.. =)
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