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Guild invites: Message any of EvoSenseOfPride, ScionViableORly, neophyteWham, TheTouchOfGOLD in game
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Private league ladder (finished): https://www.pathofexile.com/private-leagues/league/TeamLiquid and friends
zdfgucker
Profile Joined August 2011
China594 Posts
October 24 2013 16:13 GMT
#10501
Leveling is a pain in the arse. Hate it so much.. I played cleave in the beginning (1-25) and then didn't find any decent weapons. Then found a 5L and geofris baptism, played that till 39.. and now? I try playing as FP but my gem is low level. Since I'm not skilling for FP or any melee build, I find myself lagging behind more and more, right now I'm 42.

How I wished I could skip level 1 to 68 and simply play endgame content. That's why I never played a single race, both because I'm bad and because it's shitty.
fLDm
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 24 2013 16:18 GMT
#10502
with a 5l and a baptism you should be good through level 50 or so lol. Ground Slam w/ Melee phys, added fire, life leech, blood magic and you can even run probably 2 auras with reduced mana. Or do spectral throw with added fire, LMP, life leech, blood magic. Or who knows what else. baptism facerolls that content esp with a 5L.

But yes, Levelling is like my least favourite thing.
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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
October 24 2013 16:19 GMT
#10503
And another stash tab and +10 members for the guild because Mr. Mango is awesome!

Any suggestions on how we want to organize tabs? Name them after donators? Use e.g. one for levelling gear, one for free skillgems and one for... I don't know. I'm awful at organizing stashes. They can be customized for each individual league, so feel free to make suggestions.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 24 2013 16:22 GMT
#10504
I wonder if faster projectile speed will actually decrease spectral throw damage. If so I need to reroll my scion.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 16:30:17
October 24 2013 16:28 GMT
#10505
On October 25 2013 01:22 Sufficiency wrote:
I wonder if faster projectile speed will actually decrease spectral throw damage. If so I need to reroll my scion.

I think that it will reduce damage to some targets in exchange for a larger AoE. It will also move your damage "sweet spot" farther away since I believe you will hit monsters the most times at the farthest extent of your throw (where your weapon "stops" briefly).
On October 25 2013 01:19 r.Evo wrote:
And another stash tab and +10 members for the guild because Mr. Mango is awesome!

Any suggestions on how we want to organize tabs? Name them after donators? Use e.g. one for levelling gear, one for free skillgems and one for... I don't know. I'm awful at organizing stashes. They can be customized for each individual league, so feel free to make suggestions.

When I checked the guild stash in domination there weren't any tabs I was kinda confused. However in nemesis they were there. I dunno how that interacts.

Yeah a "free gems" tab sounds like a good idea although I hope people bother keeping it in some sort of order cuz gem tabs are so annoying to go through .
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zdfgucker
Profile Joined August 2011
China594 Posts
October 24 2013 16:50 GMT
#10506
On October 25 2013 01:18 Sn0_Man wrote:
with a 5l and a baptism you should be good through level 50 or so lol. Ground Slam w/ Melee phys, added fire, life leech, blood magic and you can even run probably 2 auras with reduced mana. Or do spectral throw with added fire, LMP, life leech, blood magic. Or who knows what else. baptism facerolls that content esp with a 5L.

But yes, Levelling is like my least favourite thing.


Good point. I tried inf blow and well, cleave doesn't work with maces. Oh well, I found out today that my build can still be played as templar, prolly a bit better than Scion, so I'll reroll.
fLDm
Tennet
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1458 Posts
October 24 2013 17:03 GMT
#10507
I don't really play much anymore, although with 1.0 I will be playing. If you guys want I'll donate a tab or member slots.
"The harder it gets, the more you need to focus on the basics." - Seo Gyung Jong
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 17:19:58
October 24 2013 17:19 GMT
#10508
Do you guys think the following Bow-Ranger build is OK? Never played one before... dunno if criticals are worth it with bows but the nodes looked so tempting. I intend to use Frenzy / Split-Arrow or Ice Shot (dunno yet)! Making a 2nd char cuz I'm gonna play it in a Duo with another guy. link
Onekobold
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
244 Posts
October 24 2013 17:26 GMT
#10509
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FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
October 24 2013 17:29 GMT
#10510
Most people are playing in Domination right now I think, there are some people around in Nemesis, too.
Kevmeister @ Dota2
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 24 2013 17:30 GMT
#10511
LA crit bow builds were very good but with the aura changes and tree changes I think the build is harder to run now. Or at least, my friend who was building one said that with the reset it takes him like 17 more points to get essentially the same build

Note that bows all have 5% base crit chance so you are never gonna get the kind of crazy crit build you can make with wanders (though obviously good bows are much easier to come by).

Frenzy is standard for single target but AFAIK split arrow is just worse than rain of arrows and ice shot simply isn't very good lol. I'm sure you can make something work though
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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
October 24 2013 17:36 GMT
#10512
On October 25 2013 01:28 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2013 01:22 Sufficiency wrote:
I wonder if faster projectile speed will actually decrease spectral throw damage. If so I need to reroll my scion.

I think that it will reduce damage to some targets in exchange for a larger AoE. It will also move your damage "sweet spot" farther away since I believe you will hit monsters the most times at the farthest extent of your throw (where your weapon "stops" briefly).
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2013 01:19 r.Evo wrote:
And another stash tab and +10 members for the guild because Mr. Mango is awesome!

Any suggestions on how we want to organize tabs? Name them after donators? Use e.g. one for levelling gear, one for free skillgems and one for... I don't know. I'm awful at organizing stashes. They can be customized for each individual league, so feel free to make suggestions.

When I checked the guild stash in domination there weren't any tabs I was kinda confused. However in nemesis they were there. I dunno how that interacts.

Yeah a "free gems" tab sounds like a good idea although I hope people bother keeping it in some sort of order cuz gem tabs are so annoying to go through .

It should be visible for all Leagues now, unless I missed something. I need to make changes for every League manually because GGG hates organization. Yell if it still doesn't work!
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 17:41:38
October 24 2013 17:37 GMT
#10513
On October 25 2013 02:30 Sn0_Man wrote:
LA crit bow builds were very good but with the aura changes and tree changes I think the build is harder to run now. Or at least, my friend who was building one said that with the reset it takes him like 17 more points to get essentially the same build

Note that bows all have 5% base crit chance so you are never gonna get the kind of crazy crit build you can make with wanders (though obviously good bows are much easier to come by).

Frenzy is standard for single target but AFAIK split arrow is just worse than rain of arrows and ice shot simply isn't very good lol. I'm sure you can make something work though

I know the base is kinda low... So should I completely (or almost completely) skip crit? Anyway, I've read different things about Ice Shot, idk. Some crit might be nice if I go Iceshot, as that'll make them freeze.

A non crit version of the upper build I posted would be like this: link

Thanks for your help, btw!
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 24 2013 17:46 GMT
#10514
AFAIK crit is mostly worth it when you *need* the elemental status debuff that it provides (most popularly shock stacks). Burn damage is often triggerable without crits simply by using chance to ignite etc, and freeze is good but its usually more important in melee situations (freezing enemies a long way away has limited applications unless they are like rhoas or somethign).

Crit is definitely somewhat of an "all or nothing" plan since +100% cc or +100% cd aren't very useful by themselves but put them together and stuff starts happening.

Also note that when running a crit-based build you need to give consideration to how your character interacts with worst-case scenario double-reflect packs. Even in softcore dying to stuff like that ruins your day.
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 17:49:04
October 24 2013 17:48 GMT
#10515
On October 25 2013 02:46 Sn0_Man wrote:
AFAIK crit is mostly worth it when you *need* the elemental status debuff that it provides (most popularly shock stacks). Burn damage is often triggerable without crits simply by using chance to ignite etc, and freeze is good but its usually more important in melee situations (freezing enemies a long way away has limited applications unless they are like rhoas or somethign).

Crit is definitely somewhat of an "all or nothing" plan since +100% cc or +100% cd aren't very useful by themselves but put them together and stuff starts happening.

Also note that when running a crit-based build you need to give consideration to how your character interacts with worst-case scenario double-reflect packs. Even in softcore dying to stuff like that ruins your day.

Yup, what you wrote sounds reasonable. I think I'll go with the physical "non" crit build above, it also looks like it will do more constant damage.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 24 2013 17:53 GMT
#10516
I think you will be more efficient starting as either duelist or scion for that build. I think you took wayyyyy too many points into evasion rating although I'll admit I don't have too much experience with end-game evasion based characters. You also want both frenzy charges that you are very near since that will seriously multiply your single-target DPS. PS acrobatics looks like a free 30% dodge if you wanna grab that since you wont be using armor/es at all.

Try and avoid 3% attackspeed nodes they are just kinda bad. Better than +10stat nodes I guess but not by very much.

At some point you gotta just make the build tho and forget the theorycraft. Regret orbs exist for a reason
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
October 24 2013 18:00 GMT
#10517
On October 25 2013 02:53 Sn0_Man wrote:
I think you will be more efficient starting as either duelist or scion for that build. I think you took wayyyyy too many points into evasion rating although I'll admit I don't have too much experience with end-game evasion based characters. You also want both frenzy charges that you are very near since that will seriously multiply your single-target DPS. PS acrobatics looks like a free 30% dodge if you wanna grab that since you wont be using armor/es at all.

Try and avoid 3% attackspeed nodes they are just kinda bad. Better than +10stat nodes I guess but not by very much.

At some point you gotta just make the build tho and forget the theorycraft. Regret orbs exist for a reason

Haha yeah, though I think you're right once again... Thanks for your help!
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 18:06:20
October 24 2013 18:04 GMT
#10518
On October 25 2013 00:58 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2013 22:37 r.Evo wrote:
On October 24 2013 21:12 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On October 24 2013 14:27 r.Evo wrote:
On October 24 2013 14:26 EchelonTee wrote:
are nemesis mods so far considered fun/good/interesting or unfair? b/c shrines are quite awesome, much better than the rogue exiles simply because they come up much more often

Fractured can be incredibly bullshit (If I ever see that with an Alchemist ima just run). Volatile bursts for a lot as well if you have low resists.

The others are mostly fun/cool imo.

QFT. Esc --> main menu was the only way to survive all the new spawn discharger mobs in the market sewers. I had killed 2 or so of them with my return spectral weapon "bullets" and then the rest discharged -___-. Without max light resi no way one can survive.

Edit: Just died in the tower with lvl37/1500hp on nemesis. Anyone knows what kind of dmg Caliga Imperatrix deals? I only saw a lot of effects and then the resurrect button.

+ Show Spoiler +
Is that the Lightning multitrap guy on a low tower level?

We tried fighting it but skipped it after realizing he can prolly oneshot our weaker guys at 1.2k hp / 60ish% lightning resist if he ever gets an unlucky trap combo off. No clue how to fight that bullshit, dude was worse than Kole.

Yeah, that bitch :D. I would like to know how to solo it without dying. Maybe Skellie totem?

Its crazy, cause all other things until then are not really dangerous. Sometimes i regret my repulsion to softcore :D.


+ Show Spoiler +
Well I was only having damage troubles when the traps got stacked up too much (and I think this was more being careful than actually in danger of dying; I should have been able to pot up before the next round of detonations). The boss has multitrap so it throws three lightning traps. If you set one off while it is throwing the next set then it looked like all of them would detonate instead of despawning the originals which means you're eating six lightning traps all at once ^_^ I had 1.3k health and 77% lightning resist though so me melting is a huge liability for the more squishy party members.

He also ran away every time I would close on him making it pretty much impossible to DPS as a melee. I don't think skelly totem is going to help much because you either don't want to set off the traps or be far enough away that the lightning projectiles will split far enough for there to be dead space you can dodge into. Random skeletons are just going to set them off at bad angles.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Onekobold
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
244 Posts
October 24 2013 18:10 GMT
#10519
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 18:30:39
October 24 2013 18:17 GMT
#10520
On October 25 2013 02:46 Sn0_Man wrote:
AFAIK crit is mostly worth it when you *need* the elemental status debuff that it provides (most popularly shock stacks). Burn damage is often triggerable without crits simply by using chance to ignite etc, and freeze is good but its usually more important in melee situations (freezing enemies a long way away has limited applications unless they are like rhoas or somethign).

Crit is definitely somewhat of an "all or nothing" plan since +100% cc or +100% cd aren't very useful by themselves but put them together and stuff starts happening.

Also note that when running a crit-based build you need to give consideration to how your character interacts with worst-case scenario double-reflect packs. Even in softcore dying to stuff like that ruins your day.


Most LA builds just utilized static blows to get shock stacks because crit is bad stat when your base crit chance is 5%. I'm not sure it is possible to get over there anymore though, but LA builds died out pretty long ago anyway. People started playing RoA and Explosive Arrow instead of LA after the change to life on hit to be reduced by damage effectiveness. With lightning arrow not having infinite life on hit anymore it wasn't nearly as strong or safe.

On October 25 2013 03:10 Onekobold wrote:
who should I message/add in order to be added to the guild?


Message one of these fine gentlemen:

rEvolutionTU
AinSophAur
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I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
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