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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
February 21 2013 21:36 GMT
#6561
My biggest trepidation with evasion is that I'm not sure it offsets the lack of damage reduc, as I've heard stories of people with massive armor being one-shot by terrible luck of running into like a massively increase crit damage + phys damage rare.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8036 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-21 21:45:32
February 21 2013 21:37 GMT
#6562
On February 22 2013 06:23 Archers_bane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2013 05:44 Spazer wrote:
On February 21 2013 16:38 Archers_bane wrote:
On February 21 2013 15:20 travis wrote:
does eye of chayula kill you if you use CI ?


No it doesnt!


I think I found a bug, the perandus blazon belt (+20% flask duration) doesn't work on quicksilvers/granites. Not sure if its working as intended, but I dont see why not?

Also, since I got the minus ES cooldown nodes which gave me +EV% rating, I think I am going to hybrid it up as my frost witch and get all EV/ES gear. Is it every 100 EV = 1% chance to dodge?

Evade % isn't constant throughout the game. The amount of evasion you'll need to achieve, say, a 50% evade rate on the character stat page will increase as the level of mobs increases. So you can't conclusively say that 100 EV = 1% chance to dodge or anything like that.

Also bear in mind that some mobs have better accuracy than others, so the number shown on the stat page can be quite misleading. For example, you might have 50% evade against trash mobs, but against bosses, you might have something like 35%.

Is evasion really bad in late game then since the mobs have higher chance to hit? I haven't spent much currency on hybrid Ev/Es gear yet, so I can still take some advice if I should just focus on ES rather than hybrid

As long as you keep getting better gear, you can maintain the same evade rate. It's the exact same thing with armor - not having high enough values means you're probably gonna get murdered. There is an argument that evade builds get destroyed by reflect mobs though.

In any case, having a good hp/es pool is the best way to mitigate damage in the game, and stacking more never really hurts.

On February 22 2013 06:36 Southlight wrote:
My biggest trepidation with evasion is that I'm not sure it offsets the lack of damage reduc, as I've heard stories of people with massive armor being one-shot by terrible luck of running into like a massively increase crit damage + phys damage rare.

The argument there is that you'd get oneshot with armor anyways since damage reduction from armor falls off with increasing damage. Hence why life is always stressed.

I would say that armor synergizes better with endurance charges and granite flasks though in comparison to the evasion equivalents.
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Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
February 21 2013 21:41 GMT
#6563
Also, enfeeble can serve as a crutch for builds that lack EV, but there is no offensive spell/curse in the game that can serve as a crutch for builds that lack HP/ES. You'll just straight up die in those cases. Always go for more HP/ES, imo.
radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-21 22:29:13
February 21 2013 21:42 GMT
#6564
On February 22 2013 03:20 Odoakar wrote:
For people looking to take part in races, this is a good guide on how and what to do:


That is a very good guide. Unfortunately most of his theory crafting is less valuable: About level 4 on The Ledge (it has been changed to level 7 instead of 8 so you only truely need level 3!), advantage to taking Flooded Depths (there was a gap in monsterlevel between Submerged Passage level 1 and Submerged Passage Level 2 which gave Flooded Depth some more value than it has currently). and attribute requrements are no longer valid (they are higher now!). Oh, and the ridiculous power of Ground Slam was reduced later in the closed beta! This video is from near the end of closed beta so no act 3 either.

Panda is one of the best players in the races with about 20-50 others who are able to win if they get lucky. Other top-players in closed beta include but are not limited to Kripparian, Nugiyen, Devmoon, Backbeard, Grindis123, dime, YeahPete, KoTao, IMDisappoint, Siffin, indczn.

Kripparian, Nugiyen, Devmoon and Backbeard all stream regularly and have participated and recorded some of the testraces, so I would suggest looking at their streams for ideas about how to play. It is not set in stone what is best to do, so it is about finding the balance between level, progress and time.

As for hacking: I guess we were far, far too nice to eachother in closed beta!
Now, they have screwed up by not having actions against brute force hacking and account switching while it is unfortunate to not protect better against Ddos of the servers and server crashes. When that is said, the game is pretty well protected against too much abuse (you can anticipate map-flow or get map shown without exploring in several ways, including several completely legit ways of predicting, but the advantage is relatively minor and you cannot choose how the map should look! I am sure they will remove this as soon as the game goes non-beta!).
I know that some of the developers have a past in security, so I would guess they know how to protect data! I know they focused a lot on ingame security, so I guess they forgot about the website and server security (The guy in charge of the website is afaik not a security guy, and he is working on an extremely interesting large scale trading platform working across both the game and the website so he is busy!). As for encryption, I am pretty sure they know how to use it and implement it in this scale, so I do not think they would be reckless enough to let the data flow unencrypted.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
February 21 2013 21:47 GMT
#6565
And of course, don't be greedy until you're used to it, because you do still want to stay alive for those reward points
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Archers_bane
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1338 Posts
February 21 2013 22:23 GMT
#6566
Those items they are giving away will go down even more in price since a lot of people will eventually get them! Sell now if you have them! lol
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
February 21 2013 22:45 GMT
#6567
On February 22 2013 07:23 Archers_bane wrote:
Those items they are giving away will go down even more in price since a lot of people will eventually get them! Sell now if you have them! lol


The itemlevel 100 Coral Ring is pretty badass. Just wondering how many chaos it'll take me to get good rolls on it ^_^ Wanderlust are good for CI builds, but I think most people use dream fragments instead. The other items are good for leveling up new characters, but I don't plan on doing that in non race leagues so ^_^

Not sure how to value custom artwork though. These items could become very valuable down the line since you may not be able to obtain them ever again.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8036 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-21 22:48:03
February 21 2013 22:45 GMT
#6568
If nothing else, there'll always be a market for ilvl 100 coral rings on hc~

Edit: On the topic of custom artwork, there will be a ton of people who just dismiss it offhand. But after the game grows older, they'll definitely go up in value I think, just for the street cred of having a rare image. In the short term, however, it's probably pretty worthless.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
February 21 2013 22:49 GMT
#6569
On February 22 2013 07:45 Spazer wrote:
If nothing else, there'll always be a market for ilvl 100 coral rings on hc~


Yeah I might actually make a new account after I reach 60 points just because it's the only good item imo.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
February 21 2013 22:53 GMT
#6570
Never underestimate the power of cosmetic items.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Pwere
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1557 Posts
February 21 2013 23:05 GMT
#6571
I'm likely only going to play 1h races and that should be enough to get a coral ring. 2h are basically 1h + 1h in western forest. 3h are pretty cool, mostly in team, but the rewards are simply not worth it, so I better have nothing else to do or some good SC2 to watch on the side.

Btw, the coral ring is nothing spectacular. Resist rings are better for most builds, and it will have the same lvl requirement as an ilvl77 ring. It's basically the same, except that it can be rerolled for A3.5/4, but I assume a lot of people will have lost these rings by then.

If the unique items were "noobified" (i.e. returned to your stash on character death), then they'd be of great value, but as it is, they're some sort of weird speculative item that will likely sit in some stash forever.

A common cosmetic that can be lost on death won't really sell.
AnotherRandom
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada81 Posts
February 21 2013 23:11 GMT
#6572
I feel like I should start buying GCP's and upping some of my quality gems so if I get hacked it's not as big a deal. Also over 1 exalt's worth of alterations and I've only rolled Cruel prefix once on my blue thicket. Unfortunately it was like the 30th Alteration so I thought it would come up more as I aimed for Cruel/Infamy or something else. Le sigh.
Teamliquid is one of the dumbest gaming communities on the internet.
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8036 Posts
February 21 2013 23:19 GMT
#6573
On February 22 2013 08:05 Pwere wrote:
Btw, the coral ring is nothing spectacular. Resist rings are better for most builds, and it will have the same lvl requirement as an ilvl77 ring. It's basically the same, except that it can be rerolled for A3.5/4, but I assume a lot of people will have lost these rings by then.

I'd say the biggest difference is that these coral rings are far more easily attainable. Not everyone has access to ilvl 77 stuff.

If the unique items were "noobified" (i.e. returned to your stash on character death), then they'd be of great value, but as it is, they're some sort of weird speculative item that will likely sit in some stash forever.

A common cosmetic that can be lost on death won't really sell.

The point is that if it's only attainable in races and is lost on death, that makes it rare. In theory, this means if somebody wants it (cosmetic items being pure show-off material), it'll fetch a high price.

On February 22 2013 08:11 AnotherRandom wrote:
I feel like I should start buying GCP's and upping some of my quality gems so if I get hacked it's not as big a deal. Also over 1 exalt's worth of alterations and I've only rolled Cruel prefix once on my blue thicket. Unfortunately it was like the 30th Alteration so I thought it would come up more as I aimed for Cruel/Infamy or something else. Le sigh.

What's stopping them from taking your quality gems? <_<
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Zaqwert
Profile Joined June 2008
United States411 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-21 23:24:58
February 21 2013 23:24 GMT
#6574
The first party race is a 3 hour event at noon on Saturday (US Eastern time). I am looking for a team if anyone is interested in forming one?
Pufftrees
Profile Joined March 2009
2449 Posts
February 21 2013 23:25 GMT
#6575
Good luck in the races!
Chance favors the prepared mind.
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
February 21 2013 23:29 GMT
#6576
Christ I'm paranoid as hell now that I may get hacked. Sorry for everyone that did !

Race rewards are a nice incentive, guess I'll try to do some 1H's here and there. Rewards don't look.....necessarily tantalizing. iLvL 100 Coral ring? Okay....whatever sounds like a good RP dump to make a profit. 12% Prismatic rings are better IMO, only that shield looks impressive.
radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-22 03:18:22
February 22 2013 00:11 GMT
#6577
On February 22 2013 08:29 Slardar wrote:
Christ I'm paranoid as hell now that I may get hacked. Sorry for everyone that did !

Race rewards are a nice incentive, guess I'll try to do some 1H's here and there. Rewards don't look.....necessarily tantalizing. iLvL 100 Coral ring? Okay....whatever sounds like a good RP dump to make a profit. 12% Prismatic rings are better IMO, only that shield looks impressive.

If you wanna sell any of these items, you have to go for the shield or the gloves, rings and below will be worth almost nothing for a very long time. When people start dying with them in hardcore and they go to softcore their value will increase in hardcore, but probably not by much. The shield on the other hand is gonna be obtainable only by very dedicated players. 640 points is almost 6 points in average per race which takes quite a lot of participation even for the best players! If you participate in only one time-slots races, you will almost guaranteed end up with too few possible points to have a chance and even participating in half the races will take a very high average point-score!

Edit: Oops correct score is 480, so it is easier to get to. Still takes a good effort though, but not that much! Pwere is correct.
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Mithhaike
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore2759 Posts
February 22 2013 00:31 GMT
#6578
On February 22 2013 01:46 crms wrote:
Same way people always get hacked.

they download 'cheats'
they click stupid links
they have the same pw for everything
they have keyloggers on their system
they join shady 'community' forums and use the same pw


There is nothing inherently broken in PoE that will make you get hacked. It's 100% user being careless, stupid or just unlucky.


This is pretty much bullshit... i am a very careful guy on the internet. my gaming desktop is used for only 1 thing, gaming. I dont even watch shows on it. I have a laptop that is a throwaway that I use for surfing the web + download shows etc. Email etc is opened only on that throwaway laptop.

My password are a mixture of alphabets+numbers...which has been rated High level of protection in pretty much all games.

I dont ever open email from people i dont know,or click on links like a fool.

Results? I've NEVER been hacked in ANY games. POE is the first time. I call shennigans on GGG. This is definitely their end.
Mew Mew Pew Pew
Pwere
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1557 Posts
February 22 2013 00:36 GMT
#6579
Why 640? The shield is 480 points, so 6 points per race assuming that you can play about 3 timezones. Which is doable, but I'm not burning myself off races for that. I love 1h races, they're a huge gamble, but the longer the race, the more "standard" it becomes, until they change it to progression.

@Spazer, if you can't afford a white ilvl 75+ ring, then you certainly can't afford to run around with an ilvl 100 ring. It just makes no sense to risk losing something that will be really valuable as soon as A4 hits. So, sure, you can obtain it in ~10 hours if you're good, but it's not smart to equip it.

As for cosmetics being rare due to deaths, it also makes it that much harder to find a buyer. People who care about cosmetics usually aren't into HC. It also means you can't really afford to use it on a character you are powerleveling. Which is what I meant by weird speculative value. Microtransaction cosmetics work because they're yours forever. This is completely different.
Infernal_dream
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2359 Posts
February 22 2013 00:39 GMT
#6580
On February 22 2013 09:31 Mithhaike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2013 01:46 crms wrote:
Same way people always get hacked.

they download 'cheats'
they click stupid links
they have the same pw for everything
they have keyloggers on their system
they join shady 'community' forums and use the same pw


There is nothing inherently broken in PoE that will make you get hacked. It's 100% user being careless, stupid or just unlucky.


This is pretty much bullshit... i am a very careful guy on the internet. my gaming desktop is used for only 1 thing, gaming. I dont even watch shows on it. I have a laptop that is a throwaway that I use for surfing the web + download shows etc. Email etc is opened only on that throwaway laptop.

My password are a mixture of alphabets+numbers...which has been rated High level of protection in pretty much all games.

I dont ever open email from people i dont know,or click on links like a fool.

Results? I've NEVER been hacked in ANY games. POE is the first time. I call shennigans on GGG. This is definitely their end.


Thousands of people said the same shit when d3 had it's mass hacking spree. It was never on blizzard. People claimed the same shit you are. IT guys, millions of firewalls and anti virus scans, so on and so forth. Yet never was it blizzards fault, i highly doubt this one is GGG's fault.
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