is carrion golem still good with high investment? im wondering what's a good idiot proof bossing build for taking down maven and the feared in HC
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EchelonTee
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is carrion golem still good with high investment? im wondering what's a good idiot proof bossing build for taking down maven and the feared in HC | ||
Sapaio
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Miragee
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On April 16 2021 17:20 EchelonTee wrote: yeah you're right. in that case you could go Soul Tether + damage on full life. if you find that unreliable, honestly going Fortify ascendency node + Fortify Support is better for overall damage. The fortify gem gives a decent amount of extra damage over the maim gem. For clearing, the extra upfront damage is better than maim since you are one shotting, and for bossing you should always put down your totem, so maim should be online in any case I'm going Slayer so decision is easy for me xD - the Lifetap support gem isn't too bad for early game mana management.. not sure how much of a loss in damage that is though I threw together a Champion VGS build yesterday and PoB tells me Maim does more damage than Fortify if the enemy is maimed. If you are one-shotting during mapping anyways and maim the boss via totems, then it's still more damage than Fortify when it matters or am I missing something. And yeah, I would consider Life Tap as well, especially with the new Vitality Extraction cluster I just path by. PoB is not up to date with the new gems so there is no telling how much of a damage loss it is. Probably also depends on whether I can fit another aura if I use Life Tap. I also threw together an Ice Trap Raider, which is a bit scuffed but gets a ton of defensive layers, utitility and stats from the tree so I don't have to pay a lot of attention to gear choices. Probably going to be my starter (fuck me). | ||
Haasts
New Zealand4437 Posts
On April 16 2021 19:56 Miragee wrote: I also threw together an Ice Trap Raider, which is a bit scuffed but gets a ton of defensive layers, utitility and stats from the tree so I don't have to pay a lot of attention to gear choices. Probably going to be my starter (fuck me). Holy shit, was just coming to ask people to talk me out of starting an Ice Trap Raider and pray the Temple of Atzoatl changes are impactful re: uniques/vials. Would you mind sharing your PoB, Miragee? (I was looking at various Saboteur ones to edit; stumbled across this Raider one in Ventrua's Discord: https://pastebin.com/eAej8HrN ) | ||
haitike
Spain2686 Posts
On April 16 2021 18:52 EchelonTee wrote: is carrion golem still good with high investment? im wondering what's a good idiot proof bossing build for taking down maven and the feared in HC A lot of people on the forums are talking about mage skeletons asa minion league starter with low investment. But I have not tried it. | ||
Miragee
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On April 16 2021 20:12 Haasts wrote: Holy shit, was just coming to ask people to talk me out of starting an Ice Trap Raider and pray the Temple of Atzoatl changes are impactful re: uniques/vials. Would you mind sharing your PoB, Miragee? (I was looking at various Saboteur ones to edit; stumbled across this Raider one in Ventrua's Discord: https://pastebin.com/eAej8HrN ) LOL Sure, here it is: https://pastebin.com/L3X2f01p There is quite a few versions in there. The two of which I likely chose mine from are "Scion Wheel Templar" and "Scion Wheel Shadow)". Honestly, Ventrua's PoB is probably quite a bit better but I don't like the short fortify with the shield charge set-up so I had to go for one of the strength jewel slots. The one between duelist and marauder is probably the better choice if you do that but it looks so ugly to go for the single 10 strength note to hit the 40str treshold... I know they nerf it with 3.14 but the duration will still be a lot longer I assume. Also thank you for linking that PoB. I didn't even know they changed Bear Trap that way. I will incorporate it. Btw.: How do you make PoB show the total dps in the bottom left? My own PoBs never do that. Not that it matters much but I would still like to know. | ||
Haasts
New Zealand4437 Posts
On April 16 2021 20:54 Miragee wrote: Btw.: How do you make PoB show the total dps in the bottom left? My own PoBs never do that. Not that it matters much but I would still like to know. There's a new 'Include in Full DPS' option on the Skills pane; a checkbox to the right of the 'Socketed In' / 'Enabled' bit above the gem links. | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
On April 16 2021 19:56 Miragee wrote: I threw together a Champion VGS build yesterday and PoB tells me Maim does more damage than Fortify if the enemy is maimed. If you are one-shotting during mapping anyways and maim the boss via totems, then it's still more damage than Fortify when it matters or am I missing something. And yeah, I would consider Life Tap as well, especially with the new Vitality Extraction cluster I just path by. PoB is not up to date with the new gems so there is no telling how much of a damage loss it is. Probably also depends on whether I can fit another aura if I use Life Tap. Maim has a lower more multiplier than Fortify, but it's not a huge difference - only 30 vs 34%. if PoB did that I bet it's because maim wasn't being counted from totem even tho it should work is champ better than slayer? I feel like a slow ish attacking skill like GS works out better for slayer. Champ probably a bit tankier but Slayer has the overleech | ||
r.Evo
Germany14054 Posts
On April 16 2021 12:39 EchelonTee wrote: I don't know if it got nerfed or changed, but typically you would do Chaos Slinger (ED + friends) and it's super duper fast. It takes a lot of inventory micro though, due to all the socket pressure Tbh ED has too many downsides in SC, especially considering the league mechanic. It's still an extremely strong all-rounder and prolly quicker to t16 than e.g. a miner but then you're there and your bossing is just "eh". The league mechanic is also one of those things where ED is either extremely good (because even 10 stages is fine damage wise) or absolute shite (because things get too tanky and you're #1 to be overwhelmed). Pretty sure I take the bit slower prog and go for mines instead. Still torn what exactly though. Scion is basically 10-20% behind of Saboteur in terms of damage/speed until you get to killing UElder. From Indigon onwards you just start scaling past and way beyond, not to mention the tankyness. ...I think I wanna do Scion, just hope I don't regret it. WTB Arc / Smoke mine! | ||
Velr
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r.Evo
Germany14054 Posts
Reserving Mana or Life no longer involves spending anything - so you don't need any current Mana to turn on an Aura, you just need enough of your Mana orb to be unreserved that the Aura's reservation will fit. However, while previously reservations were mutually exclusive with costs, this is no longer the case and it's possible for a skill to have both a reservation and a cost, in which case the cost will still require spending (but using a reservation skill a second time to 'turn it off' does not require paying the cost again). The most notable case of this is Mine skills - these all have costs as well as reservations, which must both be satisfied to use the skill, and can each be modified separately. This also means that mechanics that add to the costs of skills, such as the Voidbringer unique gloves, will now affect skills with reservations, which previously escaped this due to being unable to have both. Likewise, Support gems that add a Mana reservation to skills, such as Blasphemy, no longer inherently remove the cost as part of that process. Unless I misunderstand: a) You still spend Mana on mines, just the portion that reserves Mana won't count towards Indigon anymore. b) Your initial damage comes from using Arcane Cloak anyway with which you instantly blow 65% of your Mana. Now I'm worried I missed something. :3 | ||
Velr
Switzerland10417 Posts
Mines are fine anyway. | ||
HolydaKing
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Also what Velr says is most definitely true, it will still work but much worse. | ||
Sapaio
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Gorsameth
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On April 17 2021 01:20 Sapaio wrote: The damage Infernal Cry does can't be reflected, but the attacks it exerts and that you use to trigger Infernal Cry's damage will still reflect.I just read the infernal cry text. Do I understand it correctly and you don't get reflected damage by using it. So u could just switch it in to do reflect maps, or am I miss understanding it. | ||
r.Evo
Germany14054 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Chainbreaker is gone. Yeah that's a big deal since it's x2 damage almost but relatively speaking that's gone for most builds and things like A9 Feared is more than fine even without. The super long Fortify is gone. Also true for all similar builds. The mana reservation / cost change I dare say is almost completely irrelevant. For example in Akane's Endgame variant from last league with 7400 Mana you press Arcane cloak and now get 4800 mana spent for 4s. 600% spell damage, 1440% inc mana cost. Our mine now costs 315 mana, 0.34s throwing time. Arcane cloak has a 2.67s cooldown after the 4.2s duration is over. By the time the "recent mana spent" from Arcane Cloak would drop off we've thrown 4s worth of mines ~ 11x315 = 3465 mana (which obviously keeps ramping up by 30% each stage but math long). Overall [i]since we use Arcane Cloak to start our Indigon Mana spending[i] that initial burst is completely unaffected. Even if we now cut mana cost for the mine in half it shouldn't matter that much since we start at such a high multiplier already. The biggest nerf to this build is in that window of 4s to 6.8s when that big chunk of mana that started this isn't as well supported with the new mine cost. However it's within this window where our BL mines for example start at 350k per hit (previously 615k with Berserk). For comparison a similarly decked out Saboteur caps out at 180k per hit and has much, much less sustain/tankyness. Overall it feels weird stealing a build that the maker themselves called dead and defending it but based on napkin math it goes from godlike to just extremely strong. Also, Blazing Salvo > Ball Lightning I assume. Anyway, I'm still open to cool caster suggestions that can zoom better and boss well, but apart from BF BB I can't think of too much. Definitely not too deep into things tho so maybe there's stuff. e: Rereading the manifesto: This means that both modifiers to costs and reservation both affect their appropriate parts of mine costs, so Indigon no longer provides spell damage without affecting mine costs at all. Oh god is the way it worked that the cost increase didn't apply at all and a bugfix killed it? Now I'm scared. | ||
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clusen
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