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FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6172 Posts
September 17 2020 23:55 GMT
#32361
I cant decide if i should go assassin or elementalist to play with crackling lance.

I wanna go more crit base. But i dont know if going assassin is worth it
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Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
September 18 2020 01:50 GMT
#32362
Assassin is still fine after the nerfs
kramvti
Profile Joined July 2019
73 Posts
September 18 2020 05:51 GMT
#32363
I've been thinking of doing another very off meta build. Pondering a melee Guardian summoner. I have done one or two in the past but wasn't really impressed with the results towards red tier maps. Considering just going cyclone as the main attack skill, some ele aura, and vitality. Anybody have any experience with templar melee summoners that could give some general advice?

I have made a bowa Guadian work pretty well, but the nerf to (now marks) is going to really hurt that character left on standard, and I want a replacement.
Espelz
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany819 Posts
September 18 2020 07:40 GMT
#32364
On September 18 2020 14:51 kramvti wrote:
I've been thinking of doing another very off meta build. Pondering a melee Guardian summoner. I have done one or two in the past but wasn't really impressed with the results towards red tier maps. Considering just going cyclone as the main attack skill, some ele aura, and vitality. Anybody have any experience with templar melee summoners that could give some general advice?

I have made a bowa Guadian work pretty well, but the nerf to (now marks) is going to really hurt that character left on standard, and I want a replacement.


Wheres the summoner part ?

I played Dom blow last league (with herald of purity minions), and while it was nice on maps and on most bosses, to me it felt terrible vs Sirus in the end because your damage has a certain ramp up time until your minions are up again, and you kinda had to be VERY melee with dom blow.

Cyclone probably feels better there tho (what is it supposed to do tho? do damage yourself? cwc offerings etc? )

When you say ele aura, do you want to convert minion damage then with the gloves? Because all non-spectre minions (except raging spirits) are pure phys (Skeletons, zombies, holy relic, purity sentinels).



"Its not over till Fantasy gg´s" - Sayle
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2713 Posts
September 18 2020 07:56 GMT
#32365
After a lot of ideas I think I will play Scourge Arrow pathfinder at the end, lol. It is not the best boss killer but it has insane clearing (you can offscreen mobs easily with the 5 pods and some prolif) and it is very tanky for a ranged build (fortify, all the pathfinder flask buffs, dodge, evasion, infused channeling, etc.)
Espelz
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany819 Posts
September 18 2020 08:21 GMT
#32366
On September 18 2020 16:56 haitike wrote:
After a lot of ideas I think I will play Scourge Arrow pathfinder at the end, lol. It is not the best boss killer but it has insane clearing (you can offscreen mobs easily with the 5 pods and some prolif) and it is very tanky for a ranged build (fortify, all the pathfinder flask buffs, dodge, evasion, infused channeling, etc.)


If its not "the best" bosskiller, its definitely up there. I remember plato telling us last league how super smooth all his sirus kills where. Granted, that was not only with plato gear, but with plato harvest gear in the end.

But you`re pretty much unable to ever miss, and are super fast / mobile.
Also, how the fuck are you gonna get fortify ??
"Its not over till Fantasy gg´s" - Sayle
ASoo
Profile Joined November 2010
2864 Posts
September 18 2020 08:23 GMT
#32367
On September 18 2020 14:51 kramvti wrote:
I've been thinking of doing another very off meta build. Pondering a melee Guardian summoner. I have done one or two in the past but wasn't really impressed with the results towards red tier maps. Considering just going cyclone as the main attack skill, some ele aura, and vitality. Anybody have any experience with templar melee summoners that could give some general advice?

I have made a bowa Guadian work pretty well, but the nerf to (now marks) is going to really hurt that character left on standard, and I want a replacement.

I've always wanted to make Facebreakers or Hollow Palm + Dancing Duo work in this build concept. Not sure how viable it is though. I made an Ancestral Warchief version once and ended up being pretty underwhelmed.
Espelz
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany819 Posts
September 18 2020 08:24 GMT
#32368
Think I´ll just roll the dice and then either play scion with the whole mom/agnostic/archmage stuff, checking out crackling lance with BL as a backup plan, or I´ll do hiero totems and test a few skills out there.

I was almost tempted to go chaos trickster again, considering they nerfed NOTHING about it at all, test out hex stuff and move back to safety of ED/contagion in case of "meh", but the "meh" case would feel really bad considering i played so much of it lately.
"Its not over till Fantasy gg´s" - Sayle
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2713 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-18 08:49:44
September 18 2020 08:35 GMT
#32369
On September 18 2020 17:21 Espelz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2020 16:56 haitike wrote:
After a lot of ideas I think I will play Scourge Arrow pathfinder at the end, lol. It is not the best boss killer but it has insane clearing (you can offscreen mobs easily with the 5 pods and some prolif) and it is very tanky for a ranged build (fortify, all the pathfinder flask buffs, dodge, evasion, infused channeling, etc.)


If its not "the best" bosskiller, its definitely up there. I remember plato telling us last league how super smooth all his sirus kills where. Granted, that was not only with plato gear, but with plato harvest gear in the end.

But you`re pretty much unable to ever miss, and are super fast / mobile.
Also, how the fuck are you gonna get fortify ??


I had the same doubt after some SA players mentioning fortify. I found the trick. You annoint Hardened Scars in an amulet that gives you fortify during Effect of any Life Flask. And instead of a life flask you use a hybrid flask with the forebonding preffix (so the flask is active all the duration even if you are max life).
kramvti
Profile Joined July 2019
73 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-18 09:06:42
September 18 2020 09:04 GMT
#32370
On September 18 2020 16:40 Espelz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2020 14:51 kramvti wrote:
I've been thinking of doing another very off meta build. Pondering a melee Guardian summoner. I have done one or two in the past but wasn't really impressed with the results towards red tier maps. Considering just going cyclone as the main attack skill, some ele aura, and vitality. Anybody have any experience with templar melee summoners that could give some general advice?

I have made a bowa Guadian work pretty well, but the nerf to (now marks) is going to really hurt that character left on standard, and I want a replacement.


Wheres the summoner part ?

I played Dom blow last league (with herald of purity minions), and while it was nice on maps and on most bosses, to me it felt terrible vs Sirus in the end because your damage has a certain ramp up time until your minions are up again, and you kinda had to be VERY melee with dom blow.

Cyclone probably feels better there tho (what is it supposed to do tho? do damage yourself? cwc offerings etc? )

When you say ele aura, do you want to convert minion damage then with the gloves? Because all non-spectre minions (except raging spirits) are pure phys (Skeletons, zombies, holy relic, purity sentinels).




In the past I have used the summoner node that gives attack minion attack damage to your own, and just stacked minion damage. Virtually no other damage nodes.
I used smite as the main attack before iirc.
I havent used offerings much on these as there are already hard choices to make as far as minion survivabiltity, sufficient melee damage (to justify not making a pure summoner witch), movemet skill, and convocation. I've used one handed weapons with the templar variant, and 6linked either the melee skill, or zombies. Gone with and without skeles (tend to prefer the style with them, if nothing else to help with aggro. Gone with and without spectres, again prefer it with. I'v tended to not use golems at the end stages, but did while leveling.

I've also done an Oro's sacrifice Chieftan with infernal blow using the same basic idea. Results were similar. Both are fun, but red tier maps slow things down a lot. If not enough minion nodes, they die. If not enough survivability nodes, I die.

Using a similar concept with a bow, I chose barrage to apply multiple curses, and be able to carry several auras. It had the best success. At least could take out tier 16 guardian maps, minus the minotaur (just hard as hell to see where his charge is going to land amongst a lot of minions).
Espelz
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany819 Posts
September 18 2020 09:52 GMT
#32371
On September 18 2020 17:35 haitike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2020 17:21 Espelz wrote:
On September 18 2020 16:56 haitike wrote:
After a lot of ideas I think I will play Scourge Arrow pathfinder at the end, lol. It is not the best boss killer but it has insane clearing (you can offscreen mobs easily with the 5 pods and some prolif) and it is very tanky for a ranged build (fortify, all the pathfinder flask buffs, dodge, evasion, infused channeling, etc.)


If its not "the best" bosskiller, its definitely up there. I remember plato telling us last league how super smooth all his sirus kills where. Granted, that was not only with plato gear, but with plato harvest gear in the end.

But you`re pretty much unable to ever miss, and are super fast / mobile.
Also, how the fuck are you gonna get fortify ??


I had the same doubt after some SA players mentioning fortify. I found the trick. You annoint Hardened Scars in an amulet that gives you fortify during Effect of any Life Flask. And instead of a life flask you use a hybrid flask with the forebonding preffix (so the flask is active all the duration even if you are max life).


See - you never cease to learn something new in this game.

This is really cool, never would`ve thought of it
"Its not over till Fantasy gg´s" - Sayle
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-18 10:43:03
September 18 2020 10:36 GMT
#32372
Man is it tempting to just casually roll ED Trickster since apparently that build is still cool. I'll prolly go with that unless I hear some cool suggestion.

Something something fast fun decent at bossing, doesn't have to be HC proof but obviously nothing that explodes every 2nd map. What I still kinda miss is the gameplay of the old Ele ST builds for example.

What did the cool kids play last league? Any new-ish skills that stood out?


Since you just mentioned SA, any guide recommendations? What is bow levelling like these days?

What shape is summoner in?
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2713 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-18 14:02:35
September 18 2020 11:09 GMT
#32373
Since you just mentioned SA, any guide recommendations? What is bow levelling like these days?


Bow leveling is good for DoT. Toxic Rain, Caustic Arrow, The bleeding build (Puncture + RoA/Split Arrow) are very good as league starters. Poison Scourge Arrow (my starter) is not as fast leveling as these 3, but still good. Other bow skills (elemental builds, non DoT builds, etc.) need investment before they are good so they are not the best league starters.

Probably chaos Toxic Rain is the best starter. For clearning all content you only need a bow with +3 to bow skills and good attack speed (you don't even need attack speed if you go toxic rain mines). You don't need DPS or elder affixes in the bow like with Scourge Arrow or the bleeding build.

For SA I like this build, it has a detailed PoB:
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2551841/page/1

There is another build using voltaxic rift, herald of thunder and shock, but I don't like it too much.
Espelz
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany819 Posts
September 18 2020 13:36 GMT
#32374
On September 18 2020 19:36 r.Evo wrote:
Man is it tempting to just casually roll ED Trickster since apparently that build is still cool. I'll prolly go with that unless I hear some cool suggestion.

Something something fast fun decent at bossing, doesn't have to be HC proof but obviously nothing that explodes every 2nd map. What I still kinda miss is the gameplay of the old Ele ST builds for example.

What did the cool kids play last league? Any new-ish skills that stood out?


Since you just mentioned SA, any guide recommendations? What is bow levelling like these days?

What shape is summoner in?


Honestly, if you didnt play ED trickster in a long time (and didnt burn yourself out on the build like a lot of other players, me included) - it still feels really good, and nowadays you can get gear together that makes single target actually decent.

SA i would probably level as toxic rain too.

If you like a 1-2 punch kinda playstyle cremation is still very nice and makes for pretty tanky builds too.

On the topic of new-ish skills that got good use last league ... maybe penance brand? I think a lot of people played that over storm brand, maybe something to look up.
"Its not over till Fantasy gg´s" - Sayle
Espelz
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany819 Posts
September 18 2020 18:27 GMT
#32375
God the last patch that needed the redownload REALLY cut down on the patchsize. Last leagues I wouldnt be done downloading for at least another 1-2 hours, and now I`m already in queue.
"Its not over till Fantasy gg´s" - Sayle
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21687 Posts
September 18 2020 18:34 GMT
#32376
On September 19 2020 03:27 Espelz wrote:
God the last patch that needed the redownload REALLY cut down on the patchsize. Last leagues I wouldnt be done downloading for at least another 1-2 hours, and now I`m already in queue.
Yeah, unless you downloaded the torrent in preparation and got stuck having to re-download the entire game due to an incompatible version bug.
God I am glad I saw the warning on their twitter before I replaced the file.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Espelz
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany819 Posts
September 18 2020 18:44 GMT
#32377
On September 19 2020 03:34 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2020 03:27 Espelz wrote:
God the last patch that needed the redownload REALLY cut down on the patchsize. Last leagues I wouldnt be done downloading for at least another 1-2 hours, and now I`m already in queue.
Yeah, unless you downloaded the torrent in preparation and got stuck having to re-download the entire game due to an incompatible version bug.
God I am glad I saw the warning on their twitter before I replaced the file.


uuuuuh.... i guess some people will be very unhappy now then :/

Good that you saw it at least.
"Its not over till Fantasy gg´s" - Sayle
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-18 18:45:19
September 18 2020 18:44 GMT
#32378
On September 19 2020 03:27 Espelz wrote:
God the last patch that needed the redownload REALLY cut down on the patchsize. Last leagues I wouldnt be done downloading for at least another 1-2 hours, and now I`m already in queue.

Yup, download went a lot faster. Last league the download even crashed a lot so I didn't manage to join the queue in time. This time I saw the queue like a minute late, so I'm 6245th which is pretty good.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
September 18 2020 19:07 GMT
#32379
Also earliest queue in the west this time around, like 7k ahead.

AND MATHIL COSPLAY REVEAL RIGHT NOW
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13935 Posts
September 18 2020 19:29 GMT
#32380
On September 19 2020 04:07 r.Evo wrote:
Also earliest queue in the west this time around, like 7k ahead.

AND MATHIL COSPLAY REVEAL RIGHT NOW

Saw that it was pretty good.

got just under 40k for the queue 39996
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
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