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sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-09 00:22:07
August 08 2017 23:08 GMT
#25541
On August 09 2017 07:52 Alur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2017 04:41 sob3k wrote:
On August 09 2017 04:17 Alur wrote:
Top secret memebuild now live at twitch.tv/alurr


I assume it stack to 200% burn from the double dyadus?

Yup, they stack. Effectively getting 200% more from your weapons, with good jewels there are no weapon setups that have better damage. People seem really stuck to using shields with RF, but these days there's so much regen and mitigation available that it's completely unnecesary.


200% increased, sheesh do you even play POE

EDIT: didn't see the taken
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Meta
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States6228 Posts
August 08 2017 23:18 GMT
#25542
On August 09 2017 08:08 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2017 07:52 Alur wrote:
On August 09 2017 04:41 sob3k wrote:
On August 09 2017 04:17 Alur wrote:
Top secret memebuild now live at twitch.tv/alurr


I assume it stack to 200% burn from the double dyadus?

Yup, they stack. Effectively getting 200% more from your weapons, with good jewels there are no weapon setups that have better damage. People seem really stuck to using shields with RF, but these days there's so much regen and mitigation available that it's completely unnecesary.


200% increased, sheesh do you even play POE


Explain for my noob self what the difference is?
good vibes only
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
August 09 2017 00:04 GMT
#25543
On August 09 2017 08:18 Meta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2017 08:08 sob3k wrote:
On August 09 2017 07:52 Alur wrote:
On August 09 2017 04:41 sob3k wrote:
On August 09 2017 04:17 Alur wrote:
Top secret memebuild now live at twitch.tv/alurr


I assume it stack to 200% burn from the double dyadus?

Yup, they stack. Effectively getting 200% more from your weapons, with good jewels there are no weapon setups that have better damage. People seem really stuck to using shields with RF, but these days there's so much regen and mitigation available that it's completely unnecesary.


200% increased, sheesh do you even play POE


Explain for my noob self what the difference is?


sob3k is actually wrong
it's 200% increased damage taken, which is closer to a "more" multiplier.

Though it's actually neither "more", nor "increased". It's an increase in the damage the enemy takes after all other calculation. I've seen arguments it's worse than "more" multipliers, but I think it's better.

Though in general it's best to spread out increased, more, and damage taken.
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
August 09 2017 00:12 GMT
#25544
It's basically more modifier as long as there aren't other sources of increased damage taken (such as shock, intimidate, vuln) in play, the more you bring in, the less impressive each source of inc damage taken becomes on it's own. What's notable is that the numbers on all other increased damage taken modifiers pale in comparison to the one on Dyadus.
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sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-09 00:48:43
August 09 2017 00:21 GMT
#25545
On August 09 2017 09:04 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2017 08:18 Meta wrote:
On August 09 2017 08:08 sob3k wrote:
On August 09 2017 07:52 Alur wrote:
On August 09 2017 04:41 sob3k wrote:
On August 09 2017 04:17 Alur wrote:
Top secret memebuild now live at twitch.tv/alurr


I assume it stack to 200% burn from the double dyadus?

Yup, they stack. Effectively getting 200% more from your weapons, with good jewels there are no weapon setups that have better damage. People seem really stuck to using shields with RF, but these days there's so much regen and mitigation available that it's completely unnecesary.


200% increased, sheesh do you even play POE


Explain for my noob self what the difference is?


sob3k is actually wrong
it's 200% increased damage taken, which is closer to a "more" multiplier.

Though it's actually neither "more", nor "increased". It's an increase in the damage the enemy takes after all other calculation. I've seen arguments it's worse than "more" multipliers, but I think it's better.

Though in general it's best to spread out increased, more, and damage taken.


Correct mostly. I missed that taken.

100 base dmg, 4x 50% multipliers

Increased multipliers: 100dmg * (1+.5+.5+.5+.5) = 300 damage dealt
More multipliers: 100 * 1.5 * 1.5 * 1.5 *1.5 = 506.25 damage dealt

"damage-taken" multipliers are applied at the end after the normal increased and more multipliers.

They are strictly worse than more multipliers, as they interact additively with each other.

The basics are:

1. increased are the worst, they do less the more you have of them
2. More are the best, they always give you exactly that % more total damage
3. Increased-taken act like more usually since they are applied after all the others, but lose power as you stack them just like increased.

https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Receiving_damage
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-09 01:12:45
August 09 2017 01:07 GMT
#25546
On August 09 2017 09:21 sob3k wrote:
3. Increased-taken act like more usually since they are applied after all the others, but lose power as you stack them just like increased.

In this case that's not really relevant. The first Dyadus turns 100 dmg into 200 while the second turns the 200 into 300. So while *technically* the second one 'only' increases your DPS by 50% instead of 100% like the first one they act like a 3x multiplier in practice.

For all intents and purposes that's not "losing power as you stack them", the second 100% add the same amount of damage as the first 100%.

I'm still torn on whether Alurrs new variant is actually better than the one I just died on that used one Dyadus as a weaponswap for bosses. Immortal Flesh, Blood Dance, a Berek's Ring and not enough points for Holy Fire cluster seem like too much sacrifice to me. Not entirely sure though.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
August 09 2017 02:39 GMT
#25547
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augmented and regal'd that today. not sure what to price it for hhc
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
August 09 2017 02:48 GMT
#25548
On August 09 2017 10:07 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2017 09:21 sob3k wrote:
3. Increased-taken act like more usually since they are applied after all the others, but lose power as you stack them just like increased.

In this case that's not really relevant. The first Dyadus turns 100 dmg into 200 while the second turns the 200 into 300. So while *technically* the second one 'only' increases your DPS by 50% instead of 100% like the first one they act like a 3x multiplier in practice.

For all intents and purposes that's not "losing power as you stack them", the second 100% add the same amount of damage as the first 100%.

I'm still torn on whether Alurrs new variant is actually better than the one I just died on that used one Dyadus as a weaponswap for bosses. Immortal Flesh, Blood Dance, a Berek's Ring and not enough points for Holy Fire cluster seem like too much sacrifice to me. Not entirely sure though.


Can I get an account name or POB so I can look at your guys char's, I'm interested in the this build.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-09 03:16:28
August 09 2017 03:15 GMT
#25549
Alurrs profile is public, PoB from when I exploded is here. - note that my setup basically just weaponswaps for bosses, otherwise more damage didn't feel needed. Alurrs version runs around with a lot more regen and just sticks to the Dyadus all day.

Also shhh... was surprised Alurr even mentioned it in here but now the sekrit is out anyway. =P
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Glacierz
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1245 Posts
August 09 2017 04:34 GMT
#25550
I'm GlacierC in Harbinger League, thanks in advance for the invite.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 09 2017 04:40 GMT
#25551
It wasn't me I promise! What are you rerolling as? And why is it a scion discharger?

www.poeurl.com/bqSS
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-09 04:50:22
August 09 2017 04:50 GMT
#25552
On August 09 2017 13:40 bo1b wrote:
It wasn't me I promise! What are you rerolling as? And why is it a scion discharger?

www.poeurl.com/bqSS

Any footage on this? Or really any fun Scion builds? Class interests me but people seem pretty negative about it overall from my research. Lot of that could be pre-3.0, though I have no idea what changed.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-09 05:05:14
August 09 2017 04:53 GMT
#25553
Scion is actually busted atm people just don't know it yet, that tree needs more work I forgot a really important keystone, but the build in action is something like this:



www.poeurl.com/bqS6 Need one more point for 200% life oh well rip the dream.

In all seriousness don't try and build it until you have some currency and knowledge of the game, it will be a miserable experience otherwise.

Having said that if you can get atziris acuities this build might be busted with how much shit you can get on the tree.
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-09 05:11:51
August 09 2017 05:09 GMT
#25554
On August 09 2017 13:53 bo1b wrote:
In all seriousness don't try and build it until you have some currency and knowledge of the game, it will be a miserable experience otherwise.

Good to know. Does look fun! Have plenty of other cheaper builds to keep me going for a while, but good to know that there's strong ideas out there for Scion. The double ascendancy thing and crawling all over the tree is just really interesting to me
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
August 09 2017 06:20 GMT
#25555
On August 09 2017 12:15 r.Evo wrote:
Alurrs profile is public, PoB from when I exploded is here. - note that my setup basically just weaponswaps for bosses, otherwise more damage didn't feel needed. Alurrs version runs around with a lot more regen and just sticks to the Dyadus all day.

Also shhh... was surprised Alurr even mentioned it in here but now the sekrit is out anyway. =P

It's ok nobody reads TL.

:D

I might log on standard and film a guardian kill to post on Reddit today.
AKA No can Dazzle | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlTpX7z3Pok
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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
August 09 2017 06:20 GMT
#25556
On August 09 2017 13:40 bo1b wrote:
It wasn't me I promise! What are you rerolling as? And why is it a scion discharger?

www.poeurl.com/bqSS

95% sure I'm doing almost the same thing again, build was way more fun than expected. Discharger sounds also great though, I miss those - why u no PoB anything. Not entirely sure if it can blast bosses well enough with the buffed HP.

Also I know I'd regret not having some labfarmer around so it might have to wait even if it's cool enough. :3
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 09 2017 06:47 GMT
#25557
I use a mac while I'm travelling and can't use pob. Also I never put gear and shit in with pob anyway so it makes no real difference.
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
August 09 2017 06:52 GMT
#25558
A friend of mine who is usually very successful with his builds is doing a cospris discharge build that has great single target potential. It helps that voll's devotion is relatively cheap since discharge isn't meta.
AKA No can Dazzle | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlTpX7z3Pok
TL+ Member
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-09 07:16:35
August 09 2017 07:16 GMT
#25559
Last league discharge was able to down every single boss I went up against comfortably except for chimera, and this build has more dps as I went trickster.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
August 09 2017 08:50 GMT
#25560
On August 09 2017 12:15 r.Evo wrote:
Alurrs profile is public, PoB from when I exploded is here. - note that my setup basically just weaponswaps for bosses, otherwise more damage didn't feel needed. Alurrs version runs around with a lot more regen and just sticks to the Dyadus all day.

Also shhh... was surprised Alurr even mentioned it in here but now the sekrit is out anyway. =P

That is interesting build but I know what Pohx would say, that you are much slower with cyclone than what he is doing.
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