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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
If he wanted to prove he wasn't a racist that was the chance to do it. It's not optional in this case because it's a mark of respect. He shouldn't blame Evra if he believes the decision to be wrong he should blame the FA. But also Evra should be charged for inciting violence at the end, that too was unacceptable. | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
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Resilient
United Kingdom1431 Posts
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
*CHOMP CHOMP CHOMP* for 95 minutes what the fuck is that about. And he's a sir too. That has always bugged me out. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On February 12 2012 19:31 JPP wrote: No they are not better. Go re-watch the Arsenal-Barcelona match. There is no other teenager in the world that could have done what Wilshere did that night, against the best midfield in the world. You're seriously overrating the Barcelona youngsters based on a few cup games and matches against bottom table teams. At least Wilshere has been a consistent starter so we can make a fair judgement about him. He played a good game, by that logic the guy who scored 2 against Barca last night is now a Godly forward. He was a consistent starter in a team performing poorly. Heck its still performing poorly. These guys are contributing, it doesnt matter wether its bottom of the table (which it really isnt actually ? Do you even follow spanish football ?) Thiago I rate already above Wilshere playing roughly the same position at the moment. Theyve been getting pretty good time and theyve got the stats to show for it. The contributions are very telling go check them out. And please no more BS about how La liga is sub standard and what not, wether its shit teams or this teams or that teams. Arsenal have trouble beating anything really. Its no different to England. The likes of Tello and Cuenca are wingers and frankly serve a different purpose to what Wilshere does/did and more importantly they score goals. Hence the "in some ways". Wilshere dont get to many of those. Hell intangibles aside just look at the raw stats. Im not going to look them up for you but feel free to be surprised. Granted hes been injured all season and injury is unfortunate but thats not anyone elses problem really you cant feel sorry for to long about people getting injured its part and parcel of how your rated. If you arent fit to play then you are no good and your value as a player drops end of discussion. What you "did" is like saying Torres is a great forward because he scored lots of goals for liverpool. Unless it led to winning something, its not even a laurel let alone something worth resting on. The worst thing that couldve happened to him was the how much he had to play at his age in a breakthrough season and then after, its just not smart and it shows everytime Arsenal get a kid hobbling of over the years. Why you think Wengers so careful with Miyachi and Ox now. Sorry but any barca lineup with regular starters + Cuenca, Tello and Thiago on current form would thrash any Arsenal team with 3 Wilsheres (even at his best). And feel free to cut an Iniesta or Fabregas here or a Pedro there. Maybe theyll be found out if they play more, but not at the moment they are punching well above their supposed weight in a star studded team. | ||
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Timurid
Guyana (French)656 Posts
On February 12 2012 20:44 Rebs wrote: He played a good game, by that logic the guy who scored 2 against Barca last night is now a Godly forward. He was a consistent starter in a team performing poorly. Heck its still performing poorly. These guys are contributing, it doesnt matter wether its bottom of the table (which it really isnt actually ? Do you even follow spanish football ?) Thiago I rate already above Wilshere playing roughly the same position at the moment. Theyve been getting pretty good time and theyve got the stats to show for it. The contributions are very telling go check them out. And please no more BS about how La liga is sub standard and what not, wether its shit teams or this teams or that teams. Arsenal have trouble beating anything really. Its no different to England. The likes of Tello and Cuenca are wingers and frankly serve a different purpose to what Wilshere does/did and more importantly they score goals. Hence the "in some ways". Wilshere dont get to many of those. Hell intangibles aside just look at the raw stats. Im not going to look them up for you but feel free to be surprised. Granted hes been injured all season and injury is unfortunate but thats not anyone elses problem really you cant feel sorry for to long about people getting injured its part and parcel of how your rated. If you arent fit to play then you are no good and your value as a player drops end of discussion. What you "did" is like saying Torres is a great forward because he scored lots of goals for liverpool. Unless it led to winning something, its not even a laurel let alone something worth resting on. The worst thing that couldve happened to him was the how much he had to play at his age in a breakthrough season and then after, its just not smart and it shows everytime Arsenal get a kid hobbling of over the years. Why you think Wengers so careful with Miyachi and Ox now. Sorry but any barca lineup with regular starters + Cuenca, Tello and Thiago on current form would thrash any Arsenal team with 3 Wilsheres (even at his best). And feel free to cut an Iniesta or Fabregas here or a Pedro there. Maybe theyll be found out if they play more, but not at the moment they are punching well above their supposed weight in a star studded team. They must be on amazing form to lose to Osasuna yesterday. | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
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TemplarCo.
Mexico2870 Posts
Next I feel sorry for Inter and I just LOL at Milan vs Udinese, for Inter cause they had at least 5-10 clear goal chances today but didn't score anything, they dominated but lost unlike Milan, they play like crap the whole game but the 2 goal chances they have they score with Shaarawy and López and win. And Chelsea... damn... | ||
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TemplarCo.
Mexico2870 Posts
On February 13 2012 06:57 Mafe wrote: Nobody watching the nations cup final? Game is close to penalty shootout, after Drogba missed one in regular time. 8-7 Zambia just won... f*cking Gervinho... | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
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Timurid
Guyana (French)656 Posts
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JPP
Finland104 Posts
On February 12 2012 20:44 Rebs wrote: He played a good game, by that logic the guy who scored 2 against Barca last night is now a Godly forward. He was a consistent starter in a team performing poorly. Heck its still performing poorly. These guys are contributing, it doesnt matter wether its bottom of the table (which it really isnt actually ? Do you even follow spanish football ?) Thiago I rate already above Wilshere playing roughly the same position at the moment. Theyve been getting pretty good time and theyve got the stats to show for it. The contributions are very telling go check them out. And please no more BS about how La liga is sub standard and what not, wether its shit teams or this teams or that teams. Arsenal have trouble beating anything really. Its no different to England. The likes of Tello and Cuenca are wingers and frankly serve a different purpose to what Wilshere does/did and more importantly they score goals. Hence the "in some ways". Wilshere dont get to many of those. Hell intangibles aside just look at the raw stats. Im not going to look them up for you but feel free to be surprised. Granted hes been injured all season and injury is unfortunate but thats not anyone elses problem really you cant feel sorry for to long about people getting injured its part and parcel of how your rated. If you arent fit to play then you are no good and your value as a player drops end of discussion. What you "did" is like saying Torres is a great forward because he scored lots of goals for liverpool. Unless it led to winning something, its not even a laurel let alone something worth resting on. The worst thing that couldve happened to him was the how much he had to play at his age in a breakthrough season and then after, its just not smart and it shows everytime Arsenal get a kid hobbling of over the years. Why you think Wengers so careful with Miyachi and Ox now. Sorry but any barca lineup with regular starters + Cuenca, Tello and Thiago on current form would thrash any Arsenal team with 3 Wilsheres (even at his best). And feel free to cut an Iniesta or Fabregas here or a Pedro there. Maybe theyll be found out if they play more, but not at the moment they are punching well above their supposed weight in a star studded team. Yes, I do follow spanish football. I've watched almost every match Barcelona have played this season. I've also watched every single Arsenal match in the last three years. I think I can make my own judgments based on that. Arsenal didn't win the league last year, but they weren't horrible either. You remember that in late February they were within couple of points from first place? And that was largely thanks to Wilshere's contributions. Bigger problems were the lack of a proper striker, and a unreliable defense. Granted hes been injured all season and injury is unfortunate but thats not anyone elses problem really you cant feel sorry for to long about people getting injured its part and parcel of how your rated. If you arent fit to play then you are no good and your value as a player drops end of discussion. But we're not discussing his value for the team are we? We're discussing who is better. You said that Barca has several players in their reserves that are better and I disagree. The likes of Tello and Cuenca are wingers and frankly serve a different purpose to what Wilshere does/did and more importantly they score goals Of course they score more goals, they are wingers. Wilshere is a playmaker. Playmakers don't necessarily need to score goals. As an Arsenal supporter I have seen many young players that have looked very promising in their initial appearances. But once they have to be relied on to play a major part every week, they suddenly don't look so good. Wilshere got thrust into a situation where he was asked to fill Fabregas' role and he did so with amazing consistency. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On February 13 2012 07:11 TemplarCo. wrote: A few things to talk about, first congratulations to Real Madrid (unless somehow they lose vs Levante in the next 10 mins) for winning La Liga ? Wait a minute they've only played 22 games out of 38. There's still a lot of football left to play. Yes they are definite favourites right now but it seems a little silly to proclaim them champions already. | ||
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DragoonPK
3259 Posts
On February 13 2012 07:11 TemplarCo. wrote: A few things to talk about, first congratulations to Real Madrid (unless somehow they lose vs Levante in the next 10 mins) for winning La Liga, second screw Barça, not for the loss but for the irregular season (to their standards) and giving up 17 points iirc, but nonetheless Barça > Madrid. Next I feel sorry for Inter and I just LOL at Milan vs Udinese, for Inter cause they had at least 5-10 clear goal chances today but didn't score anything, they dominated but lost unlike Milan, they play like crap the whole game but the 2 goal chances they have they score with Shaarawy and López and win. And Chelsea... damn... It's extremely hard being an Inter fan these days. We have a decent performance but fail to score :[. I'm desperately hoping for a 3rd place champions league spot, although its now became extremely difficult to achieve. Juventus is looking like champions from their performances so far, and I think they deserve it after 7 years without any titles. Glad Madrid is doing great too, no comment on Barca. Their performance has definitely dipped... Eitherways, Pazza Inter Amala. | ||
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DragoonPK
3259 Posts
On February 13 2012 08:23 Klive5ive wrote: ? Wait a minute they've only played 22 games out of 38. There's still a lot of football left to play. Yes they are definite favourites right now but it seems a little silly to proclaim them champions already. It is yeah, but with a 10 point lead, Madrid are way ahead. From the looks of it too, Barca will be focusing more and CL and finishing off the Cup. If Guardiola really wanted to win, he would have put Xavi or Iniesta on the pitch to strengthen Barca's chances. It seems to me, he is focusing more on CL since that's a tournament they can still realistically win. | ||
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
On February 13 2012 07:34 JPP wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 12 2012 20:44 Rebs wrote: He played a good game, by that logic the guy who scored 2 against Barca last night is now a Godly forward. He was a consistent starter in a team performing poorly. Heck its still performing poorly. These guys are contributing, it doesnt matter wether its bottom of the table (which it really isnt actually ? Do you even follow spanish football ?) Thiago I rate already above Wilshere playing roughly the same position at the moment. Theyve been getting pretty good time and theyve got the stats to show for it. The contributions are very telling go check them out. And please no more BS about how La liga is sub standard and what not, wether its shit teams or this teams or that teams. Arsenal have trouble beating anything really. Its no different to England. The likes of Tello and Cuenca are wingers and frankly serve a different purpose to what Wilshere does/did and more importantly they score goals. Hence the "in some ways". Wilshere dont get to many of those. Hell intangibles aside just look at the raw stats. Im not going to look them up for you but feel free to be surprised. Granted hes been injured all season and injury is unfortunate but thats not anyone elses problem really you cant feel sorry for to long about people getting injured its part and parcel of how your rated. If you arent fit to play then you are no good and your value as a player drops end of discussion. What you "did" is like saying Torres is a great forward because he scored lots of goals for liverpool. Unless it led to winning something, its not even a laurel let alone something worth resting on. The worst thing that couldve happened to him was the how much he had to play at his age in a breakthrough season and then after, its just not smart and it shows everytime Arsenal get a kid hobbling of over the years. Why you think Wengers so careful with Miyachi and Ox now. Sorry but any barca lineup with regular starters + Cuenca, Tello and Thiago on current form would thrash any Arsenal team with 3 Wilsheres (even at his best). And feel free to cut an Iniesta or Fabregas here or a Pedro there. Maybe theyll be found out if they play more, but not at the moment they are punching well above their supposed weight in a star studded team. Yes, I do follow spanish football. I've watched almost every match Barcelona have played this season. I've also watched every single Arsenal match in the last three years. I think I can make my own judgments based on that. Arsenal didn't win the league last year, but they weren't horrible either. You remember that in late February they were within couple of points from first place? And that was largely thanks to Wilshere's contributions. Bigger problems were the lack of a proper striker, and a unreliable defense. But we're not discussing his value for the team are we? We're discussing who is better. You said that Barca has several players in their reserves that are better and I disagree. Of course they score more goals, they are wingers. Wilshere is a playmaker. Playmakers don't necessarily need to score goals. As an Arsenal supporter I have seen many young players that have looked very promising in their initial appearances. But once they have to be relied on to play a major part every week, they suddenly don't look so good. Wilshere got thrust into a situation where he was asked to fill Fabregas' role and he did so with amazing consistency. I actually wanted to clarify this one that has been taken out of context a lot of times. I know spanish and he said he already had players in the B-team who are the same type as Wilshere. Yes he has a lot of midfielders , didn't need to sign anyone in that department. I know how that can be misinterpreted in translations though. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On February 13 2012 07:34 JPP wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 12 2012 20:44 Rebs wrote: He played a good game, by that logic the guy who scored 2 against Barca last night is now a Godly forward. He was a consistent starter in a team performing poorly. Heck its still performing poorly. These guys are contributing, it doesnt matter wether its bottom of the table (which it really isnt actually ? Do you even follow spanish football ?) Thiago I rate already above Wilshere playing roughly the same position at the moment. Theyve been getting pretty good time and theyve got the stats to show for it. The contributions are very telling go check them out. And please no more BS about how La liga is sub standard and what not, wether its shit teams or this teams or that teams. Arsenal have trouble beating anything really. Its no different to England. The likes of Tello and Cuenca are wingers and frankly serve a different purpose to what Wilshere does/did and more importantly they score goals. Hence the "in some ways". Wilshere dont get to many of those. Hell intangibles aside just look at the raw stats. Im not going to look them up for you but feel free to be surprised. Granted hes been injured all season and injury is unfortunate but thats not anyone elses problem really you cant feel sorry for to long about people getting injured its part and parcel of how your rated. If you arent fit to play then you are no good and your value as a player drops end of discussion. What you "did" is like saying Torres is a great forward because he scored lots of goals for liverpool. Unless it led to winning something, its not even a laurel let alone something worth resting on. The worst thing that couldve happened to him was the how much he had to play at his age in a breakthrough season and then after, its just not smart and it shows everytime Arsenal get a kid hobbling of over the years. Why you think Wengers so careful with Miyachi and Ox now. Sorry but any barca lineup with regular starters + Cuenca, Tello and Thiago on current form would thrash any Arsenal team with 3 Wilsheres (even at his best). And feel free to cut an Iniesta or Fabregas here or a Pedro there. Maybe theyll be found out if they play more, but not at the moment they are punching well above their supposed weight in a star studded team. Yes, I do follow spanish football. I've watched almost every match Barcelona have played this season. I've also watched every single Arsenal match in the last three years. I think I can make my own judgments based on that. Arsenal didn't win the league last year, but they weren't horrible either. You remember that in late February they were within couple of points from first place? And that was largely thanks to Wilshere's contributions. Bigger problems were the lack of a proper striker, and a unreliable defense. But we're not discussing his value for the team are we? We're discussing who is better. You said that Barca has several players in their reserves that are better and I disagree. Of course they score more goals, they are wingers. Wilshere is a playmaker. Playmakers don't necessarily need to score goals. As an Arsenal supporter I have seen many young players that have looked very promising in their initial appearances. But once they have to be relied on to play a major part every week, they suddenly don't look so good. Wilshere got thrust into a situation where he was asked to fill Fabregas' role and he did so with amazing consistency. And so have I. At Barcelona, its sink or swim and these kids are pretty much swimming already. For every Arsenal player that looked promising and failed in the long run barca have 2 or 3. These guys arent it, otherwise they wouldnt be getting contracts. I can count the ones who never made it out for you if you like, and they are doing very well in different leagues now. Arsenal have always been there or there abouts every season, Wilshere or no Wilshere. But they always flattered to deceive, only their fans actually naively believed they could actually win anything.They have missed him this season absolutely. But a playmaker that affects even less indirect passes than Arshavin had assists last year isnt much of a playmaker. Hes a great player sure, controls the midfield well, but hes as much of a playmaker as Alex Song afaic. Jury's still out for me. And I said "in some ways" they are better and one of those ways is value to a team goal scoring, assisting that sort of thing looking good on the pitch is nice and all but if you cant affect wins. Then you arent a better player in my book. You arent really world class are you, not yet anyway. Mind you they were reserves at the time the comment was supposedly made, now they are starters/bench I dont see Wilshere displacing anyone in that lineup and that doesnt make him a better player. | ||
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Ysellian
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