EPT2011-2012 football (soccer) thread - Page 133
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
On December 28 2011 20:27 zulu_nation8 wrote: those rumours are quite insulting to Arsenal !? because Cesc wanted back to one of the greatest clubs ever in which he was brought up? reason being that henry one of arsenals big legends went there to finally win the CL? Those are obviously no real reasons.. Arsenals relationship with barca isnt bad, is it? What are you talking about? (Or do u mean RvP is the last ''top'' player in Arsenals line up and bidding for him is ..) .. ? | ||
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aseq
Netherlands3991 Posts
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On December 26 2011 09:45 MaGic~PhiL wrote: I know I admire Henry more than most people (on this board anyway) but still, Henry definitely was a genius and not just a very good footballer. It's all just semantics really. I'm not sure I'd call him a genius either (because that word should be used as little as possible). What he was though was the best technical/finesse finisher the Premier League has ever seen. He was the difference between an Arsenal side that finishes 3rd/4th and an Arsenal side that goes a whole season not losing a single game. Better than Rooney, better than Van Persie, better than Torres. But I think Genius should go to those players that just break the mold. You can't even understand how they do what they do. | ||
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
On December 28 2011 21:32 Klive5ive wrote: It's all just semantics really. I'm not sure I'd call him a genius either (because that word should be used as little as possible). What he was though was the best technical/finesse finisher the Premier League has ever seen. He was the difference between an Arsenal side that finishes 3rd/4th and an Arsenal side that goes a whole season not losing a single game. Better than Rooney, better than Van Persie, better than Torres. But I think Genius should go to those players that just break the mold. You can't even understand how they do what they do. I'd argue that Bergkamp was as important as Henry for the success that Arsenal had in those days. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On December 28 2011 22:28 Twisted wrote: I'd argue that Bergkamp was as important as Henry for the success that Arsenal had in those days. Well the whole team was phenomenal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invincibles_(football) Bergkamp was very much at the end of his career by then (he only played 2 more seasons) and he scored 5 goals to Henry's 39. I think Henry was the most crucial player to that side. Granted he needed the other players around him too. | ||
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King.Crimson
Romania478 Posts
Also, i like Arsenal too as a team. And they are supposed to be one of Europe's powerhouses. Given the fact that they lost so many star players in recent years (Henry, Fabregas, Nasri), losing Robin would be a disaster. I'm all up for balance and the best players distributed to several teams, which is why i hope the Financial Fair Play law will come in effect soon. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Vin{MBL}
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28714 Posts
On December 28 2011 22:28 Twisted wrote: I'd argue that Bergkamp was as important as Henry for the success that Arsenal had in those days. firstly their periods of importance hardly even overlap. bergkamp was best pre-2000, henry absolutely dominated between 2001 and 2005-6. and second, arsenal was much more successful during henry's peak than during bergkamp's peak - largely attributed to henry. henry's 2003-2004 season is one of the best by any pl player ever, and that arsenal team is also the most dominant ever in PL. in terms of skill they're comparable, although very different players. but henry's 2003-2004 season was better than any season bergkamp ever had. | ||
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Tazza
Korea (South)1678 Posts
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MorningMusume11
United States3490 Posts
On December 29 2011 13:24 Tazza wrote: I don't get why people keep saying messi is the best of all time. Messi is one of the best players of all time, but he needs a certain setup. Until he wins a World Cup, there's no way he should be considered the best. look at his goal rate at Argentina, and his goal rate at Barca. Its because Barca has some of the best midfielders in the history of the game. I think xavi may be the best pure passer of all time. On the other hand, pele and maradonna would just take over games pretty much single-handedly. Clearly Emile Heskey >>> everyone you mentioned | ||
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Tazza
Korea (South)1678 Posts
On December 29 2011 14:04 MorningMusume11 wrote: Clearly Emile Heskey >>> everyone you mentioned http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS--nGLNqHA Oh yeah, Heskey is definitely the greatest of all time. He's so good that, its like he dropped from another planet. Maradona? Pele? Who are they again? That's why i didn't even mention his name in my post, because its universally agreed upon that he is the best, and everybody is fighting for second place. I hope you're trolling like i am | ||
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Valenius
United Kingdom1266 Posts
On December 29 2011 14:10 Tazza wrote: Oh yeah, Heskey is definitely the greatest of all time. He's so good that, its like he dropped from another planet. Maradona? Pele? Who are they again? That's why i didn't even mention his name in my post, because its universally agreed upon that he is the best, and everybody is fighting for second place. I hope you're trolling like i am Don't be ridiculous. Heskey is one of footballs all-time greats. The work-ethic, pace, vision and pure skill that this man has will likely never be surpassed. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28714 Posts
On December 29 2011 13:24 Tazza wrote: I don't get why people keep saying messi is the best of all time. Messi is one of the best players of all time, but he needs a certain setup. Until he wins a World Cup, there's no way he should be considered the best. look at his goal rate at Argentina, and his goal rate at Barca. Its because Barca has some of the best midfielders in the history of the game. I think xavi may be the best pure passer of all time. On the other hand, pele and maradonna would just take over games pretty much single-handedly. back in pele's day, and to some extent maradona, the world cup was the best/only way to actually compare football players. but that's not the case anymore, and wc shouldn't be given so much consideration when trying to gauge player skills. | ||
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
On December 29 2011 12:52 Liquid`Drone wrote: firstly their periods of importance hardly even overlap. bergkamp was best pre-2000, henry absolutely dominated between 2001 and 2005-6. and second, arsenal was much more successful during henry's peak than during bergkamp's peak - largely attributed to henry. henry's 2003-2004 season is one of the best by any pl player ever, and that arsenal team is also the most dominant ever in PL. in terms of skill they're comparable, although very different players. but henry's 2003-2004 season was better than any season bergkamp ever had. I stand corrected  . | ||
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
On December 29 2011 14:10 Tazza wrote: Oh yeah, Heskey is definitely the greatest of all time. He's so good that, its like he dropped from another planet. Maradona? Pele? Who are they again? That's why i didn't even mention his name in my post, because its universally agreed upon that he is the best, and everybody is fighting for second place. I hope you're trolling like i am Heskey is in fact the most underrated player in the world. If he would had play in a better team he'll be compared to the best players currently, like Messi or Joe cole. | ||
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Tazza
Korea (South)1678 Posts
On December 29 2011 21:25 Liquid`Drone wrote: back in pele's day, and to some extent maradona, the world cup was the best/only way to actually compare football players. but that's not the case anymore, and wc shouldn't be given so much consideration when trying to gauge player skills. I'm not just comparing world cup. Look at the south American cup(whatever they call it) this year. Messi isn't scoring because he doesn't have Xavi and iniesta. His goal scoring rate at international level is far below his rate at club level. Maybe I will change my mind when argentina starts winning, or if messi goes to another team and scores 50 goals per season like he does at barca. I know he is very young and has ample time to prove me wrong. But right now, pele and maradona were better imo | ||
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Tazza
Korea (South)1678 Posts
On December 30 2011 04:52 ilj.psa wrote: Heskey is in fact the most underrated player in the world. If he would had play in a better team he'll be compared to the best players currently, like Messi or Joe cole. Being the most underrated player doesn't make him the best. Are u really saying he'd be equal to pele, maradona, or messi? heskie might be a great player, but he doesn't belong inthe conversation of GOAT | ||
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Ko1tz
France493 Posts
I'm posting this again lol, most underrated player in the history of football IMO PS: Tried finding better footage but it is almost impossible, quality is quite bad. | ||
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