EPTOn December 21 2011 07:40 MorningMusume11 wrote:
BOLTON WON ZOMG, BOLTON WON
Owen Coyle does not deserve to get relegated
BOLTON WON ZOMG, BOLTON WON
Owen Coyle does not deserve to get relegated
Nice to see we have fans across the pond
2011-2012 football (soccer) thread - Page 129
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Aristodemus
England1999 Posts
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Pads
England3228 Posts
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On December 22 2011 05:51 sixfour wrote: Weird shit going on in the Dutch Cup, AZ keeper sent off vs Ajax after kicking a fan who ran on the field and attacked him, now AZ refuse to continue the game Well Huntelaar just got him self sent off in german cup for insulting linesman (yellow) and than applauding for the yellow card-> 2nd yellow. Coincidence? | ||
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Mithriel
Netherlands2969 Posts
Some hobo retarded Ajax fan ran onto field and tried to kick goalie, he missed, goalie kicked the fan and got send of with a red card... after which his entire team was like "fuck this shit" and went of the field... I'm an Ajax supporter, but this is retarded and those "so-called-fans" should be banned for an eternity and AZ should get free pass to next round... unbelievable. Here's the scene from dutch TV (with dutch commentary, but it shows the footage) | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
Also yes, I agree a lifetime ban for the "fan" is justified. But no, under no circumstances should a player kick somebody lying on the gound. This is unsportsmanlike behavior. Red Card. Regardless of this, I would say replay if the "fan" was from the away team and attacked the home team, default win if the "fan" was from the home team and attacked the away team. That is however to be decided after the game. Pulling the team before the end is an even more severe violation of the rules than kicking somebody. Therefore default win for the team that stayed on the pitch. Kicking this "fan" was not self defense once he laid on the pitch. One man being an idiot doesn't give you a free pass to do whatever you want to him. | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
As an Ajax fan I'd say that the game should continue from the moment they stopped the game but without the red card. Yes it's bad that the goalkeeper kicked the attacker when he was on the ground but most people would react the same way when you're being attacked. Either continue without red-card or just give AZ the win. | ||
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Hekisui
195 Posts
Guessing from what the regulations are, as I haven't studied them, I think both teams should be DQed. AZ because they refused to play on and Ajax because of misconduct by someone from their supporters. If you can nullify a red card by walking off the pitch and thus being allowed to replay with match with the red card being withdrawn that would severely damage the integrity of the game. Teams would walk off the pitch in many many matches. CL finals? Postponed because team walks out. WC finals? Same. You can't have that so refusing to play on should be punished. AZ made up the excuse they refused to play on because of security. But that is a lie. Refusal was because of disagreement over the red card. And watching the replay the GK clearly went crazy and kicked the guy that ran up the pitch twice while he was on the ground. And if he hadn't been retrained by his teammates he would have attacked the ref too. Normally that is a 4 match suspension but I think in this case you can reduce it to two because of the circumstances. | ||
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On December 22 2011 10:39 Hekisui wrote: You can't continue a match but magically whisk away a red or yellow card, or a goal or a sub or start with a different lineup. The rules don't allow it and it would be silly anyway. Guessing from what the regulations are, as I haven't studied them, I think both teams should be DQed. AZ because they refused to play on and Ajax because of misconduct by someone from their supporters. If you can nullify a red card by walking off the pitch and thus being allowed to replay with match with the red card being withdrawn that would severely damage the integrity of the game. Teams would walk off the pitch in many many matches. CL finals? Postponed because team walks out. WC finals? Same. You can't have that so refusing to play on should be punished. AZ made up the excuse they refused to play on because of security. But that is a lie. Refusal was because of disagreement over the red card. And watching the replay the GK clearly went crazy and kicked the guy that ran up the pitch twice while he was on the ground. And if he hadn't been retrained by his teammates he would have attacked the ref too. Normally that is a 4 match suspension but I think in this case you can reduce it to two because of the circumstances. This post makes a lot of sense, I presumed that the goalie originally just like casually threw a kick at the guy which I think wouldn't matter but the Goalkeeper from the looks of it went batshit insane and proper went in for the kicks. I think it warrants the red card in this situation. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28714 Posts
I don't mind suspension of esteban tho, he's just kicking the guy to hurt him, not as part of his self-defence or whatever. I also think that a default az victory because a supporter managed to get on the field might be.. excessive, and not a good precedence. prolly plenty of supporters that'd be willing to pretend to support the other team and attack the referee/a player in an attempt at winning an important game. and saying that security is the responsibility of the home team, well, streakers are pretty damn hard to keep off the field, and these guys are just malicious streakers. but at the same time, some outcome has to be reached.. and while a solution like "replay match from the stoppage point without esteban being sent off" might seem fair, it's an exceptionally arbitrary way of ruling. I dunno what I think myself honestly - az being given win (for security reasons?), ajax being given win (az forfeited) and replaying match from stoppage point with esteban still being red carded all seem fairly viable, although there are definitely valid arguments against either option. funny nws picture of a streaker being properly handled by a goalkeeper inside spoiler + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/4/48/481/481787/bakke_streaker_osthuus_1162573440.jpg) | ||
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hns
Germany609 Posts
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Arunu
Netherlands111 Posts
Ajax will most likely go on i think under the rule of AZ forfeit. It's a weird rule in my opinion that when some idiot attacks you and you retaliate (which pretty much anyone would do ) you get a red card. I know they are to behave as sportsmanlike athletes but come on, he almost get's jumped, ofcourse he's gonna react. smart ? no understandable ?, very much so | ||
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Hekisui
195 Posts
On December 22 2011 18:18 Arunu wrote: agreed , but probably will not happen. Ajax will most likely go on i think under the rule of AZ forfeit. It's a weird rule in my opinion that when some idiot attacks you and you retaliate (which pretty much anyone would do ) I have seen quite some people say that and that scares me profoundly. Now most likely people like you are lying most of the time. But still some are not and their number is quite big. Doesn't make me feel safe in the Netherlands anymore. | ||
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Arunu
Netherlands111 Posts
On December 22 2011 18:29 Hekisui wrote: I have seen quite some people say that and that scares me profoundly. Now most likely people like you are lying most of the time. But still some are not and their number is quite big. Doesn't make me feel safe in the Netherlands anymore. ? How so ? You'll just have to trust me that i don't lie most of the time. I don't feel it's that odd that when someone jumps you, you react. just a natural response, if you mean this particular example then maybe i can relate to what you say. he avoided the guy and kicked him when he was down , i indeed probably would not have done that. but i definately would have responded if the guy actually attacked me. and the Netherlands is a relatively safe place from my experience at least. So, i assume that was the difference that made you respond like that ? | ||
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Stimp
South Africa780 Posts
On December 22 2011 07:39 Ysellian wrote: Esteban lost his head which is perfectly normal given the situation. You can't expect him to keep his cool and this is a perfect case of fuck the rules. Hell if the "fan" did this to a player like Pepe he would be dead. Playing on after such an incident would be insane and the coach made the right decision. If anything this situation teaches us is how inept referees are at judging situations and in no way should the away team get punished for a home team's fan. Even if you don't like Pepe you must know that this is a very silly comment to make. | ||
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Raff
Germany49 Posts
- liftetime ban for the hooligan, from any stadium in the netherlands/europe - fine the goalkeeper - rematch at ajax without fans or default win for AZ If I would have been that Goaly, i would have pulled a Cantona before he hit the Ground. What an Idiot(The "Fan"). | ||
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smr
Germany4808 Posts
On December 22 2011 19:16 Raff wrote: best solution in my imho: - liftetime ban for the hooligan, from any stadium in the netherlands/europe - fine the goalkeeper - rematch at ajax without fans or default win for AZ If I would have been that Goaly, i would have pulled a Cantona before he hit the Ground. What an Idiot(The "Fan"). I agree with you bar the default win for AZ. In my opinion the best solution would be a rematch. If Ajax gets a forfeit win that would feel very wrong in this situation and if AZ gets a default win I can only imagine how many stupid fans dress up as the opponent in a important match to influence it because it "worked" this one time. | ||
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
On December 22 2011 12:58 Liquid`Drone wrote: I don't mind suspension of esteban tho, he's just kicking the guy to hurt him, not as part of his self-defence or whatever I'm guessing you've never been jumped or whatever. GK doesn't know if the guy has a knife or anything, in that spot when they're down you make sure they stay down, in the split second or so from when the guy recognizes that he's being attacked to the steward yanking him, it's just instinctive | ||
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Switchy
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