EPTImo the biggestthing lol has going for it besides f2p is learning curve....i went like 30-2 in my first few games and still havent had a negative k/d game compared to getting crushed when u first start playing dota/hon.... Its a lot more casual friendly and easy to pick up compared to the rest of the genre.
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antelope591
Canada820 Posts
Imo the biggestthing lol has going for it besides f2p is learning curve....i went like 30-2 in my first few games and still havent had a negative k/d game compared to getting crushed when u first start playing dota/hon.... Its a lot more casual friendly and easy to pick up compared to the rest of the genre. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
As far as champion design goes, champions actually feel individually weak which sort of makes it seem like there's more of an emphasis on team-play, particularly at high levels, but in all honesty, the team aspect is no more defined that in a game such as DotA or HoN. I feel like the method of design is very standard with each champion being defined by their roles which leads to redundancy within a role since every champion sort of does the same thing within it's role with a different flavor. I think the niche style is better for competitive play, but the general style could be better for spectatorship since you only need to understand 6-7 roles instead of every niche hero. That doesn't really matter though because watching competitive League of Legends right now is comparable to watching paint dry, particularly for the first 10 minutes. There's little flare and not many events where someone straight up out-skills someone else, there are few direct comparable interactions in lane, there isn't really a whole lot of action and the kill-count is generally low... and Flash... oh... fucking... Flash. I remember when they said they were going to fix/remove it... That was almost 8 months ago. Then we see Dreamhack and every single player is running Flash, players are dropping and games are continuing with teams a man down(no pause function), commentators gloss over it and no re-game, recently released champions are allowed and seen in a massive amount of games(Hi, I'm Vayne), players talk essentially about being out-picked and games being over at champion selection. I dunno, it's a very successful game, but I saw WCG and wasn't excited as a spectator, I saw Ionia vs Noxus and the game was one-sided as hell with atrocious commentary, I saw Dreamhack and it was a snore-fest. I think competitive League of Legends has nothing going for it right now to be honest. Still a fun game though. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
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B.I.G.
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On July 27 2011 01:31 ScArY_ wrote: Why dont you also name some of the Cons. That a lot of bad players play this game, -obviously-, people who don't even speak english, people who flame, who rage, who swear etc etc etc.. Many bugs. The game is imbalanced. Everytime a major bug appears, they claim that they have fixed it but another one appears. I used to play LOL, i stopped because i was playing ranked games with people who were unmannered and unskilled. You are allowed to be a newbie but please, dont play ranked, go normal. well thats funny because I quit playing HoN and DotA because people were so verbally abusive it just made me feel frustrated. i mean honestly man every single freaking game somebody would insult my mother in the most horrible ways. This has yet to happen to me in LoL. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9173 Posts
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marvin.
United States469 Posts
On July 27 2011 06:11 B.I.G. wrote: well thats funny because I quit playing HoN and DotA because people were so verbally abusive it just made me feel frustrated. i mean honestly man every single freaking game somebody would insult my mother in the most horrible ways. This has yet to happen to me in LoL. Pretty much all the cons Scary listed happen in every game. I've been playing LoL for maybe just less than a year now, and I cannot relate to what he is saying about bugs. There haven't been any bugs worthy of speaking of. The biggest criticism IMO would be the d/c issue in tournaments and the server instability around patch time, but despite these bugs LoL is still quite enjoyable for a very large number of people. Compared to the dota/hon community, I'd have to say LoL is definitely more friendly. The general experience in game is a lot more accepting than the other games. Ranked games can get quite heated, but still it's not worse than HoN or Dota. Also, I know a lot of real life and internet friends who play normal games almost exclusively. With LoL constantly adding in new content and having pretty good interaction with the community in terms of balancing and such, there's lots of playability to be had since they always have the gamer in mind. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On July 27 2011 06:11 B.I.G. wrote: well thats funny because I quit playing HoN and DotA because people were so verbally abusive it just made me feel frustrated. i mean honestly man every single freaking game somebody would insult my mother in the most horrible ways. This has yet to happen to me in LoL. I have to assume you're not playing ranked games then... I honestly feel that anyone who says one community is better to play with than the other is mistaken, when it comes to ranked play, both games have equally obnoxious communities. | ||
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Redlol
United States181 Posts
On July 27 2011 06:18 Mordiford wrote: I honestly feel that anyone who says one community is better to play with than the other is mistaken, when it comes to ranked play, both games have equally obnoxious communities. Yes. People need to realize this, the community of LoL is garbage, but it's no worse(or better) than any other MOBA's(I hate that word, but it fit best here). I play LoL because I enjoy it more than HoN or DoTA, the ladder system is relatively well done. There do need to be more incentives for early game combat, the sit back and farm style can result in boring early games. The team play into the midgame is breathtaking though, the way the top teams work together to really control the map is awesome to watch. | ||
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seoul_kiM
United States545 Posts
If DOTA2 were to come out and it was free-to-play, I'd be worried if I were League of Legends because Valve does not beat around the bush when it comes to making games. Their last successful game had a monopoly on the PC-FPS genre for many years (counter-strike 1.6, source) AND those were pay-to-play. I stopped playing league of legends because I thought it was too noob friendly and made the game very boring to play although, pretty exciting to watch. There was no penalty for dying, no denying creeps, and etc. Lot of people who I still sit in ventrilo with play League of Legends and enter small online tournaments and such. They also buy those riot points and give League of Legends good business so I feel like their business strategy has worked pretty well to the average gamer. The successes of the game cannot be overlooked but I think that it was inevitable when DOTA took a plunge and a free-to-play DOTA that was easy to play came out. Also, League of Legends started out as a really friendly community as many of you have said but I feel like it has taken a real plunge for the worst as many trolls are doing that annoying crap and gloating about it on youtube and people are smurfing and talking trash to newer players. With any game that gains overnight celebrity status, the cons also come rolling in. | ||
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shawster
Canada2485 Posts
On July 27 2011 06:27 seoul_kiM wrote: It's pretty good for a free game but I wonder what's going to happen when DOTA 2 comes out. League of Legends has a pretty strong string of competition in their AoS genre with HoN, DOTA, and Bloodline Champions but I feel like its viewership comes from the game's free-to-play nature. If DOTA2 were to come out and it was free-to-play, I'd be worried if I were League of Legends because Valve does not beat around the bush when it comes to making games. Their last successful game had a monopoly on the PC-FPS genre for many years (counter-strike 1.6, source) AND those were pay-to-play. I stopped playing league of legends because I thought it was too noob friendly and made the game very boring to play although, pretty exciting to watch. There was no penalty for dying, no denying creeps, and etc. Lot of people who I still sit in ventrilo with play League of Legends and enter small online tournaments and such. They also buy those riot points and give League of Legends good business so I feel like their business strategy has worked pretty well to the average gamer. The successes of the game cannot be overlooked but I think that it was inevitable when DOTA took a plunge and a free-to-play DOTA that was easy to play came out. Also, League of Legends started out as a really friendly community as many of you have said but I feel like it has taken a real plunge for the worst as many trolls are doing that annoying crap and gloating about it on youtube and people are smurfing and talking trash to newer players. With any game that gains overnight celebrity status, the cons also come rolling in. i'm not worried. i guarantee you at least 50% of the lol population are lol players, and strictly lol players. elo and past dota experience correlate positively probably, but they can make so much money off the bottom % of people since so many people are below 1300 some of the lol memes annoy me, and it's so trolley and memey there. lol community feels alot like reddit/tumblr | ||
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Fraidnot
United States824 Posts
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On July 27 2011 03:25 Haemonculus wrote: Yuuuup... I can't stand games being casted by Phreak or Grackis. Painful to watch t.t Someone need to emphasis how bad Phreak and Grackis is some more.. Atleast Phreak can speed commentate, grackis is just painful to hear at... They should just make TreeEskimo and Zenon commentate everything (yes, I am a secret zenon fanboy) On July 27 2011 06:18 Mordiford wrote: I have to assume you're not playing ranked games then... I honestly feel that anyone who says one community is better to play with than the other is mistaken, when it comes to ranked play, both games have equally obnoxious communities. League of Legends is softcore BM compared to what shit you have to go through when playing dota... | ||
KwarK
United States43990 Posts
On July 27 2011 05:28 Haemonculus wrote: This might be slightly off topic, but am I the only one who finds the term "ESPOOARRTTSSS" downright retarded? And why is it always capitalized? Where did this come from? Statements like "YOU"RE HURTING ESPORTS" just confuse me and usually elicit a giggle or two. ESPORTS is a tongue in cheek joke. e-Sports is what we use when we're serious. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On July 27 2011 06:47 Iplaythings wrote: Someone need to emphasis how bad Phreak and Grackis is some more.. Atleast Phreak can speed commentate, grackis is just painful to hear at... They should just make TreeEskimo and Zenon commentate everything (yes, I am a secret zenon fanboy) League of Legends is softcore BM compared to what shit you have to go through when playing dota... I disagree, I've dealt with idiots who were just as obnoxious in League of Legend's ranked games as I remember the morons from DotA being, and no less annoying than those of Heroes of Newerth. | ||
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bigjenk
United States1543 Posts
On July 27 2011 01:31 ScArY_ wrote: Why dont you also name some of the Cons. That a lot of bad players play this game, -obviously-, people who don't even speak english, people who flame, who rage, who swear etc etc etc.. Many bugs. The game is imbalanced. Everytime a major bug appears, they claim that they have fixed it but another one appears. I used to play LOL, i stopped because i was playing ranked games with people who were unmannered and unskilled. You are allowed to be a newbie but please, dont play ranked, go normal. Dota was so balanced the first 5 years... Shit lol is about as balanced now as hon/dota is and that is an 8 year old game. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On July 27 2011 07:01 bigjenk wrote: Dota was so balanced the first 5 years... Shit lol is about as balanced now as hon/dota is and that is an 8 year old game. I disagree. I think there are some fundamental issues with the balance in League of Legends, I also think Riot's approach to balancing is somewhat flawed. Also, when I personally refer to DotA, I'm mainly referring to IceFrog era DotA which was essentially completely re-geared for competitive play as opposed to previous versions which were ridiculously broken and imbalanced, it was a gradual process but it got there and ended up in a good enough place pretty quickly. | ||
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tdynasty
Canada220 Posts
I'm not gonna deny, the numbers are outstanding, but personally that type of game is not my thing. I'd rather play an RTS that is probably 100% more challenging to be efficient. Considering LoL is like playing wow with just a few hotkeys. | ||
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Rkuro
United States43 Posts
IMHO I would say a decent analogy for Starcraft players would be something like... DOTA:League of legends BW: SC2 While you move on and play the newer version, nothing can compare to the magic of the original  | ||
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Eliwood5837
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Gliche
United States811 Posts
Nice numbers, Riot. The most epic competition isn't going to be on a tournament stage. It's going to come from LoL vs. DOTA 2. I am soooo excited and interested in what Valve is going to try to pull to make DOTA 2 a success. They better have a jaw-dropping game with the most ridiculously amazing marketing campaign ever to unseat LoL from the looks of things. I feel like Valve is going to have a real war on its hands. Just how do you beat a FREE game that already has a huge head start on you in the scene? Show me your moves, Valve. Show me your moves. | ||
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