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TehForce
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qrs
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Analysis (mine and others') of position after 16. Re1 (Neatly formatted with diagrams, explanatory text, and links to further analysis.) After 16. Re1, White is threatening e4 with two pieces (Knight and Rook), while Black only has the one pawn for defense. Thus White threatens to win a pawn with 17. Nxe4 dxe4 18. Rxe4. Here are Black's possible responses, ordered by likelihood as I see it. + Show Spoiler [16...Nd6] + Suggested by greggy. Immediate purpose: vacates e4. + Show Spoiler [position] + After 16. Re1 Nd6 ![]() White to play Cons:
Ways we might take advantage of this move:
Assessment: Probably Black's best option, in my opinion, but nonetheless allows us a nice amount of room to continue to make progress. Further analysis: by greggy (17. Nf1). + Show Spoiler [16...Nxd2] + Suggested by jdseemoreglass. Immediate purpose: vacates e4/counters to our Knight. Here, assuming that we want our Knight back and we don't want to abandon our b2 pawn to the tender mercies of Black's Rook, 17. Nxd2 appears forced. + Show Spoiler [position] + After 16. Re1 Nxd2 17. Nxd2 ![]() Black to play Cons (of this 16th move for Black):
Possible Black follow-ups (drawn from previously thematic Black moves):
Assessment: Although it seems better than many of Black's other options, because exchanging the Knight takes so much pressure off of our position, I feel that 16... Nxd2 is to our advantage and that Black will not play it. Further analysis: by lightman (17...Ba6). + Show Spoiler [16...Bb7] + Suggested by mastergriggy and A-tan. Immediate purpose: adds a defender to e4. + Show Spoiler [position] + After 16. Re1 Bb7 ![]() White to play Cons:
Ways we might take advantage of this move:
Assessment: Because 16...Bb7 gives us the chance to safely play b4, I feel that it is to our advantage and that Black will not play it. Further analysis: by A-tan (17. Nxe4). + Show Spoiler [16...Ng5] + Immediate purpose: vacates e4. + Show Spoiler [position] + After 16. Re1 Ng5 ![]() White to play Cons: Seemingly combines the disadvantages of 16...f5 and 16...Nxd2 in that after 17. Nxg5 fxg5 18. Nf3 (probably with tempo, as it attacks the g5 pawn),
+ Show Spoiler [position] + After 16. Re1 Ng5 17. Nxg5 fxg5 18. Nf3 ![]() Black to play Assessment: Because it appears to give up most of Black's pressure on us for no discernable advantage, I'm fairly sure that Black will not play it. + Show Spoiler [16...c5?!] + Probably the most aggressive of Black's plausible responses to 16. Re1, but also the most dubious after 16...f5?. Immediate purpose: counter-attacks our d4 pawn. + Show Spoiler [position] + After 16. Re1 c5 ![]() White to play Cons: allows us to win a second pawn. Ways we might take advantage of this move:
17...dxe4 recapturing the Knight: forced 18. Rxe4 taking the pawn 18....Bb7 skewering the Re4 and the Nf3 (the two defenders of d4) 19. Rf4 moving the Rook to a place whence it defends the d-pawn and the Nf3, and threatens the f6 pawn (restraining Black from moving his Be7). + Show Spoiler [position] + After 16. Re1 c5 17. Nxe4 dxe4 18. Rxe4 Bb7 19. Rf4 ![]() Black to play
Assessment: I'm sure that Ng5 would love to play this move, if there were a way to make it work, but I don't think there is. + Show Spoiler [16...f5?] + Immediate purpose: adds a defender to e4. + Show Spoiler [position] + After 16. Re1 f5 ![]() White to play Cons:
Ways we might take advantage of this move:
+ Show Spoiler [position] + After 16. Re1 f5 17. Ne5+ ![]() Black to play + Show Spoiler [17...Kd6/Kd8] + 18. Nf7+ King{somewhere} 19. Nxh8 wins the Rook (although Black will eventually capture the Knight). + Show Spoiler [17...Ke6/Ke8] + 18. Nc6 threatening the Rb8 18... Rook{somewhere} 19. Nxe7 Kxe7 20. f3 attacking the Knight who is pinned to the King, winning the Knight. (Variations involving ...Nxd2 are possible, but make little difference to the result.) Assessment: 16...f5 is a losing move for Black. + Show Spoiler [Thematic moves] + Short descriptions of a few moves that seem to be generally thematic in this position, some of which are not covered directly in the above analyses. They're worth keeping in mind as ideas to try out in whatever line you happen to be looking at:
At this point, having spent so long analyzing this 16th move, which is looking good to me as well as leading the vote, I may as well throw in for it. Vote: 16. Re1 | ||
qrs
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Move 16 Votes + Show Spoiler [Voters] + 16. b4: 7 (hype[NZ], 16. Re1: 15 (Malli, dtvu, wuBu, sGs.Kal_rA, lightman, Raysalis, shackes, keyStorm, TehForce, wizard944, mastergriggy, GenesisX, SheaR619, Blazinghand, qrs) 16. Nxe4: 2 (jdseemoreglass, aphorism, ![]() Offering draw: 1 of 43 active team members. | ||
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qrs
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On October 17 2011 01:17 jdseemoreglass wrote: Thanks for the compliment: it's quite appreciated, especially from the guy who's been doing some of our best analysis all game long. Amazing write up as always qrs. Thanks for putting in the effort. ![]() ![]() | ||
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mastergriggy
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chesshaha
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+ Show Spoiler + I was busy this weekend, just a quick look. I think Re1 is the best move right now. If 15. ... Bxf6, I would be playing Nxe4, but I don't think it is good because of dxe 17. nd2 f5. Seems pretty even right now | ||
Ng5
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I will do the work a little later. I won't insta-reply this time anyway. <3 -me | ||
qrs
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Move 16 Votes + Show Spoiler [Voters] + 16. b4: 7 (hype[NZ], 16. Re1: 20 (Malli, dtvu, wuBu, sGs.Kal_rA, lightman, Raysalis, shackes, keyStorm, TehForce, wizard944, mastergriggy, GenesisX, SheaR619, Blazinghand, qrs, Ikari, Mash2, Soluhwin, Psilver, chesshaha) 16. Nxe4: 3 (jdseemoreglass, aphorism, ![]() Offering draw: 1 of 43 active team members. (Blazinghand) | ||
qrs
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Fortunately, we can be pretty confident that Black will play one of 16...Bb7, 16...Nxd2, or 16...Nb6 (I no longer think I can rank them in order of likelihood). Furthermore, after 16...Nxd2, our next move is forced, so we really only have to consider two possibilities if we want to be prepared for the next vote. Sometime later, maybe I'll try to do a fuller write-up about the ideas in the position. For now, I just want to point out one move that I think we should give strong consideration to playing in the near future--perhaps as early as next move. + Show Spoiler [key move] + Rb1 The more I analyzed our position, the more important this move came to seem. It's a critical move for many reasons: Why Rb1?
It may seem like these reasons are all more or less the same, and I'm just trying to make one idea look like many by subdividing it into more or less equivalent cases. That's not really true, though. Rather, the various bullet points correspond to various situations we might find ourselves in, depending on how the game develops. There are cases where we have a Knight on b3 and might want to keep it there. There are cases where we have a pawn on b4 and might want to keep it there. There are cases where we might want to play b5, if we had the chance. There are cases where we have decided to move the pawn to b3 but might want the Nd2 to be free to move. There are cases where we have decided to move the Bishop to b2 but might want the b- pawn free to capture without leaving the Bishop exposed and undefended to attack. In all of these various cases, a Rook on b1 can play a crucial role for us. Why didn't we consider this earlier? In other lines, the move seemed problematic, as it exposed the Rook to attack via ...Ba6 Re1 Bd3, forcing the Rb1 right back where it came from. In that situation, Rb1 seemed like a waste of time, at best. 16. Re1 has changed the situation, however. Black cannot play ...Ba6 immediately without losing a pawn, so we have gained a critical tempo. At this point, ...Bd3 is no longer something we have to worry about. Suddenly, Rb1 becomes worth looking at. Rb1 may be a useful move, but we have other useful moves we want to play. Why should Rb1 be first? For a couple of reasons:
The above general reasons aren't substitutes for analysis. For example, b4 is another move that we may want to prioritize in some lines, in order to play it before Black can play ...a5. So I'm not saying that Rb1 should definitely be the next move we play. I'm saying that it should have an important place in your analysis for next move. Hopefully the reasoning above gives sufficient justification. | ||
qrs
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On October 14 2011 14:49 mastergriggy wrote: + Show Spoiler [re first line] +Analysis of Re1: (note: this is currently not my move, but I thought I'd take a look at it in all fairness) + Show Spoiler + 16. Re1 looks like a very strong move. It somewhat defeats the purpose of Ba6, as well as wins a pawn in the case Black doesn't react. Main Line: 16. Re1 Bb7 17. b4 (prevents c5 which seems to be black's major threat) ...Rhg8 and then white moves: + Show Spoiler [18. Nxe4] + ...dxe4 19. Nh4 (Nd2 e3 20. Rxe3 Rxg2) Ke6 20. Bf4 Bd6 + Show Spoiler [Diagram] + ![]() looks fairly even--I think white gets to exchange the bishop pair for a very hard to defend isolated d-pawn. I'm thinking white has the advantage in this line though (white's best move?) + Show Spoiler [18. Nb3] + ...I'm having trouble finding a good response for black. 18...Nc3 looks good, but after Bf4 and Rac1 it is rather meaningless. 18...Ba6 (I'm starting to notice a common theme) leads to lines I posted earlier but with a tempi up for white, and since those lines were favorable for white, I can only suspect these ones will be too. 18...Bc6 is interesting. The idea being that it lets black gain some room on the queen side. 19. Be3 (Bf4 Rg4 21. Be3, so let's skip that move and just play Be3 directly--same for Bh6) Ba4 20. Nc5+ Nxc5 21. bxc5 + Show Spoiler [Diagram] + ![]() I honestly have no idea who is ahead at this point. White has the extra pawn and Black the Bishop Pair. I do, however, believe this is black's best response to Nb3. + Show Spoiler [18. Bb2] + ...Rg7 19. Nf1 Rbg8 20. Ne3 Nd6 21. Nd2 f5 22. f4 Ne4 23. Nf3 and black can't break through. + Show Spoiler [Diagram] + ![]() Assuming white can hold and I didn't miss anything, it appears that white is very ahead. Another alternative line 18...Bd6 19. Nb3 Rbe8 20. Nc5+ Nxc5 21. bxc5 Bf4 looks bad for white. So instead let's play 20. Nh4 Ng5 21. Rxe8 (21. Nf4 Nc3+ wins the exchange) Kxe8 22. Nc5 (Nf4 leads to a literal draw or white a lost of material)...Bc8 doesn't look as good for white anymore either. + Show Spoiler [Diagram] + ![]() And that's all I got. On a side note, thanks Qrs for inspiring me to try to make my posts look neat and organized ![]() + Show Spoiler [18. Nxe4] + Suppose instead 20...f5, discovering an attack on the Knight from the Be7. I can't see how White hopes to save it. The Knight has nowhere to run, g3 is useless because the g-pawn is pinned, and Bg3 fails to ...f4. We can grab a pawn with 21. Bxc7, but after 21... Rbc8, we're in the same boat as before: two pieces are under attack and one of them has to fall. As far as I see, we end up losing a piece for two pawns, and Black still has the Bishop pair. ...dxe4 19. Nh4 (Nd2 e3 20. Rxe3 Rxg2) Ke6 20. Bf4 Bd6 + Show Spoiler [Diagram] + ![]() looks fairly even--I think white gets to exchange the bishop pair for a very hard to defend isolated d-pawn. I'm thinking white has the advantage in this line though (white's best move?) This line I like better, but what if instead of your 17th move, Black gets straight to the point with 17...a5? Originally, I thought that we could respond with 18. b5, but after 18...a4 cuts it off, it looks like we'll end up losing the b-pawn. If so, bxa5 seems to be all but forced, although we can stall with Rb1. After 18. bxa5, your (18)...Rhg8 looks quite a bit scarier (18. Rb1 Rhg8 19. bxa5 transposes). On October 16 2011 03:50 A-tan wrote: What about + Show Spoiler [mastergriggy's move] +As for 16. Re1 + Show Spoiler + ...3)17. b4 (probably best move) a5 18. bxa5 Ba8 19. Nxe4 dxe4 20. Nd2 f5 21. Nc4 looks maybe okay for white? (not sure) ...Rhg8 It's beginning to look to me that + Show Spoiler [move we've been dying to play] + b4 we have to resign ourselves to being unable to stop Black from playing ...c5. b3 | ||
jdseemoreglass
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If he plays Nxd2, our response is pretty obvious. Therefore, the only possibilities which we need to analyze at the moment are either Nd6 or Bb7. A quick look at everything else and I don't see anything decent. + Show Spoiler + If black play Bb7, I think we can take another look at the move b4. The situation is significantly changed now that the bishop not only blocks the b-rook, but also no longer guards the a6-f1 diagonal. Since the bishop has the left f5 diagonal, perhaps we can also consider Nh4 here? If black plays Nd6, b4 is also a little stronger than it was before because the knight can no longer jump to c3, and because the dark-squared bishop is blocked. Perhaps we can also look at the Nb1-Nc3 maneuver. | ||
qrs
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On October 18 2011 10:03 jdseemoreglass wrote: + Show Spoiler +f5 looks terrible for black. If he plays Nxd2, our response is pretty obvious. Therefore, the only possibilities which we need to analyze at the moment are either Nd6 or Bb7. A quick look at everything else and I don't see anything decent. + Show Spoiler + If black play Bb7, I think we can take another look at the move b4. The situation is significantly changed now that the bishop not only blocks the b-rook, but also no longer guards the a6-f1 diagonal. Since the bishop has the left f5 diagonal, perhaps we can also consider Nh4 here? If black plays Nd6, b4 is also a little stronger than it was before because the knight can no longer jump to c3, and because the dark-squared bishop is blocked. Perhaps we can also look at the Nb1-Nc3 maneuver. See my post above yours for 17. b4 after Black plays 16...Bb7. It may not be altogether refuted, but it doesn't make me at all comfortable. Black can still pry open the b-file with ...a5, and he still has a lot of pressure on us after ...Rhg8. I'm beginning to favour the b3 plan after 16...Bb7. If 16...Nd6, then b4 might be more viable, partly because the Knight can no longer jump to c3, as you said, and partly because ...c5 is not much of a threat anymore. Your idea of using the Nb1-c3 maneuver here also looks like it may have promise. Overall, I'm starting to think that 16...Bb7 may be Black's strongest move after all, because it keeps up the pressure on us by maintaining the Knight on e4. If nothing else, it's in Ng5's style. If I had to guess, I'd pick 16...Bb7 as the move we're going to face. | ||
mastergriggy
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On October 18 2011 06:38 qrs wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On October 14 2011 14:49 mastergriggy wrote: + Show Spoiler [re first line] +Analysis of Re1: (note: this is currently not my move, but I thought I'd take a look at it in all fairness) + Show Spoiler + 16. Re1 looks like a very strong move. It somewhat defeats the purpose of Ba6, as well as wins a pawn in the case Black doesn't react. Main Line: 16. Re1 Bb7 17. b4 (prevents c5 which seems to be black's major threat) ...Rhg8 and then white moves: + Show Spoiler [18. Nxe4] + ...dxe4 19. Nh4 (Nd2 e3 20. Rxe3 Rxg2) Ke6 20. Bf4 Bd6 + Show Spoiler [Diagram] + ![]() looks fairly even--I think white gets to exchange the bishop pair for a very hard to defend isolated d-pawn. I'm thinking white has the advantage in this line though (white's best move?) + Show Spoiler [18. Nb3] + ...I'm having trouble finding a good response for black. 18...Nc3 looks good, but after Bf4 and Rac1 it is rather meaningless. 18...Ba6 (I'm starting to notice a common theme) leads to lines I posted earlier but with a tempi up for white, and since those lines were favorable for white, I can only suspect these ones will be too. 18...Bc6 is interesting. The idea being that it lets black gain some room on the queen side. 19. Be3 (Bf4 Rg4 21. Be3, so let's skip that move and just play Be3 directly--same for Bh6) Ba4 20. Nc5+ Nxc5 21. bxc5 + Show Spoiler [Diagram] + ![]() I honestly have no idea who is ahead at this point. White has the extra pawn and Black the Bishop Pair. I do, however, believe this is black's best response to Nb3. + Show Spoiler [18. Bb2] + ...Rg7 19. Nf1 Rbg8 20. Ne3 Nd6 21. Nd2 f5 22. f4 Ne4 23. Nf3 and black can't break through. + Show Spoiler [Diagram] + ![]() Assuming white can hold and I didn't miss anything, it appears that white is very ahead. Another alternative line 18...Bd6 19. Nb3 Rbe8 20. Nc5+ Nxc5 21. bxc5 Bf4 looks bad for white. So instead let's play 20. Nh4 Ng5 21. Rxe8 (21. Nf4 Nc3+ wins the exchange) Kxe8 22. Nc5 (Nf4 leads to a literal draw or white a lost of material)...Bc8 doesn't look as good for white anymore either. + Show Spoiler [Diagram] + ![]() And that's all I got. On a side note, thanks Qrs for inspiring me to try to make my posts look neat and organized ![]() + Show Spoiler [18. Nxe4] + Suppose instead 20...f5, discovering an attack on the Knight from the Be7. I can't see how White hopes to save it. The Knight has nowhere to run, g3 is useless because the g-pawn is pinned, and Bg3 fails to ...f4. We can grab a pawn with 21. Bxc7, but after 21... Rbc8, we're in the same boat as before: two pieces are under attack and one of them has to fall. As far as I see, we end up losing a piece for two pawns, and Black still has the Bishop pair. ...dxe4 19. Nh4 (Nd2 e3 20. Rxe3 Rxg2) Ke6 20. Bf4 Bd6 + Show Spoiler [Diagram] + ![]() looks fairly even--I think white gets to exchange the bishop pair for a very hard to defend isolated d-pawn. I'm thinking white has the advantage in this line though (white's best move?) This line I like better, but what if instead of your 17th move, Black gets straight to the point with 17...a5? Originally, I thought that we could respond with 18. b5, but after 18...a4 cuts it off, it looks like we'll end up losing the b-pawn. If so, bxa5 seems to be all but forced, although we can stall with Rb1. After 18. bxa5, your (18)...Rhg8 looks quite a bit scarier (18. Rb1 Rhg8 19. bxa5 transposes). On October 16 2011 03:50 A-tan wrote: What about + Show Spoiler [mastergriggy's move] +As for 16. Re1 + Show Spoiler + ...3)17. b4 (probably best move) a5 18. bxa5 Ba8 19. Nxe4 dxe4 20. Nd2 f5 21. Nc4 looks maybe okay for white? (not sure) ...Rhg8 It's beginning to look to me that + Show Spoiler [move we've been dying to play] + b4 we have to resign ourselves to being unable to stop Black from playing ...c5. b3 In response to your concerns about the first line I have a solution qrs+ Show Spoiler + first line: 21. Nf3 to safely hold on to the knight (I am not positive if this is good or not) . As a side note, I think Nxe4 is one of white's weaker possibilities. As for the second line, + Show Spoiler + I have nothing. If black plays that move immediately, it shuts down white's play and therefore I think it's safe to say that it's bad for white to play As far as the position goes, here is what I have + Show Spoiler [Analysis] + From the start position, lines from black playing Bb7 ![]() I've already done a lot of analysis for this line with white playing 17. b4 Rhg8 (this post here), but it seems that black still has the strong move, 17...a5 (thanks to qrs pointing this out) that prevents white from gaining much by b4. I'm going to look for other white follow ups to 16. Re1 Bb7 + Show Spoiler [17. Nb3] + This move has the purpose of freeing up the Bishop as well as developing the knight. One of the big weaknesses I see here is that it's completely undefended, and if black were to play something like 17...Ba6, we have to commit to defending it (18. Re3) or it's just a waste of a move. There is really not any lines that I see that are worth analyzing that look good for white (the rook line, i.e. 17...Ba6 18. Re3 Bd6 with the intent of Bf4 doesn't look good for white) + Show Spoiler [17. Nb1] + The idea being that white repositions the knight on the c3 square. I looked at a lot of different variations for this move and typed out a lot of analysis, but unfortunately it was all for naught as it doesn't work out after 17. Nb1 Bd6 18. Nc3 Nxc3 19. bxc3 Rhe8 20. Be3 Ba6 ![]() black has a strong position. Note that if black had played 17...Rhg8 instead, Nb1 would work perfectly, as white can play Bf4, tying up black. It was worth a try though ![]() + Show Spoiler [17. Nh4] + This and b3. both look alright for white (although I have not delved into b3 at all and don't think I'll have time to) The line I found is: 17. Nh4 Nd6 (to prevent Nf5, which is serious trouble for black) 18. Nb3 and black can't stop white from getting in knights either at f5 or c5. Additionally our Bishop has a large range of space including the favorited f4 square. I suppose black can hold a maintainable position with 17...Rhg8 18. Nf5 Bd6 (or f8 but the Bishop has to move or black loses material) 19. Nxe4 dxe4 20. Nxd6 cxd6 21. Bf4 and white should be able to pull an advantage due to the horrible black pawn structure. Overall, 17. Nh4 is my favorite move for white. I'll read any analysis about 17. b3 before I make my vote though. The only objection I've really been concerned about with b3 is the fact that our knights are locked up and I think it would be good to move them before we worry about pawns. But I have no analysis to back that claim up, which is why I am reserving my vote until I see what b3 offers. Edit: Note: + Show Spoiler + This analysis all revolves around black playing Bb7. I have done some for Nd3 to, and I'll probably post that sometime tomorrow. | ||
qrs
United States3637 Posts
On October 18 2011 15:39 mastergriggy wrote: Ah, it was careless of me not to notice the pin on the pawn in that first line. Your move there looks like it may work, but it's a moot point in any case, so I won't pursue this line further.In response to your concerns about the first line I have a solution qrs+ Show Spoiler + first line: 21. Nf3 to safely hold on to the knight (I am not positive if this is good or not) . As a side note, I think Nxe4 is one of white's weaker possibilities. As for the second line, + Show Spoiler + I have nothing. If black plays that move immediately, it shuts down white's play and therefore I think it's safe to say that it's bad for white to play As far as the position goes, here is what I have + Show Spoiler [Analysis] + From the start position, lines from black playing Bb7 ![]() I've already done a lot of analysis for this line with white playing 17. b4 Rhg8 (this post here), but it seems that black still has the strong move, 17...a5 (thanks to qrs pointing this out) that prevents white from gaining much by b4. I'm going to look for other white follow ups to 16. Re1 Bb7 + Show Spoiler [17. Nb3] + This move has the purpose of freeing up the Bishop as well as developing the knight. One of the big weaknesses I see here is that it's completely undefended, and if black were to play something like 17...Ba6, we have to commit to defending it (18. Re3) or it's just a waste of a move. There is really not any lines that I see that are worth analyzing that look good for white (the rook line, i.e. 17...Ba6 18. Re3 Bd6 with the intent of Bf4 doesn't look terrible for white) + Show Spoiler [17. Nb1] + The idea being that white repositions the knight on the c3 square. I looked at a lot of different variations for this move and typed out a lot of analysis, but unfortunately it was all for naught as it doesn't work out after 17. Nb1 Bd6 18. Nc3 Nxc3 19. bxc3 Rhe8 20. Be3 Ba6 ![]() black has a strong position. Note that if black had played 17...Rhg8 instead, Nb1 would work perfectly, as white can play Bf4, tying up black. It was worth a try though ![]() + Show Spoiler [17. Nh4] + This and b3. both look alright for white (although I have not delved into b3 at all and don't think I'll have time to) The line I found is: 17. Nh4 Nd6 (to prevent Nf5, which is serious trouble for black) 18. Nb3 and black can't stop white from getting in knights either at f5 or c5. Additionally our Bishop has a large range of space including the favorited f4 square. I suppose black can hold a maintainable position with 17...Rhg8 18. Nf5 Bd6 (or f8 but the Bishop has to move or black loses material) 19. Nxe4 dxe4 20. Nxd6 cxd6 21. Bf4 and white should be able to pull an advantage due to the horrible black pawn structure. Overall, 17. Nh4 is my favorite move for white. I'll read any analysis about 17. b3 before I make my vote though. The only objection I've really been concerned about with b3 is the fact that our knights are locked up and I think it would be good to move them before we worry about pawns. But I have no analysis to back that claim up, which is why I am reserving my vote until I see what b3 offers. Edit: Note: + Show Spoiler + This analysis all revolves around black playing Bb7. I have done some for Nd3 to, and I'll probably post that sometime tomorrow. Before next turn, I'll try to present a more concrete case for the move I suggested, and I'll look at your analysis for the move that you suggest as well. | ||
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