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hype[NZ]
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Japan412 Posts
August 04 2011 23:08 GMT
#161
+ Show Spoiler [regarding opening choice] +

Imo we need to take a few things into account when choosing an opening:

Firstly the fact that this is a correspondance game should rule out moves like 1.f4 or the king's gambit (1.e4 e5 2.f4). While these are perfectly playable at normal time controls, having 3 days per move really eliminates the 'surprise' factor. Also afaik Ng5 is an expert on the king's gambit, as he plays it a lot in blitz games, so I'd prefer to avoid it.

From what I saw when I watched some of his 24hr chess marathon, Ng5 is an 1.e4 player, so he has a lot of experience with the opening from both sides. This shouldn't be too important as he has 3 days to think about each position anyway, but it may be better to try and take the game towards unfamiliar territory.

I think we should strive for complications where we as a collective will hopefully be able to out think our opponent, and imo some kind of queen's gambit declined, semi-slav or KID may be the way to go by playing 1.d4. If we do end up playing 1.e4, I hope to steer towards some kind of open sicilian, although the problem with that kind of opening is that there is a lot of opening theory, so the game won't really start for a month or so.

1.c4 could also be an interesting move to play, but I thought it would be too hard to get a majority vote, so I voted 1.d4.

I'd also like to point out to the people playing their moves out of familiarity, this is your chance to try something new (not 1.f4 please lol) as you have 60 other players to back you up if you get stuck.

Anyway these are basically my thoughts at the moment, take from it what you will.

qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
August 04 2011 23:15 GMT
#162
Here's the tally so far (as of my last post):

e4: 22 (Blazinghand, aphorism, hypercube, jdseemoreglass, NoobieOne, Varpulis, EnderSword, Drolla, Jumbled, tyr, DibujEx, wizard944, BaronFel, JeanBob, Soluhwin, sleepingdog, Raysalis, Cyber_Cheese, TheSasquatch, Epithet, levarien11111, Malinor, kHaza)
Nf3: 1 (Ikari)
f4: 4 (Gnarkill, qrs, Spidinko, zasta)
f3: 1 (annul)
d4: 13 (stormtemplar, goldrush, mcc, hype[NZ], Babyfactory, enigmaticcam, PtM, lolsixtynine, chesshaha, thehitman, tyr, KingStuart, Rybka)
c4: 1 (Chezus)

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Rybka
Profile Joined March 2010
United States836 Posts
August 04 2011 23:31 GMT
#163
Wow, thanks for the tally qrs!
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EvilNalu
Profile Joined May 2010
United States91 Posts
August 04 2011 23:34 GMT
#164
1. e4
enigmaticcam
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States280 Posts
August 04 2011 23:41 GMT
#165
lol, someone voted for 1. f3
Ikari
Profile Joined April 2007
United States176 Posts
August 04 2011 23:50 GMT
#166
On August 04 2011 08:45 Blazinghand wrote:
Ikari: any reasoning for why your opening move is better than mine? Write in a spoiler so Black doesn't read it.

+ Show Spoiler +
I think NF3 is too off-the-wall, which is bad for reasons described in my original spoiler.


+ Show Spoiler +
1.Nf3 is a flexible opening that has plenty of transitions to other openings and ignores a few responses that I would rather not play, for example, 1...e5, and can ignore the Sicilian altogether. Plus, it's an opening that still hasn't been played yet in a TL Chess Match.

Anyway, this game is just to have fun, so I'd rather avoid something with a lot of theory out there. In the past games we've played, the voting side has followed theory almost exclusively and it just makes for a boring match through the first few moves.
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
August 04 2011 23:57 GMT
#167
1.e4

+ Show Spoiler +
It rules. My FIDE rating is around 2180. What fun.
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
August 04 2011 23:58 GMT
#168
On August 05 2011 07:35 Rybka wrote:
1. d4

With d4 we avoid the Najdorf and other major Sicilian lines, all of which are arguably the most studied lines in chess. Let's start with a safe, sound opening but also work to get this thing off-book asap.


With d4 you can also go into the King's Indian, which has enormous amounts of theory. Not as though you're forced to play the open sicilian.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-05 00:04:26
August 05 2011 00:03 GMT
#169
On August 05 2011 08:58 GolemMadness wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 05 2011 07:35 Rybka wrote:
1. d4

With d4 we avoid the Najdorf and other major Sicilian lines, all of which are arguably the most studied lines in chess. Let's start with a safe, sound opening but also work to get this thing off-book asap.


With d4 you can also go into the King's Indian, which has enormous amounts of theory. Not as though you're forced to play the open sicilian
.


Guys guys guys. Can we please put strategy discussions in spoilers? The OP doesn't want to accidentally read any strategic discussions of ours, since he's playing against us, and I don't think we want him to read it either. Thanks
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CowMoo
Profile Joined May 2011
United States45 Posts
August 05 2011 00:33 GMT
#170
1. e4
+ Show Spoiler +
Queen pawn openings are boring, sorry
Rybka
Profile Joined March 2010
United States836 Posts
August 05 2011 00:39 GMT
#171
On August 05 2011 08:58 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2011 07:35 Rybka wrote:
1. d4

With d4 we avoid the Najdorf and other major Sicilian lines, all of which are arguably the most studied lines in chess. Let's start with a safe, sound opening but also work to get this thing off-book asap.


With d4 you can also go into the King's Indian, which has enormous amounts of theory. Not as though you're forced to play the open sicilian.


True and true, but I'd still rather deal with KID.
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
August 05 2011 01:00 GMT
#172
On August 05 2011 09:03 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2011 08:58 GolemMadness wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 05 2011 07:35 Rybka wrote:
1. d4

With d4 we avoid the Najdorf and other major Sicilian lines, all of which are arguably the most studied lines in chess. Let's start with a safe, sound opening but also work to get this thing off-book asap.


With d4 you can also go into the King's Indian, which has enormous amounts of theory. Not as though you're forced to play the open sicilian
.


Guys guys guys. Can we please put strategy discussions in spoilers? The OP doesn't want to accidentally read any strategic discussions of ours, since he's playing against us, and I don't think we want him to read it either. Thanks


Wasn't really discussing strategy, just saying there are lots of opening possibilities. It's not strategy until we're saying something like "Let's do this and then plan to attack on the kingside."
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wuBu
Profile Joined February 2011
United States83 Posts
August 05 2011 01:27 GMT
#173
1. d4

+ Show Spoiler +
I normally open my games with 1.d4 because I tend to favor positional games and closed positions. I sometimes play 1.e4 but I generally do worst with open positions (maybe I just don't know how to coordinate my pieces well). Also because black can employ openings like the Sicilian that offer good chances, or it can lead to 1.e4 e5, which I find boring because that's how all my friends open against me when I played chess at a younger age.
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BreatheDeep
Profile Joined February 2011
United States55 Posts
August 05 2011 01:35 GMT
#174
1. b4

+ Show Spoiler +

I like playing the Polish
It's actually statistically proven that the Polish is not inferior to center pawn openings :D
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enigmaticcam
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States280 Posts
August 05 2011 01:44 GMT
#175
On August 05 2011 10:35 BreatheDeep wrote:
1. b4

+ Show Spoiler +

I like playing the Polish
It's actually statistically proven that the Polish is not inferior to center pawn openings :D

Well, statistically speaking, 1. Na3 is the best move in the game

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/explorer
Dr. Von Derful
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States363 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-05 02:04:56
August 05 2011 02:03 GMT
#176
On August 05 2011 07:05 Blazinghand wrote:
EDIT:

Show nested quote +
On August 05 2011 07:02 tyr wrote:
Changing vote to 1.d4 because of this :

On August 04 2011 22:08 Babyfactory wrote:
1. d4

+ Show Spoiler +
It's sad to see everyone advocating 1. e4 because of the familiarity the collective might have with this opening. The point of correspondence chess is that you have the liberty to take a WHOLE three days to acquaint yourself with a position or are allowed to investigate in to an opening / position. It's a chance to make that sacrifice or gambit you wouldn't of made in a regular game.
[...]
just a heads up, this type of a game isn't about "winning" it's about having "fun"... sooner or later we're going to be in unknown territory, so get creative with how you approach and think about your moves.


+ Show Spoiler +
It convinced me to go for something I'm less familiar with. At least at the beginning. :D

+ Show Spoiler [1.e4] +

1. d4 is okay, but it's no 1. e4. Plus, there's a LOT of ways to go from 1. e4 if we REALLY want to make things interesting. We could respond to a 1. ... e5 with a 2. f4 and have a huge baller time going for king's gambit. I just think that e4 gives us the most options we're familiar with. It doesn't mean the game will be boring, there's a limitless number of openings you can do with 1. e4.



+ Show Spoiler +
The problem is that 1. e4 is more dependent on what black plays then what white plays and given the current collective mentality it seems that going for aggressive variations against the Sicilian, Caro-Kann, Pirc, French, and King's Pawn, aren't going to happen. With d4 there is less room for the collective to simply pick a "safest" move without suffering some sort of positional loss.

I honestly foresee the game being quite bland given the current mentality if Ng5 doesn't play 1 ... Nf6 that he is so in love with. I want to play against a Benoni or Nimzo Indian that I'm sure he'll play.

edit:

The King's Gambit is an interesting game, but its only if they accept it. I'm sure Ng5 will accept the gambit and go for a g5 push to keep things interesting, but I highly doubt that group will go for f4 over Nc3 or Nf3 in favor of a Vienna or a Spanish game given the relative familiarity most people will have with these opens as you can easily transpose in to or from both of these.
Mumu
Profile Joined October 2010
Korea (South)56 Posts
August 05 2011 02:28 GMT
#177
Hello all, this is my sign up post. Im an average chess player and hope to contribute to the game^^

1. d4

+ Show Spoiler +
My reason behind this is that it will create a more dynamic game, as stated by the others favoring this move. 1.e4 is a good solid opening, it is also too...normal. TBH i usually open 1. e4, but feel that this would be a good opportunity to try a new opening.
I feel that the"blazinghand" argument is a good argument, but i believe that it is also applicable to 1. d4. We are many and thus many can analyze our position following 1. d4 in the same way we can analyze our position following 1. e4 . While more people may feel more comfortable with 1. e4, we should establish early in the 'vote' game that we may not be comfortable with every move we must make.
XXGeneration
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States625 Posts
August 05 2011 02:41 GMT
#178
Aww can I join? didn't notice the thread until now
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hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
August 05 2011 02:54 GMT
#179
On August 05 2011 11:03 Babyfactory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2011 07:05 Blazinghand wrote:
EDIT:

On August 05 2011 07:02 tyr wrote:
Changing vote to 1.d4 because of this :

On August 04 2011 22:08 Babyfactory wrote:
1. d4

+ Show Spoiler +
It's sad to see everyone advocating 1. e4 because of the familiarity the collective might have with this opening. The point of correspondence chess is that you have the liberty to take a WHOLE three days to acquaint yourself with a position or are allowed to investigate in to an opening / position. It's a chance to make that sacrifice or gambit you wouldn't of made in a regular game.
[...]
just a heads up, this type of a game isn't about "winning" it's about having "fun"... sooner or later we're going to be in unknown territory, so get creative with how you approach and think about your moves.


+ Show Spoiler +
It convinced me to go for something I'm less familiar with. At least at the beginning. :D

+ Show Spoiler [1.e4] +

1. d4 is okay, but it's no 1. e4. Plus, there's a LOT of ways to go from 1. e4 if we REALLY want to make things interesting. We could respond to a 1. ... e5 with a 2. f4 and have a huge baller time going for king's gambit. I just think that e4 gives us the most options we're familiar with. It doesn't mean the game will be boring, there's a limitless number of openings you can do with 1. e4.



+ Show Spoiler +
The problem is that 1. e4 is more dependent on what black plays then what white plays and given the current collective mentality it seems that going for aggressive variations against the Sicilian, Caro-Kann, Pirc, French, and King's Pawn, aren't going to happen. With d4 there is less room for the collective to simply pick a "safest" move without suffering some sort of positional loss.

I honestly foresee the game being quite bland given the current mentality if Ng5 doesn't play 1 ... Nf6 that he is so in love with. I want to play against a Benoni or Nimzo Indian that I'm sure he'll play.

edit:

The King's Gambit is an interesting game, but its only if they accept it. I'm sure Ng5 will accept the gambit and go for a g5 push to keep things interesting, but I highly doubt that group will go for f4 over Nc3 or Nf3 in favor of a Vienna or a Spanish game given the relative familiarity most people will have with these opens as you can easily transpose in to or from both of these.


+ Show Spoiler +
You don't have to attack from move 2 to make the game interesting. We can play the Scotch against e5 or even the Italian hoping for a Nf6, where the main line leads to a dynamic game (though with black's initiative for the pawn).

Going down the main line a few moves and then deviating can give us a much better game than playing something provocative like the King's Gambit. And I sort of expect Ng5 to cooperate in playing for a sharp unbalanced position in the opening.
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Epithet
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States840 Posts
August 05 2011 04:09 GMT
#180
On August 05 2011 11:41 XXGeneration wrote:
Aww can I join? didn't notice the thread until now

I'm sure people still probably can . It's first move and all that jazz.
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