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JeanBob
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada295 Posts
August 04 2011 02:07 GMT
#121
Can I post my move in my sign up post? If yes, then:

e4

+ Show Spoiler +
It's the opening I worked with most of the time, and one of the most commonly known
"Teach the ones below you something you have learnt and learn from the ones above you." -Sonata Arctica
RandomAccount#49059
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2140 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-04 02:35:55
August 04 2011 02:35 GMT
#122
--- Nuked ---
goldrush
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada709 Posts
August 04 2011 02:39 GMT
#123
1. d4

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I'm a d4 player myself. That said, I don't know if some of the slower, positional games from d4 would be best against a single person - I think that our strength might be in calculations and that he might have the edge in a tactical fight. I'd be fine with e4 too, though I won't be able to help too much with the opening.
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-04 04:19:08
August 04 2011 04:11 GMT
#124
1. f4
I'm going to go back and read everyone's posts advocating for their moves (I encourage everyone else to do the same: this game will be more fun if we all read each other's posts instead of simply voting for our first choice of move), but first I'll give the reasoning behind mine.
+ Show Spoiler [reasoning] +
Here's what I wrote earlier.
On July 31 2011 13:54 qrs wrote:
If we're white, I favor f4 (Bird's opening). It may not be absolutely best for White, but it's very much playable and it regularly leads to unusual positions and fun games, in my experience.

To expand slightly: I'd like to play Bird's opening because it leads to fun games, while still being quite playable. I'll try my best to make the case for each of these points.

1. Fun games.
"Fun" is subjective, but here are the characteristics of Bird's opening that makes me say that it leads to fun games.

a) It leads to active positions. Specifically, f4, more than any other mainstream opening, unbalances the game. By playing f4 immediately, White weakens his Kingside, but at the same time, he strengthens his control of that side of the board. Black often ends up leaving the Kingside to White and countering on the Queenside. The result is often a position where one side is strong where the other is weak, and vice versa.

Positions like that are fun to play, because you constantly have either an attack or a defense to pursue--often both at the same time. (Not infrequently, the game comes down to what we'd call a base trade in Starcraft.) There are no long periods of deadlock or slow maneuvering, where each side stops the other from making progress.

b) It leads to unusual positions. Partly because f4 is not the most common of openings, and partly because of the sort of position it leads to (described above), it tends to lead to positions that you don't see very often. Positions like that are fun to play because you're not relying on rote, but trying to come up with something new.

2. Playable.
f4 has never been the most popular of openings, but it has been favored by players of the highest calibre, from Henry Bird himself to Bent Larsen. If it weren't playable, they wouldn't play it.


Edit: OK, having gone back and read the other comments, it seems that the most popular move so far is e4, and the most popular rationale for it is + Show Spoiler [rationale] +
It will lead to positions that are more or less familiar to everyone.
I think that's a reasonable argument, even though it's almost the opposite of what I'm advocating + Show Spoiler +
positions that are more or less unfamiliar to everyone.
e4 doesn't need my vote, and I'm not changing it, but I'll be perfectly happy to play it if that's what we end up with.
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Soluhwin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1287 Posts
August 04 2011 04:23 GMT
#125
e4

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It's what I know best, and what I understand as the most flexible opening
I put the sexy in dyslexia.
Spidinko
Profile Joined May 2010
Slovakia1174 Posts
August 04 2011 08:39 GMT
#126
1.f4
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I'd rather play interesting bird than the same old e4. Let's make this game fun. By playing e4 I'm pretty sure we'll just be playing by the book longer than by playing f4.
f4 is intriguing.
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
August 04 2011 09:01 GMT
#127
1.d4
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I would go with f4 as I lately like more crazy wild games, but I have no experience wit it so d4 it is.
hype[NZ]
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Japan412 Posts
August 04 2011 09:09 GMT
#128
1.d4

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it's a good move
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-04 09:17:43
August 04 2011 09:17 GMT
#129
1.e4

The reason is exactly what THIS guy has posted

On August 04 2011 08:43 Blazinghand wrote:
I think we should open with
1. e4

Reasons in the spoiler.
+ Show Spoiler [reasons] +
Ok, so obviously our strength in this game is that we are many, and he is few; we have a lot of knowledge between the lot of us, but this is only valuable when working with a familiar opening, where we ALL have that knowledge. If we open with something weird, it might be the equivalent of a 1v1 since few of us will know what's going on. If we open with e4, which is very common, we have a good chance that many of us will understand what's going on in the early game, strengthening our advantage.

If we open with another, less common move, fewer of us will be experienced with that opening, as previously mentioned BUT there's also a small chance he'll be an expert in that opening. Also, it's easier for him, 1 man, to read up on an uncommon opening and come to a good consensus than for us, the many, to do the same.

Therefore, I recommend we play cautiously and wait for him to make a mistake. We are many and he is few, we will spot his errors more easily than he ours, and we will make errors less often than he will due to our discussions.


"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
Raysalis
Profile Joined July 2010
Malaysia1034 Posts
August 04 2011 09:43 GMT
#130
1. e4

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As long as its e4, d4, Nf3 or c4 i dont really mind actually. Looks like most people are more familiar with e4 so lets go down that road.
:)
zasta
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom99 Posts
August 04 2011 10:45 GMT
#131
1. f4

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I agree that I'd rather an unusual game.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
August 04 2011 11:28 GMT
#132
On August 04 2011 18:17 sleepingdog wrote:
1.e4

The reason is exactly what THIS guy has posted

Show nested quote +
On August 04 2011 08:43 Blazinghand wrote:
I think we should open with
1. e4

Reasons in the spoiler.
+ Show Spoiler [reasons] +
Ok, so obviously our strength in this game is that we are many, and he is few; we have a lot of knowledge between the lot of us, but this is only valuable when working with a familiar opening, where we ALL have that knowledge. If we open with something weird, it might be the equivalent of a 1v1 since few of us will know what's going on. If we open with e4, which is very common, we have a good chance that many of us will understand what's going on in the early game, strengthening our advantage.

If we open with another, less common move, fewer of us will be experienced with that opening, as previously mentioned BUT there's also a small chance he'll be an expert in that opening. Also, it's easier for him, 1 man, to read up on an uncommon opening and come to a good consensus than for us, the many, to do the same.

Therefore, I recommend we play cautiously and wait for him to make a mistake. We are many and he is few, we will spot his errors more easily than he ours, and we will make errors less often than he will due to our discussions.



because of this, im going to vote
1. e4
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Dr. Von Derful
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States363 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-04 13:31:27
August 04 2011 13:08 GMT
#133
1. d4

+ Show Spoiler +
It's sad to see everyone advocating 1. e4 because of the familiarity the collective might have with this opening. The point of correspondence chess is that you have the liberty to take a WHOLE three days to acquaint yourself with a position or are allowed to investigate in to an opening / position. It's a chance to make that sacrifice or gambit you wouldn't of made in a regular game. 1. e4 can be too safe and bland if he doesn't respond with something like 1. ... d5 or 1 ... Nf6. Although he has expressed his love for 1. ... Nf6 in the past, I fear if he plays e5, c5, c6, d6, or e6 that we'll be tempted to fall in to closed and locked positions to keep with "familiarity". I love 1. e4 and some of the positions it brings, but it seems like as a group everyone wants to avoid theory and risk (although f4 really is a terrible opening).

I say we play 1. d4 in hopes to push the game towards more interesting positions and to teach some players, who aren't familiar with the queen's pawn opening, just how awesome it is.

edit:

just a heads up, this type of a game isn't about "winning" it's about having "fun"... sooner or later we're going to be in unknown territory, so get creative with how you approach and think about your moves.


gl;hf
enigmaticcam
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States280 Posts
August 04 2011 16:26 GMT
#134
1. d4

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I always play d4.
lSasquatchl
Profile Joined February 2011
United States309 Posts
August 04 2011 16:38 GMT
#135
If i can do this on my sign up post.

1. e4

+ Show Spoiler +
I believe it has the most flexiblity and I am most fimiliar with it
PtM
Profile Joined March 2011
89 Posts
August 04 2011 17:46 GMT
#136
I sent a PM so hopefully I'll get added to the list of players. Just in case, I'll vote now:

1. d4

+ Show Spoiler +
In my limited chess career I've always played e4 and would rather use this opportunity to play a different variation and get into some interesting situations.
Epithet
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States840 Posts
August 04 2011 17:57 GMT
#137
Random question, can people just sign up now and vote for whatever they feel like or is the list of players set in stone?
1. e4
+ Show Spoiler +
"Best by test". I have no real preference whether d4, e4, Nf3 but I'm pretty sure more people will be familiar with e4.
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levarien11111
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States61 Posts
August 04 2011 18:18 GMT
#138
n f3



+ Show Spoiler +
this allows to get two opening which are quenn side pawn and king side pawn agressiveness in the next move and allows us alot of mobility without setting in stone what we are doing quite yet so more flexibility
death is only the beginning
lolsixtynine
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States600 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-04 18:31:49
August 04 2011 18:31 GMT
#139
1. d4

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Positional games are always interesting, and I think this move will lead to the best and most insightful game. Discussion of closed games is awesome.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4728 Posts
August 04 2011 18:35 GMT
#140
1. e4

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personal preference


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