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Sc1pio
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Ng5
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jdseemoreglass wrote: Right well.... I wasn't arguing what the best move was, and I wasn't talking about a golden rule. You aren't reading the spoilers, so you probably don't realize I was arguing against people who were suggesting that O-O was the only standard or safe move available when the majority of the games in my database showed 5. d4 as the most common continuation among the highest rated players. It could be that the theory is "outdated" but it is certainly still a viable move and shouldn't be disregarded on the simple premise that another move is considered "standard" by someone else. Since this correspondence match is moving so slow I wanted to argue in favor of the more aggressive/tactical continuation. It's all preference in the end anyways, not objective fact. I'm voting 6. e5. But if read right that's half of what I said. The other half is that the type of chess does matter. Correspondence in this case. Sometimes what is viable in 'real' chess is not in correspondence and vica versa. I would probably be better off explaining this more in depth on stream. It's the same as why the 4... f5 line that someone hoped for wouldn't work in correspondence or long time control chess, even though I probably have a win ratio close to, or over 80% with it in 5-minute. But that includes making other unusual attack plans that would get picked apart in a long game. The same reason why sometimes saccing a minor piece early for two pawns is worth it in a real time game, even if the initiative is not clear - while in a correctly played correspondence game you can turn it around on several occasions, etc. | ||
Ng5
702 Posts
samirlugel wrote: wrong forum I wonder what this guy posted... Oh chess pieces into SC2 units. Funny. | ||
Ng5
702 Posts
jdseemoreglass wrote: Black doesn't have to play 6. ... Ne4, and we don't have to respond with 7. O-O. Even if those two moves are both played, black doesn't have to play 7. ... dxc3, and even if he does, we don't have to play 8. Qe5. We are putting a lot of our focus on a line that's only a remote possibility, and honestly I think both sides have better moves along the way. I say we cross that bridge when we get to it. 3 days is certainly enough time to look at any move black can throw at us. Please spoiler these stuff. I don't think there's any harm done this time, but still. 8. Qe5 is a nice find for a few reasons in that line, though. Not saying whether it's good or bad. | ||
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Empyrean
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Ng5
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carloselcoco
United States2302 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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SOB_Maj_Brian
United States522 Posts
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imBLIND
United States2626 Posts
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
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GreatestThreat
United States631 Posts
At this point no reason to vote for anything else, and it's a move I would have supported anyway even if it's not my first choice. | ||
WarChimp
Australia943 Posts
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Well my opinion on 5.d4 did not change and I still think all analyzed lines are bad for white so it is hard to force myself to actually care so I will go with the flow for now. | ||
Misder
United States1557 Posts
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durza
United States667 Posts
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On August 31 2011 13:29 Ng5 wrote: jd's point was that he hasn't been using arguments like "standard move"; on the contrary, it was others who were repeatedly bringing up arguments like that to support their preferred move, without any analysis of it. Eventually, jd responded that, even if one wanted to pick their move based on what is "standard", it was misleading to stigmatize d4 as non-standard. Most of the posts he was responding to were in spoilers, so you couldn't have known that context.But if read right that's half of what I said. The other half is that the type of chess does matter. Correspondence in this case. Sometimes what is viable in 'real' chess is not in correspondence and vica versa. I would probably be better off explaining this more in depth on stream. It's the same as why the 4... f5 line that someone hoped for wouldn't work in correspondence or long time control chess, even though I probably have a win ratio close to, or over 80% with it in 5-minute. But that includes making other unusual attack plans that would get picked apart in a long game. The same reason why sometimes saccing a minor piece early for two pawns is worth it in a real time game, even if the initiative is not clear - while in a correctly played correspondence game you can turn it around on several occasions, etc. | ||
qrs
United States3637 Posts
On August 31 2011 13:54 Empyrean wrote: I don't understand reasoning like this. If you don't have enough time to figure out which move you think is best, wouldn't it make the most sense to simply abstain? A "bandwagon" vote seems to say nothing more than "this move is the one that most of the other voters prefer", which at best is stating the obvious, and at worst could even distort the vote if for whatever reason the current prevailing opinion changed. No offense meant; I just don't understand.Gonna bandwagon onto 6. e5 since I've been busy lately X_X | ||
Archers_bane
United States1338 Posts
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
On August 31 2011 23:22 qrs wrote: I don't understand reasoning like this. If you don't have enough time to figure out which move you think is best, wouldn't it make the most sense to simply abstain? A "bandwagon" vote seems to say nothing more than "this move is the one that most of the other voters prefer", which at best is stating the obvious, and at worst could even distort the vote if for whatever reason the current prevailing opinion changed. No offense meant; I just don't understand. On my next move vote, instead of a thorough analysis of multiple lines, my reason will be "qrs voted for it so it must be good." I think qrs might implode ![]() | ||
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