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Sc1pio
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States823 Posts
August 31 2011 02:45 GMT
#841
6.e5
"In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, in the expert's there are few. " -Shunro Suzuki | fortuna fortes adiuvat
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
August 31 2011 04:29 GMT
#842
jdseemoreglass wrote:
Right well.... I wasn't arguing what the best move was, and I wasn't talking about a golden rule. You aren't reading the spoilers, so you probably don't realize I was arguing against people who were suggesting that O-O was the only standard or safe move available when the majority of the games in my database showed 5. d4 as the most common continuation among the highest rated players. It could be that the theory is "outdated" but it is certainly still a viable move and shouldn't be disregarded on the simple premise that another move is considered "standard" by someone else.

Since this correspondence match is moving so slow I wanted to argue in favor of the more aggressive/tactical continuation. It's all preference in the end anyways, not objective fact.

I'm voting 6. e5.


But if read right that's half of what I said. The other half is that the type of chess does matter. Correspondence in this case. Sometimes what is viable in 'real' chess is not in correspondence and vica versa. I would probably be better off explaining this more in depth on stream.

It's the same as why the 4... f5 line that someone hoped for wouldn't work in correspondence or long time control chess, even though I probably have a win ratio close to, or over 80% with it in 5-minute. But that includes making other unusual attack plans that would get picked apart in a long game.

The same reason why sometimes saccing a minor piece early for two pawns is worth it in a real time game, even if the initiative is not clear - while in a correctly played correspondence game you can turn it around on several occasions, etc.
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
August 31 2011 04:29 GMT
#843
samirlugel wrote:
wrong forum


I wonder what this guy posted...

Oh chess pieces into SC2 units. Funny.
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
August 31 2011 04:29 GMT
#844
jdseemoreglass wrote:
Black doesn't have to play 6. ... Ne4, and we don't have to respond with 7. O-O. Even if those two moves are both played, black doesn't have to play 7. ... dxc3, and even if he does, we don't have to play 8. Qe5.

We are putting a lot of our focus on a line that's only a remote possibility, and honestly I think both sides have better moves along the way. I say we cross that bridge when we get to it. 3 days is certainly enough time to look at any move black can throw at us.


Please spoiler these stuff. I don't think there's any harm done this time, but still. 8. Qe5 is a nice find for a few reasons in that line, though. Not saying whether it's good or bad.
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
16987 Posts
August 31 2011 04:54 GMT
#845
Gonna bandwagon onto 6. e5 since I've been busy lately X_X
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Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
August 31 2011 05:04 GMT
#846
Reminders out. 22 hours and 57 minutes left, guys.
carloselcoco
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2302 Posts
August 31 2011 05:46 GMT
#847
e4 to e5 seems reasonable as we will put pressure in the knights while remaining relatively strong in the middle.
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
August 31 2011 05:53 GMT
#848
e5
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
SOB_Maj_Brian
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States522 Posts
August 31 2011 06:09 GMT
#849
e5
imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2626 Posts
August 31 2011 06:46 GMT
#850
e5. been a lil busy lately.
im deaf
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
August 31 2011 07:25 GMT
#851
e5 - don't see any other move equally suitable
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
GreatestThreat
Profile Joined May 2010
United States631 Posts
August 31 2011 07:26 GMT
#852
6. e5

At this point no reason to vote for anything else, and it's a move I would have supported anyway even if it's not my first choice.
"I'm ethereal! My children are legion, serial! They stick to my skin like beloved cysts... I TEAR AWAY WITH MY NAILS AND TEETH AND FISTS!"
WarChimp
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia943 Posts
August 31 2011 07:46 GMT
#853
Alright I am going to go e5
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
August 31 2011 07:55 GMT
#854
6.e5
+ Show Spoiler +
Well my opinion on 5.d4 did not change and I still think all analyzed lines are bad for white so it is hard to force myself to actually care so I will go with the flow for now.
Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
August 31 2011 08:05 GMT
#855
6. e5
Whaaaa?
durza
Profile Joined August 2009
United States667 Posts
August 31 2011 13:57 GMT
#856
6.e5
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
August 31 2011 14:15 GMT
#857
On August 31 2011 13:29 Ng5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
jdseemoreglass wrote:
Right well.... I wasn't arguing what the best move was, and I wasn't talking about a golden rule. You aren't reading the spoilers, so you probably don't realize I was arguing against people who were suggesting that O-O was the only standard or safe move available when the majority of the games in my database showed 5. d4 as the most common continuation among the highest rated players. It could be that the theory is "outdated" but it is certainly still a viable move and shouldn't be disregarded on the simple premise that another move is considered "standard" by someone else.

Since this correspondence match is moving so slow I wanted to argue in favor of the more aggressive/tactical continuation. It's all preference in the end anyways, not objective fact.

I'm voting 6. e5.


But if read right that's half of what I said. The other half is that the type of chess does matter. Correspondence in this case. Sometimes what is viable in 'real' chess is not in correspondence and vica versa. I would probably be better off explaining this more in depth on stream.

It's the same as why the 4... f5 line that someone hoped for wouldn't work in correspondence or long time control chess, even though I probably have a win ratio close to, or over 80% with it in 5-minute. But that includes making other unusual attack plans that would get picked apart in a long game.

The same reason why sometimes saccing a minor piece early for two pawns is worth it in a real time game, even if the initiative is not clear - while in a correctly played correspondence game you can turn it around on several occasions, etc.
jd's point was that he hasn't been using arguments like "standard move"; on the contrary, it was others who were repeatedly bringing up arguments like that to support their preferred move, without any analysis of it. Eventually, jd responded that, even if one wanted to pick their move based on what is "standard", it was misleading to stigmatize d4 as non-standard. Most of the posts he was responding to were in spoilers, so you couldn't have known that context.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
August 31 2011 14:22 GMT
#858
On August 31 2011 13:54 Empyrean wrote:
Gonna bandwagon onto 6. e5 since I've been busy lately X_X
I don't understand reasoning like this. If you don't have enough time to figure out which move you think is best, wouldn't it make the most sense to simply abstain? A "bandwagon" vote seems to say nothing more than "this move is the one that most of the other voters prefer", which at best is stating the obvious, and at worst could even distort the vote if for whatever reason the current prevailing opinion changed. No offense meant; I just don't understand.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
Archers_bane
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1338 Posts
August 31 2011 15:39 GMT
#859
6. e5
Starcraft's BW glory days have passed, RIP Jaedong's dominance - 2013...EDIT 2017: WE BACK BOYS
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
August 31 2011 15:49 GMT
#860
On August 31 2011 23:22 qrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2011 13:54 Empyrean wrote:
Gonna bandwagon onto 6. e5 since I've been busy lately X_X
I don't understand reasoning like this. If you don't have enough time to figure out which move you think is best, wouldn't it make the most sense to simply abstain? A "bandwagon" vote seems to say nothing more than "this move is the one that most of the other voters prefer", which at best is stating the obvious, and at worst could even distort the vote if for whatever reason the current prevailing opinion changed. No offense meant; I just don't understand.

On my next move vote, instead of a thorough analysis of multiple lines, my reason will be "qrs voted for it so it must be good."

I think qrs might implode
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
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