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Malli
Germany138 Posts
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chesshaha
United States1117 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I considered Black will play this pawn exchange move, and pretty much I decided already e5 will be my move. Still kinda messed up from Barcraft, maybe I'll update some reason later. I have a feeling that e5 will win by a landslide... | ||
Malinor
Germany4719 Posts
I basically just put the position on a board and play through several moves and decide which ones I like. No engines, no databases. And I try to only read the comments of other participants after I decided on a move, and only change it if there is a real reason and not just a difference in taste. That's for me the most fun way to play this match anyway. | ||
EnderSword
Canada669 Posts
People have written plenty of reasons why | ||
LaXerCannon
Canada558 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On August 24 2011 08:23 LaXerCannon wrote: 5.d4 What can black respond with? .... 5... exd4 We can now thrust our pawn up via 6.e5, black can't follow up with Nh5? as it allows 7. Nxd4! nor should it risk Ne4 as after Qe2, black loses that knight... Ng4 is the same as Nh5 except now the knight can retreat to h6 allowing Bxh6, ruining black's castled position. This leaves 6. ... Nd5, allowing us to take d4 and giving us two strong center pawns. | ||
pburns
United States12 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + this game is going to get good. | ||
shackes
Germany148 Posts
nothing to add | ||
Jumbled
1543 Posts
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EvilNalu
United States91 Posts
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Boozerr
United States28 Posts
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enigmaticcam
United States280 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + There are a few things I don't like about 6. Bxc6. It potentially opens the d file for black, and his queen will be eyeing the d4 square. There is a possibility it could open up completely, allowing black to exchange queens and rid our chance of castling. Also, the position will be opening up pretty soon here, and I think the bishops will be worth more. But I haven't dug deep enough yet to confirm any of this, which I will do later today. For now, 6. e5 is the best move in my eyes. | ||
qrs
United States3637 Posts
On August 30 2011 01:21 enigmaticcam wrote: Fair enough: I agree that 6. Bxc6 could use some investigating before we pronounce it fully viable. In my opinion, the line that we need to look at is+ Show Spoiler [continued] +6. e5 + Show Spoiler + There are a few things I don't like about 6. Bxc6. It potentially opens the d file for black, and his queen will be eyeing the d4 square. There is a possibility it could open up completely, allowing black to exchange queens and rid our chance of castling. Also, the position will be opening up pretty soon here, and I think the bishops will be worth more. But I haven't dug deep enough yet to confirm any of this, which I will do later today. For now, 6. e5 is the best move in my eyes. 6. Bxc6 dxc6 7. cxd4 Bb6 (not 7...Bb4+, which just simplifies the game, with an advantage for us, imo). | ||
tyr
France1686 Posts
seems solid indeed | ||
aphorism
United States226 Posts
simplifying the board makes the game boring. ![]() | ||
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itsjustatank
Hong Kong9151 Posts
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zasta
United Kingdom99 Posts
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Chezus
Netherlands427 Posts
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
sacrifice a pawn. Votes 6. e5: 16 (hype[NZ], Bill Murray, Raysalis, jdseemoreglass, keyStorm, Malli, chesshaha, Malinor, EnderSword, LaXerCannon, pburns, shackes, Jumbled, EvilNalu, Boozerr, enigmaticcam, tyr, aphorism, itsjustatank, zasta, Chezus) 6. Bxc6: 1 (qrs) ![]() Note: I've read all the posts in this thread. Below I attempt to summarize the discussion so far. If you think I've missed an important point, say so. General Issues That Must Be Dealt with in the Position and the Plans to Deal with Them + Show Spoiler +
Candidate Moves and Rationales 6. e5 The complicating move + Show Spoiler [general] + 6. e5 addresses the weakness of our e-pawn with an aggressive counterattack, removing the threat to the e-pawn with tempo, as Black is forced to spend the next move removing his Knight to safety. Black's likely response to this will be 6...Nd5, moving his Knight to an active, central square whence it cannot easily be driven away. Another possible Black response that has been suggested is 6...Ne4, putting the Knight on a square more vulnerable in the long term, but putting more pressure on us in the short term. One possibility for White is 7. PxP, recapturing the d-pawn, supporting our now-vulnerable e-pawn, and gaining a tempo by attacking Black's Bishop. This opens up the possibility of 7...Bb4+, which simplifies the game by force, if Black wants that. If Black has played 6...Ne4 (exerting pressure on d2), then 7... Bb4+ becomes a stronger move: for instance, 8. Bd2, previously a strong reply to 7...Bb4+, becomes far less attractive in light of 8...NxB. Black can also play the quieter 7. ...Bb6, maintaining long-term pressure on our d-pawn, or the passive 7...Be7 For White, alternative 7th moves proposed include 7. 0-0, bringing our King to safety and continuing to develop. It must be noted that in the case where Black has played 6...Ne4 this move offers to sacrifice a pawn, in exchange for a lead in development. If we are willing to consider this move, then it's probably also worth making this offer immediately, with 6. 0-0. In the case that Black plays 6...Ne4, another 7th move proposed for White is 7. Qe2, gaining time by attacking the Knight, and leading to a sharp and tactical game.
Whether you favour 6. e5 or oppose it, this post by jdseemoreglass is practically required reading for anyone who wants to give deep consideration to this move. 6. Bxc6 The simplifying move + Show Spoiler [general] + Although it is not without some complications of its own, the general idea of 6. Bxc6 is to maintain our central advantage without committing our e-pawn to the aggressive but long-term-weakening e5. The immediate point of 6. Bxc6 is to remove a defender from b4, allowing us to respond to ...Bb4+ by playing Bd2 with tempo (as it attacks the Bishop). This move leads to at least some simplification of the board (the initial exchange of Bishop for Knight) and possibly more, especially if Black wants that. However, it offers a chance to preserve our edge without entering into unclear tactical lines.
In general, the rush of votes to 6. e5 make me wonder whether everyone has considered all the ramifications of this rather complicated move. For instance, does everyone who votes for 6. e5 want to + Show Spoiler + sacrifice a pawn? In my opinion, this move is not a no-brainer: the moves available to us here--including 6. e5, 6. Bxc6, and perhaps even 6. 0-0, deserve careful consideration. | ||
samirlugel
3 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
Sacrificing a pawn does not mean having a disadvantage, when your position can allow for you to pin pieces to the king. | ||
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