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imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2626 Posts
August 11 2011 22:50 GMT
#401
3. d4

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Scotch. I'd rather lose an exciting game than win a positional nightmare...
im deaf
keyStorm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada316 Posts
August 11 2011 22:51 GMT
#402
what is evan's gambit?
Dr. Von Derful
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States363 Posts
August 11 2011 22:52 GMT
#403
3. Bc4

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There is a lot of potential in this move, depending on his response. If he continues to play standard (3. ... Bc5) then to avoid quiet and passive play we should follow up with 4. d4 as this will get the ball rolling to a very dynamic position after 4. ... Bxd4 5. Nxd4 Nxd4 6. 0-0 which will allow us to play 7. f4 or 7. Bg5 to begin an attack. He could also play 4 ... exd4 to which we should be delighted to have the opportunity to push e5 and transposition in to an interesting attack of the Scotch or even the ability to transpose to the Scotch Gambit with 5. c3.
keyStorm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada316 Posts
August 11 2011 22:53 GMT
#404
On August 12 2011 07:50 imBLIND wrote:
3. d4

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Scotch. I'd rather lose an exciting game than win a positional nightmare...


But...it's not like we sit in front of the chessboard for hours straight..
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
August 11 2011 22:53 GMT
#405
keyStorm wrote:
what is evan's gambit?


1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bc4 Bc5
4. b4

Good night, folks.
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
August 11 2011 22:54 GMT
#406
I'm voting 3. Bc4

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...primarily because it's NOT the Ruy Lopez! An opening which is over-played, over-analyzed, and has overly subtle positional considerations that is well beyond the typical player's understanding. Playing the Spanish Torture will also ensure us about a month of book moves.

Bc4 increases our control of the center, directly. It removes the bishop from the king-side, allowing a castle whenever we choose. It also eyes black's weak f7 square, which can be the source of many potential tactics.

Playing Nc3 will needlessly limit our flexibility, by preventing the support of the d-pawn thrust with c3.

The Italian game (3. Bc4) leads to an open position and sharp tactical lines, which I think is more fun than the Ruy.
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
Dr. Von Derful
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States363 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 23:04:40
August 11 2011 22:55 GMT
#407
On August 12 2011 07:51 keyStorm wrote:
what is evan's gambit?


edit:

Ng5 beat me to posting the line
Sc1pio
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States823 Posts
August 11 2011 23:20 GMT
#408
3. d4

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I already said I wanted to play the scotch, so I'm sticking to that.
"In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, in the expert's there are few. " -Shunro Suzuki | fortuna fortes adiuvat
Raysalis
Profile Joined July 2010
Malaysia1034 Posts
August 11 2011 23:34 GMT
#409
3.Bb5

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I like the Ruy Lopez :p. Other move i dont mind playing is the scotch with 3.d4 or italian/2 knights with 3.Bc4.

:)
Jumbled
Profile Joined September 2010
1543 Posts
August 11 2011 23:42 GMT
#410
3. Bc4

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On August 12 2011 07:18 Blazinghand wrote:
I think that this move will let us put some pressure on the F pawn. As some dude said, most of the game is about pressuring the F pawn. Plus, it creates a non-zero chance that we could play Evan's gambit (should he respond 3 ... Bc5) and that's a super cool opening.


I'm going to endorse Bc4 as well. I love an opportunity to give the Evan's Gambit a run, and if he doesn't opt for 3. .. Bc5 there are some other aggressive lines we can use that should still be fun.
Argoneus
Profile Joined July 2009
Czech Republic283 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 23:45:23
August 11 2011 23:45 GMT
#411
3. b4

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im a total noob when it comes to chess, but I think its better to claim the forward positions and secure them asap
Terran OP
tyr
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France1686 Posts
August 11 2011 23:59 GMT
#412
3. Bc4

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I might change later for d4, depending on what people think about both moves. d4 seems more aggressive to me as the two pawns will directly threaten one another while Bc4 is more of a "passive aggressive" I guess. As some people already said, it'll threaten some critical spots in ng5's line, allowing us to take control of the center maybe a little easier, so I kinda like this move at the moment.
As for the Ruy Lopez some people are voting for without providing any more explanation, it just doesn't seem to do anything THAT interesting to me. I'm not a big chess expert so if one of those who voted Bb5 could explain why this move is so good compared to our other options, please do so, I'd really appreciate it.
"I'm always reminded of how manly Jaedong is every time I see him." -Bisu
Soluhwin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1287 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 04:04:39
August 12 2011 00:09 GMT
#413
D4

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This allows both of our bishops free movement and, if the d4 pawn is taken this move, gives our queen free movement. This may put us in a vulnerable position but gives us board control as everything our opponent does must now be directed towards that queen.
This means that the move sequence will most likely be:
d4, Pd4
Nd4, Nd4
Qd4, ???
I put the sexy in dyslexia.
RandomAccount#49059
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2140 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 00:40:31
August 12 2011 00:40 GMT
#414
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timh
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands47 Posts
August 12 2011 00:51 GMT
#415
3. c3

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a little more subtle than d4, but still trying to get more control over center.
Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
August 12 2011 01:00 GMT
#416
3. Bc4

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As stated before, I like Italian/Two Knights. Also, I play Evans/Max Lang respectively, though not extremely well xD
Whaaaa?
NoobieOne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1183 Posts
August 12 2011 01:17 GMT
#417
3. Bb5

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this is how I play. I'll just say the opening I'm most comfortable with.
shackes
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany148 Posts
August 12 2011 01:23 GMT
#418
3. d4

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We didn't want f4, so it has to d4. For an open and exciting game!
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
August 12 2011 01:42 GMT
#419
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3... d5, and I daresay Black already has equality. 4. PxP QxP, and can you honestly tell me that we have an advantage in this position?
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The key problem with c3 at this point in the game is that a) it accomplishes nothing immediate, and b) it temporarily blocks our Queen's Knight from his best position. Without 3. c3, 3... d5 is not a good option for Black: after 4. PxP QxP, 5. Nc3 develops a Knight and drives the Queen away with tempo. With 3. c3, 3...d5 becomes a very good move for Black, it breaks open the center, puts his Queen in an active position from where she can't be quickly dislodged, and leaves our Queen's Knight stranded in the backfield.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
August 12 2011 02:02 GMT
#420
3. Bb5
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It's the most popular move in this position for a reason: the Bishop on b5 exerts steady pressure on Black's position that it takes him a long time to escape from. Specific points:
  • At any time, White can remove a defender of the e5 pawn by exchanging Bishop for Knight. This means that Black always has to make sure that his pawn is defended (or that he can capture ours in return).
  • When Black moves the d-pawn (and he can't very well leave it in place), we have a pin on the Knight, which stops it from moving freely.
  • This also means that Black has to watch out for moves that take advantage of the pin (such as Nxe4, in some situations.
  • Black can't drive off our Bishop for some time, unless he plays h6 and g5, but playing those moves severely undermines his c6 Knight and his c-pawn, by depriving them of pawn support.
  • Black can't relieve the pin for some time unless he plays Bd7, but that blocks the d-file for him.
  • If we exchange Bishop for Knight, Black has to slightly compromise his pawn structure by doubling his pawns.
Don't get me wrong, none of these things mean we have a decisive advantage. These aren't traps, which Black will fall into. For instance, Ng5 is not going to lose his e5 pawn by forgetting that we can take his Knight.

What they are is constraints on his position. Black can't just do anything he wants, because he has a bunch of things to make sure he is taking care of, every move. Our position by contrast is relatively freer.

Despite all my talk about long-term pressure against his position, however, if we play 3. Bb5 and Black responds with 3.... h6, I'd like to cash in our chips immediately by playing the Exchange Variation, 4. BxN. That way, we trade our temporary (albeit relatively long-term) pressure on his position for a permanent (albeit small) advantage in the form of pawn structure, and possibly tempo as well (depending on which pawn he chooses to retake with). If we play carefully from there, I think that should carry us into the endgame with an advantage, and as some people pointed out, with over 60 people discussing each move, playing carefully ought to be an advantage of ours. It's not likely that every one of us will overlook some clear tactical error. So, as long as we can gain an advantage, even a small one, I think we're well-suited to keep it. That's why I favor the Exchange Variation: immediately trading in our dynamic advantage as White for a small positional advantage that lasts through the endgame, if we nurse it.

Of course, this is only if we end up playing 3. Bb5 and Black responds with ...h6.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
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