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Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
December 06 2011 05:01 GMT
#2501
Deadline's over.

Seems like we're less and less in number with less and less analysis.

Anyway. I'll clean up stuff and move on Wednesday. It might reach over to Thursday because it will be in the evening sometimes.

Peace.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
December 06 2011 18:10 GMT
#2502
HI GUYS I'M BACK. Sorry I've been away so long. I'll be contributing again.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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loginn
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France815 Posts
December 07 2011 11:39 GMT
#2503
Guys. We made the worst mistake ever T_T

24.e4-c5 is his most probable move. We cannot take go with 25.c5 since it's an autoloss. What can we do ? We will lose a pawn in the center and lose one of our pawn chains, while he's not in a worse position.
Stephano, Taking skill to the bank since IPL3. Also Lucifron and FBH
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
December 08 2011 02:30 GMT
#2504
loginn wrote:
Guys. We made the worst mistake ever T_T


Not the first...

loginn wrote:
What can we do ?


I asked you many many times ever since endgame started.
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 02:50:51
December 08 2011 02:36 GMT
#2505
Look you voted without any real discussion and most of you didn't even say it's because you agree or because you see no better than whatever might have been in the one or two post with actual spoilers.

The problems didn't start here. Bf4 was already sub-optimal and I would say b4 or even back a3 ages ago was problematic. And I probably would have never chosen Bxc6 either, at least not with the Qxc6 plan as a follow-up.

Edit: I also tried to tell you how one plans in the endgame. I think I said somewhere along the lines that you don't change the pawn structure unless you got the most out of your position. I haven't made a single pawn move until all my pieces were at the perfect place. Kxd7 surprised you, but look at the a6 bishop now. If I get a pawn on d4 it's at its perfect place. gxf6 wasn't about g-file aggression either. You never had Ne5 and now you don't have Be5 - which in many of the sidelines could be a lifesaver. And my rook is as active as it could ever get.

The only real hard move was Rc8 a few moves earlier, but it also didn't just serve a distraction, it could have supported c5 in many lines without doubling my rooks, and also - I got so many extra tempi that one maneuvering move didn't make me lose time at all.
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
December 08 2011 02:46 GMT
#2506
Move is out there.

Next Round!
liberal
Profile Joined November 2011
1116 Posts
December 08 2011 02:52 GMT
#2507
exd5
calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
December 08 2011 02:55 GMT
#2508
Oh man guys, white is up 2 pawns but actually playing the position looks agonizing. I bet its still +/- in fritz but for people it's another issue altogether...
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
December 08 2011 02:57 GMT
#2509
Fritz will never win this game for you as white.

Just saying.
calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
December 08 2011 02:59 GMT
#2510
On December 08 2011 11:57 Ng5 wrote:
Fritz will never win this game for you as white.

Just saying.

Never say never... computers are quite strong as you know.
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 03:02:37
December 08 2011 02:59 GMT
#2511
Feel free to use from now.

Edit: That's a reply to never say never.
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 03:27:53
December 08 2011 03:06 GMT
#2512
Wow, once again Ng5 has surprised me. I'd been expecting 25...dxe4 at this point, and I wasn't optimistic about it. There were a couple of other possibilities for Black that I considered, but 25...c5 never crossed my mind. I'm suddenly happy with our position again.

Has Ng5 seen further than us? That remains to be seen, but definitely this is the kind of position we were hoping for when we played 23. Nd2 and 24. fxe3.

26. exd5. Time to start analyzing again.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
December 08 2011 03:08 GMT
#2513
Welcome back, bro.
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
December 08 2011 03:08 GMT
#2514
xd5

Pretty simple really. We take c5 game won't be looking too hot, even with our 1 pawn advantage.

after xd5, I presume xd4 as a response.

+ Show Spoiler +
Honestly, position isn't that bad here. The only problem is his pawn on d4. It isn't even going anywhere thanks to our knight.

I'm looking at a trap we could setup if he tries to hit our d5 pawn with his white square bishop. All we do is push d6 to either give us some scary positioning or allow us to trade a pawn for a rook (trade bishops as well).

I highly suggest we trade off pieces. Less pieces on the board mean we get to exploit our 2 pawn advantage over him.

Anyway, assuming he won't take any bait, I'm looking at Rc1 as our next move. Its imperative to get on to his side and cause some disruption.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
December 08 2011 03:08 GMT
#2515
On December 08 2011 11:59 Ng5 wrote:
Feel free to use from now.

Edit: That's a reply to never say never.
Heh, maybe you're right, your confidence makes me laugh. I haven't been a part of this at all so I'll stay out of everyone else's game, thanks for the invitation though.
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
December 08 2011 03:17 GMT
#2516
Hey, the thread's been kinda mild for a while anyway.
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
December 08 2011 03:35 GMT
#2517
On December 08 2011 12:06 qrs wrote:
Wow, once again Ng5 has surprised me. I'd been expecting 25...dxe4 at this point, and I wasn't optimistic about it. There were a couple of other possibilities for Black that I considered, but 25...c5 never crossed my mind. I'm suddenly happy with our position again.

Has Ng5 seen further than us? That remains to be seen, but definitely this is the kind of position we were hoping for when we played 23. Nd2 and 24. fxe3.

26. exd5. Time to start analyzing again.
Changing my vote to abstain for the moment, so that I can look into the possibility of 26. Rc1.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
December 08 2011 03:35 GMT
#2518
On December 08 2011 12:17 Ng5 wrote:
Hey, the thread's been kinda mild for a while anyway.
I think that's inevitable at 3 days per move eh?
Ng5
Profile Joined December 2009
702 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 03:39:19
December 08 2011 03:38 GMT
#2519
It's inevitable if people like Skyrim and other things more.

3 days per move is pretty fast in a correspondence game. If you are half decent you have to know everything by the time you come out of the opening which means you have to research every single sideline of your opening and the positions that can come out of them. In that phase 48 hours on a single move is not even too much and five-six days can fly by even if you don't have a job beside it.

This is why I consider correspondence chess a hobby/playboy/old guy with grandchildren kinda stuff.

Edit: I mean 48 hours clean time, not counting breaks.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
December 08 2011 03:39 GMT
#2520
sigh
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