EPT26.Rc1
putting our Rook into action feels more important than taking a pawn that we can take later anyway. Plus things doesn't look very bleak to my superficial outlook :3
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
26.Rc1 putting our Rook into action feels more important than taking a pawn that we can take later anyway. Plus things doesn't look very bleak to my superficial outlook :3 | ||
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hp.Shell
United States2527 Posts
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HypertonicHydroponic
437 Posts
Edit: btw, someone mentioned not expecting c5... I was pretty convinced this would be the next move when another person even earlier mentioned fearing this move. In many of the lines I played out myself it put black in good position to win since the only real advantage white has right now is material. Busting open the center allows black to exploit the strength of the double bishops and the white king stuck in the corner which at this point is more of a danger than a refuge. | ||
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dtvu
Australia687 Posts
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On December 08 2011 13:24 hp.Shell wrote: + Show Spoiler +26. Rb1 26...RxR 27. NxR dxe4 and Black has gotten a pawn for free. | ||
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GenesisX
Canada4267 Posts
I don't see the problem with 26. exd5? | ||
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mastergriggy
United States1312 Posts
 I feel very bad now. | ||
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ApocAlypsE007
Israel1007 Posts
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Befree
695 Posts
26. Rc1 + Show Spoiler + I think the potential threat to the king and both the bishops make it our best move. With his pawn coming to d4 and ours eventually going to d5, I think we'll be looking good. I think we have a pretty good shot at winning, or at least a draw, still the way it looks. With Rc1, and our Knight/Bishop positions it looks to me like we're in a more powerful position. | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On December 08 2011 15:25 mastergriggy wrote: I don't understand all the pessimism. Suppose 26. dxe5. Where do you see the loss for White here? Give me a line.I honestly feel like this game is lost for white, although I was one of the people who voted e4. Between working 50 hours a week, commuting back and fourth between towns twice a week, and skyrim, I ran out of time for chess I feel very bad now. | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + because of 26. Rc1 Bd6 edited for dyslexia (thanks, mastergriggy!) | ||
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loginn
France815 Posts
This is how i see things going. + Show Spoiler + 26.Rc1-c4 which is really bad. We lose some more tempo or lose a pawn. His pawn is already passed so he doesn't need to take our pawn in d4 with it. I don't like 26.dxe5 either. Afterwards we cannot do anything with our pawn anymore. It'll be stuck there forever until it dies. I'm considering 26.Be3. What do you guys think ?? | ||
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TheRidd
713 Posts
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TheRidd
713 Posts
On December 08 2011 21:54 loginn wrote: This is how i see things going. + Show Spoiler + 26.Rc1-c4 which is really bad. We lose some more tempo or lose a pawn. His pawn is already passed so he doesn't need to take our pawn in d4 with it. I don't like 26.dxe5 either. Afterwards we cannot do anything with our pawn anymore. It'll be stuck there forever until it dies. I'm considering 26.Be3. What do you guys think ?? Well it will be 26.Be3 cxd4 right ? | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On December 08 2011 21:54 loginn wrote: As I said above, I'm leaning against 26. Rc1 for a different reason + Show Spoiler +This is how i see things going. + Show Spoiler + 26.Rc1-c4 which is really bad. We lose some more tempo or lose a pawn. His pawn is already passed so he doesn't need to take our pawn in d4 with it. I don't like 26.dxe5 either. Afterwards we cannot do anything with our pawn anymore. It'll be stuck there forever until it dies. I'm considering 26.Be3. What do you guys think ?? 26...Bd6 26. Rc1 c4 27. dxe5 As for 26. Be3?, TheRidd has already addressed the problem with that. | ||
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mastergriggy
United States1312 Posts
On December 08 2011 20:24 qrs wrote: I don't understand all the pessimism. Suppose 26. dxe5. Where do you see the loss for White here? Give me a line. + Show Spoiler + Here is the line I see, 26. exd5 (I'm assuming this is what you meant) cxd4 27. Ne4 Bd3 28. Ng3 Bd6 is what I got so far. Black recovers both of his pawns and has a much better passed pawn than white. At worse I give an advantage to black. I'm looking over other variations to the line right now, and I will post them later. | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On December 09 2011 01:59 mastergriggy wrote: Thanks for the correction--yes, exd5 is what I meant.+ Show Spoiler + Here is the line I see, 26. exd5 (I'm assuming this is what you meant) cxd4 27. Ne4 Bd3 28. Ng3 Bd6 is what I got so far. Black recovers both of his pawns and has a much better passed pawn than white. At worse I give an advantage to black. I'm looking over other variations to the line right now, and I will post them later. + Show Spoiler + I'm not sure what the goal behind Ne4 is--as your line shows, the Knight can be chased away without accomplishing very much. My mainline here is 27. Rc1, preventing 28...Bc5 (more robustly than 27. Ne4 does), threatening various pins and forks like Rc7+ or Rc6, and generally getting our Rook out of his defensive niche into an active position. If 27....Bd6, I think we're fine playing 28. BxB. If 27. Bxa3, we can play 28. Rc7+, which is interesting. | ||
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Mash2
United States132 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
On December 09 2011 05:50 Mash2 wrote: exd5 Why? On December 09 2011 01:59 mastergriggy wrote: + Show Spoiler + Here is the line I see, 26. exd5 (I'm assuming this is what you meant) cxd4 27. Ne4 Bd3 28. Ng3 Bd6 is what I got so far. Black recovers both of his pawns and has a much better passed pawn than white. At worse I give an advantage to black. I'm looking over other variations to the line right now, and I will post them later. I don't see how we can avoid the line mastergriggy has written here, therefore I am hesitant to play 26. exd5. I'm not sure what move to vote atm, but at the very least I know that I will also vote to Offer Draw | ||
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hp.Shell
United States2527 Posts
Rc1 after further review. | ||
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