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LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
February 07 2013 19:20 GMT
#1981
Yeah, those starts are pretty awful.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
February 07 2013 19:25 GMT
#1982
On February 08 2013 02:36 Simberto wrote:
Ok, Transsylvania has the most retarded start in the game. You are a vassal, and the golden horde never accepts any form of tribute. You sliders suck major balls too, you can't even trade at all. So basically, you need to first get rid of the vassalisation by hungary without them slaughtering you, THEN you need to somehow convince the GH to accept tribute instead of just eating you, and if you have somehow managed to do that, you can start actually doing stuff.

oh hey, pskov here, the russian opm that teutonic order always gets a free conquest belli on
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LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
February 07 2013 19:26 GMT
#1983
On February 07 2013 09:51 Madkipz wrote:
I have been trying to play as Transylvania because of Dracula, but it is very hard to get beyond a 4 state province after absorbing Wallachia through puppeteering into a demanded annexation just outright annexing them. I once managed to make puppets out of both Naples, Sicilily and gained control over Greece, but lost the game because I became mired in debt to the point of no return.

Anybody have any tips? I play on the normal settings with divine wind and I'm not using any addons.


If you get into minor wars through alliances or whatnot, if you can extract even a few ducats it's quite useful since your trading sliders are terrible. Having a Master of the Mint around to help minimize inflation from minting is super important too. In those situations I also try to get Military Drill quickly then focus on land tech to maintain some kind of equilibrium against superior numbers. You just don't have the sliders to try to focus on economic or tech ideas. Minor nations with bad sliders have to be really opportunistic, take every advantage to win wars against rivals and threats, absorb or vassalize other minor nations quickly and focus on building powerful military.
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LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
February 07 2013 19:28 GMT
#1984
On February 08 2013 04:25 Caller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2013 02:36 Simberto wrote:
Ok, Transsylvania has the most retarded start in the game. You are a vassal, and the golden horde never accepts any form of tribute. You sliders suck major balls too, you can't even trade at all. So basically, you need to first get rid of the vassalisation by hungary without them slaughtering you, THEN you need to somehow convince the GH to accept tribute instead of just eating you, and if you have somehow managed to do that, you can start actually doing stuff.

oh hey, pskov here, the russian opm that teutonic order always gets a free conquest belli on


Pffft. Bar. OPM, rich, productive province, links the northern half of Burgundy to the southern half (assuming the 1399 start etc), Burgundy has a free conquest causus belli. That's the nation I've had by far the most unpause into restart situations with.

On the other hand, they're super fun to play, IMO, since if you can not die on the first day you're playing a monarchy in the HRE with probably the best sliders in the game.
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11588 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-07 19:46:28
February 07 2013 19:45 GMT
#1985
On February 08 2013 04:26 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2013 09:51 Madkipz wrote:
I have been trying to play as Transylvania because of Dracula, but it is very hard to get beyond a 4 state province after absorbing Wallachia through puppeteering into a demanded annexation just outright annexing them. I once managed to make puppets out of both Naples, Sicilily and gained control over Greece, but lost the game because I became mired in debt to the point of no return.

Anybody have any tips? I play on the normal settings with divine wind and I'm not using any addons.


If you get into minor wars through alliances or whatnot, if you can extract even a few ducats it's quite useful since your trading sliders are terrible. Having a Master of the Mint around to help minimize inflation from minting is super important too. In those situations I also try to get Military Drill quickly then focus on land tech to maintain some kind of equilibrium against superior numbers. You just don't have the sliders to try to focus on economic or tech ideas. Minor nations with bad sliders have to be really opportunistic, take every advantage to win wars against rivals and threats, absorb or vassalize other minor nations quickly and focus on building powerful military.


A MoM is not cost effective on Transsylvania. For a MoM to be cost effective, you need to have a ratio of at least 1:1 of ducats/inflation, which means you need to have a monthly income of at least 10. Otherwise he does not pay for himself. Remember that the additionally minted money needs to exceed the amount you pay for the MoM.

The main problem i have had with my TS starts so far is that i was unable to convince the GH to accept my tribute after they bordered me, and they either vassalised me or simply ate me. I think this is the most important thing you need to achieve. After you have done that, you can do the typical small nation stuff. Any ideas how to make the GH accept your tribute?
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-07 20:34:32
February 07 2013 20:30 GMT
#1986
The MoM is going to be something you're looking at for a little later, after you've gotten some provinces under your belt. It's there to keep you from losing a promising start and some expansion to debt problems.

As for the GH, I'm wondering if it might be worth keeping the vassalization with Hungary for a while. Expand towards the GH so you have a buffer you can scorch when they send their doom stacks, maybe? And that should let you recruit their troop types for a while as well. It won't be cost-effective, but your problem is just gonna be living through the first 50 years.

Edit: I don't think expanding towards them will work, actually. You won't have the money, and if they're focusing you you won't be able to hold that border province. I think keeping Hungary and scorching your way through the first incursion is the answer. Maybe. I'll try it out as soon as I have a chance.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
February 07 2013 20:37 GMT
#1987
On February 08 2013 04:28 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2013 04:25 Caller wrote:
On February 08 2013 02:36 Simberto wrote:
Ok, Transsylvania has the most retarded start in the game. You are a vassal, and the golden horde never accepts any form of tribute. You sliders suck major balls too, you can't even trade at all. So basically, you need to first get rid of the vassalisation by hungary without them slaughtering you, THEN you need to somehow convince the GH to accept tribute instead of just eating you, and if you have somehow managed to do that, you can start actually doing stuff.

oh hey, pskov here, the russian opm that teutonic order always gets a free conquest belli on


Pffft. Bar. OPM, rich, productive province, links the northern half of Burgundy to the southern half (assuming the 1399 start etc), Burgundy has a free conquest causus belli. That's the nation I've had by far the most unpause into restart situations with.

On the other hand, they're super fun to play, IMO, since if you can not die on the first day you're playing a monarchy in the HRE with probably the best sliders in the game.

yeahhhhhh pskov is russian orthodox and next to holy orders that have automatic cleansing of heresy casus belli AND eastern tech group AND shit sliders (well free trade is okish) AND nobody is around to kick the shit out of burgundy AND not hre
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LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
February 07 2013 20:42 GMT
#1988
Doesn't change much, since Bar starts with 22,000 troops a maximum of two provinces away. It doesn't matter if Burgundy gets the shit kicked out of it, since you start with no alliances. You get DoW'd and annexed within the first month. Whatever happens to Burgundy after that doesn't matter since you're not around for it.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
February 07 2013 20:46 GMT
#1989
On February 08 2013 05:42 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Doesn't change much, since Bar starts with 22,000 troops a maximum of two provinces away. It doesn't matter if Burgundy gets the shit kicked out of it, since you start with no alliances. You get DoW'd and annexed within the first month. Whatever happens to Burgundy after that doesn't matter since you're not around for it.

wait you mean how like the teutons start with a doomstack next to your shit, nobody wants to fuck with them, and they almost always kill you (barring the one time i got super lucky on dice + attrition)
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LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
February 07 2013 20:52 GMT
#1990
Yeah, getting lucky on dice/attrition isn't really an option with Bar. You have to get lucky with diplomacy and either get a day-one alliance with France or get Burgundy to accept some sort of treaty with you (which is Impossible). Either way, opms next to doomstacks with casus belli is a shit situation.
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Madkipz
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Norway1643 Posts
February 07 2013 22:31 GMT
#1991
On February 08 2013 04:45 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2013 04:26 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On February 07 2013 09:51 Madkipz wrote:
I have been trying to play as Transylvania because of Dracula, but it is very hard to get beyond a 4 state province after absorbing Wallachia through puppeteering into a demanded annexation just outright annexing them. I once managed to make puppets out of both Naples, Sicilily and gained control over Greece, but lost the game because I became mired in debt to the point of no return.

Anybody have any tips? I play on the normal settings with divine wind and I'm not using any addons.


If you get into minor wars through alliances or whatnot, if you can extract even a few ducats it's quite useful since your trading sliders are terrible. Having a Master of the Mint around to help minimize inflation from minting is super important too. In those situations I also try to get Military Drill quickly then focus on land tech to maintain some kind of equilibrium against superior numbers. You just don't have the sliders to try to focus on economic or tech ideas. Minor nations with bad sliders have to be really opportunistic, take every advantage to win wars against rivals and threats, absorb or vassalize other minor nations quickly and focus on building powerful military.


A MoM is not cost effective on Transsylvania. For a MoM to be cost effective, you need to have a ratio of at least 1:1 of ducats/inflation, which means you need to have a monthly income of at least 10. Otherwise he does not pay for himself. Remember that the additionally minted money needs to exceed the amount you pay for the MoM.

The main problem i have had with my TS starts so far is that i was unable to convince the GH to accept my tribute after they bordered me, and they either vassalised me or simply ate me. I think this is the most important thing you need to achieve. After you have done that, you can do the typical small nation stuff. Any ideas how to make the GH accept your tribute?


What I have done so far with Transylvania is either kept playing vassal until Hungary concedes to the horde. Basically then the horde asks for them to remove me as a vassal without anything special required. What I then do is I attack wallachia to get a bit more manpower and money to spend. National bank idea to help mint money, and then hope to god that you still have some 1-2 state minors down in the greek territories that dont have too terrifying allies. Once you have independence then poland might want your arse, or Hungary. xD
"Mudkip"
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11588 Posts
February 07 2013 23:23 GMT
#1992
Yes, but none of that helps with the main problem i encounter, which is that the GH just kills Moldavia and borders me 3-4 years in, and then completely ignore any of my surrender attempts. If the GH would allow me to pay tribute to them, i doubt i would have a lot of problems afterwards, but convincing them of that is pretty hard. Getting rid of the vassalisation is not that much of a problem since hungary does not go to war for it most of the time (I play on VH/LA).

But the GH just sieges my stuff, fucks up hungary in the meantime, and either forces vassalisation on me or just consumes me. I guess i could try to continue after being their vassal, but i don't see a good way to achieve anything in that position. From my games from other parts of the world, the GH usually gets stopped once they reach Bohemia or Austria, eating half of Poland and Lithuania on the way, but that won't really help me. I guess i could attempt to waste some of their time and armies with scorched earth and maybe recapturing provinces by arriving just after their army leaves, and hope that they will agree to accept my tribute after a bit more of that. Once i am paying tribute to them i could start to build some semblance of a stabile empire by conquering/vassalising stuff opportunistically.
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
February 07 2013 23:32 GMT
#1993
Do you drop being vassalized by Hungary before you encounter the GH?

The best way to deal with them seems like drawing as many nations into war with them as possible.
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11588 Posts
February 08 2013 02:15 GMT
#1994
Hungary always gets drawn in anyways. Apparently the whole thing is slightly luck based, and if you annoy them a bit they accept tribute. Now strangely enough Hungary took the one border province from them, and i got both Wallachia and Aquilaea as vassals through a weird war (Basically Hungary was allied with me and crushed them, plus venice crushed aquilaea first), and i don't even border the horde anymore so i don't have to pay tribute. I assume the next critical problem will arise once i inevitably border the horde again after they take the rest of moldavia or that one province back from hungary, but other then that i am pretty much set up now. Have to burn a bit of infamy for the next 10-20 years, and just look for further opportunities to snatch some stuff here and there. Sadly enough Hungary does not give me military access which greatly limits the areas i can reach since they practically envelope me. But i somehow managed to get mil access from the ottomans, so i might be able to beat up Byzantium.
bK-
Profile Joined June 2012
United States326 Posts
February 18 2013 22:32 GMT
#1995
I did not know TL had a forum dedicated to EU3. For the longest time I have been trying to get a small group of people who share the same enjoyment of EU3 Divine Wind 5.2 + Death and Taxes 9.2. If you do and want a small group to play with shoot me a PM. We use ventrilo to talk to each other and are willing to help/teach the game to newer players.
We all want to live by each other's happiness, not by each other's misery. We don't want to hate and despise one another. In this world there is room for everyone and the earth is rich and can provide for everyone.
myzael
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Poland605 Posts
February 22 2013 23:00 GMT
#1996
Does anyone have a spare EU3:Chronicles code they gave away a while ago? I wish I have registered earlier...
Alicuza
Profile Joined August 2011
2 Posts
March 29 2013 07:40 GMT
#1997
You can get Chronicles on indiegala, if you beat the average. It's currently about 5$.
Biochemist
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1008 Posts
April 12 2013 20:50 GMT
#1998
I'm sorry if this has been asked before, but I've been playing with this for several hours this morning and no luck so far.

Anyone have any luck running a PC version of EU3 on OSX Lion using something like Wine? I've tried installing both chronicles and the complete pack, and both versions it gets to the "Creating Checksum" stage of the loading screen and then crashes.
AA.spoon
Profile Joined January 2011
Belgium331 Posts
May 24 2013 06:51 GMT
#1999
I'd really like to play this game multiplayer. Are their any experienced MP players on this forum? I'd wish to organize a MP game in the future. I currently have exams at university, so no time now, but maybe in a month.
I don't have the official game tough... (cracked DW 5.1) And thus can't post on PI forums.

Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
May 26 2013 21:30 GMT
#2000
Glad to see people are still playing this awesome game (just posting to be on page 100 of this awesome thread).
11 years and counting- TL #680
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