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Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
September 18 2013 12:01 GMT
#6861
Nice, I wanted to watch it again seriously.
Because the first time it aired, it was more in the liens of "WHAT IS HAPPENING".
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Crypdos
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands110 Posts
September 18 2013 13:02 GMT
#6862
Hey,

I've been playing SF4 since vanilla and SC2 since shortly after beta. I played the shit out of both games and got to a pretty high rank in both ones.

This might sound a bit provoking, but I really think SF4 takes more skill than SC2.
In SF4 you really have to put a lot of thought into every single round - analyze your opponent, establish mindgames etc etc. While in SC2, it's more about not making mistakes, and executing your generic 3base macro build as good as you can. You can kinda play SC2 on autopilot, relying a lot on muscle memory to win without putting a lot of thought into the game. You are basically practising one huge flowchart (which would be called a style in starcraft terms), which covers everything that your opponent can do. The thing that defines succes is then how well you execute it.
You can't approach SF4 with this flowchart mentality and expect a lot of succes, and I think that's what makes it a lot harder.

I would love your input on this.
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-18 13:18:56
September 18 2013 13:14 GMT
#6863
There's no point comparing skill curves for different types of games. SC2 and fighting games require completely different skillsets. Constant practice is required to compete at the highest level in either one, so we can say the skill ceilings are approximately equal. SC2 is certainly more difficult mechanically, and SF4 is certainly more difficult in the categories of knowledge/reflexes/reading your opponent.

By the way, I know this is the Street Fighter thread, but if you want to play the "Brood War" of fighting games, try Guilty Gear or Vampire Savior.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
ain
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany786 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-18 13:14:38
September 18 2013 13:14 GMT
#6864
On September 18 2013 22:02 Crypdos wrote:
Hey,

I've been playing SF4 since vanilla and SC2 since shortly after beta. I played the shit out of both games and got to a pretty high rank in both ones.

This might sound a bit provoking, but I really think SF4 takes more skill than SC2.
In SF4 you really have to put a lot of thought into every single round - analyze your opponent, establish mindgames etc etc. While in SC2, it's more about not making mistakes, and executing your generic 3base macro build as good as you can. You can kinda play SC2 on autopilot, relying a lot on muscle memory to win without putting a lot of thought into the game. You are basically practising one huge flowchart (which would be called a style in starcraft terms), which covers everything that your opponent can do. The thing that defines succes is then how well you execute it.
You can't approach SF4 with this flowchart mentality and expect a lot of succes, and I think that's what makes it a lot harder.

I would love your input on this.

Yes, the two games require a completely different set of skills. The flowchart part is true to a large degree, but I think you're underestimating the importance of mindgames and flexibility in sc2.
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
September 18 2013 13:56 GMT
#6865
You cannot really compare games across genres in terms pf skill requirements.
I play both AE and Dota2 (not high level though) and although there are some similarities between the game (if you think of it), they are still very different games.
AE is about 1v1 battles, Dota is a 5v5 game.
In AE, if you are skilled enough any character can make you win games, but in Dota2 you have to take more things into consideration, like synergy between all the heroes (You will not see a pro-team picking 5 hard carries on the same team)
EZ4ENCE
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
September 18 2013 14:06 GMT
#6866
I think you're looking at a game of sc2 the wrong way. Usually what you see as being flowchart and autopilot is macroing and having a good build I guess, but for me that's more comparable to having good execution in Street fighter terms.
Having a style in Starcraft doesn't mean you can win without making any decisions relative to the individual match you're playing, like where to attack, when to attack, microing and all other things.

" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
September 18 2013 18:25 GMT
#6867
I think I have managed to get a fight stick working for PC! Will get KOF on Steam and play SF now :D
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
Looms
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4624 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-20 11:02:15
September 20 2013 11:01 GMT
#6868
The Mad Catz showmatches at the Tokyo Game Show should be starting soon. Pretty nice list of FT5 matches for the undercard, then we will see the highly anticipated Daigo vs Infiltration FT10 main event.

WW.MCZ|Ryan Hart vs. Bonchan
DM.MCZ|Xian vs. Kazunoko
MCZ|Mago vs. RZR|Fuudo
MCZ|Tokido vs. EG|Justin Wong
MCZ|Daigo Umehara vs. Infiltration

http://madcatz.com/mad-catz-unveiled-live-from-tokyo/
2stra
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands928 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-20 11:03:46
September 20 2013 11:03 GMT
#6869
Daigo vs Infiltration stream ft10 & other show-matches are starting soon. Stream is here!

edit: ninja'd
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
September 20 2013 12:06 GMT
#6870
That Bonshan vs Ryan Hart Sagat mirror was way more hyped and fun than I thought it would be.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
St3MoR
Profile Joined November 2002
Spain3256 Posts
September 20 2013 12:12 GMT
#6871
sick match indeed

xian vs kazunoko next, hopefully xian can win vs kazunoko, i hate the guy!!!!
Prophet in TL of the Makoto0124 ways
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-20 13:01:59
September 20 2013 12:24 GMT
#6872
I'm learning Yun these days so I'm watching a lot of Kazunoko, and yeah, the guy is a bit weird and trolly. And his Yun is very YOLO-ish, but heh, it works for him.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
2stra
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands928 Posts
September 20 2013 12:26 GMT
#6873
whoa reactions!! let's go xian
St3MoR
Profile Joined November 2002
Spain3256 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-20 12:48:06
September 20 2013 12:46 GMT
#6874
On September 20 2013 21:24 Noocta wrote:
I'm learning Yun these days so I'm watching a lot of Kazunoko, and yeah, the guy is a bit weird and trolly. And he's Yun is very YOLO-ish, but heh, it works for him.


and that's what people usually hate the most about him, nonetheless he is a GREAT player

would like to see him play poker too.
Prophet in TL of the Makoto0124 ways
a3den
Profile Joined April 2012
704 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-20 12:58:44
September 20 2013 12:53 GMT
#6875
On September 20 2013 21:46 St3MoR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 21:24 Noocta wrote:
I'm learning Yun these days so I'm watching a lot of Kazunoko, and yeah, the guy is a bit weird and trolly. And he's Yun is very YOLO-ish, but heh, it works for him.


and that's what people usually hate the most about him, nonetheless he is a GREAT player

would like to see him play poker too.


I see some people calling him out on twitter, saying he's playing more WoT and LoL than SSF4 these days. Deja vu.

But I agree he's a great player.

Wouldn't be surprised if he went back to GG once GGXrd gets an arcade release though (and if it's a good game).
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
September 20 2013 13:22 GMT
#6876
Just played a Guile on PC with a...strange playstyle (I was E.Ryu the first game and Rose for the last two matches)

The playstyle in a nutshell, don't ever use any specials, supers or ultras (Well he did use some Sonic Booms in the last game but still) and instead focus on jumping attacks so that I have to guess what to do and how to block

It worked, defiantly caught me off-guard, and I'm also a bit rusty on the game (And with the Portal pack coming for Dota2 next week, I don't think I'll play much other games than Dota2)
EZ4ENCE
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
September 20 2013 13:42 GMT
#6877
Daigo is meaning business
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
September 20 2013 14:05 GMT
#6878
lol Daigo's efficiency is pretty ridiculous
Dizmaul
Profile Joined March 2010
United States831 Posts
September 20 2013 14:09 GMT
#6879
wow daigo is too good hah
It is what it is
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
September 20 2013 14:10 GMT
#6880
Pixel perfect spacing, all the time.
Daigo level of perfection make anyone look like amateurs right now.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
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