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Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
August 12 2013 05:49 GMT
#6721
On August 12 2013 14:35 Aando wrote:
I hate this game. First I can do a combo 50 times in a row and then suddenly I get brain aneurysm or something and I can't do the combo at all... Am I alone to suffer from this? How do you guys do when it happens, take a break or work through it?


In a match? If you drop a combo, you just have to forget about it and play on from the situation you're in. If you're dropping it a lot, enter training mode when convenient and go over it a few times. Sometimes the setup lag or nerves will get to you, and you just need to reinforce your confidence.

It also might be worth it to have a training routine that you go over 3-4 times a week to nail down your BnB's and setups. I have one for every game that I play.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
Aando
Profile Joined August 2011
1304 Posts
August 12 2013 06:26 GMT
#6722
Lol, apparently you can do specials with button release as well as the normal button pressed down. I did not know that. It started in a match and then I went into the training room to try the combo again and it always came out wrong. The button released doesn't come out on the input data so I had a bit trouble figuring out what I did wrong.
Pooshlmer
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1001 Posts
August 12 2013 06:31 GMT
#6723
It's a holdover from Street Fighter 2. A ton of the combo/link stuff are just bugs in the SF2 engine that people ended up liking.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
August 12 2013 09:31 GMT
#6724
On August 12 2013 15:26 Aando wrote:
Lol, apparently you can do specials with button release as well as the normal button pressed down. I did not know that. It started in a match and then I went into the training room to try the combo again and it always came out wrong. The button released doesn't come out on the input data so I had a bit trouble figuring out what I did wrong.


Yep
It's a good tool for some characters. You can "buffer" a special when doing a normal if it's the same button press really easily that way.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Aando
Profile Joined August 2011
1304 Posts
August 12 2013 10:05 GMT
#6725
On August 12 2013 18:31 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 15:26 Aando wrote:
Lol, apparently you can do specials with button release as well as the normal button pressed down. I did not know that. It started in a match and then I went into the training room to try the combo again and it always came out wrong. The button released doesn't come out on the input data so I had a bit trouble figuring out what I did wrong.


Yep
It's a good tool for some characters. You can "buffer" a special when doing a normal if it's the same button press really easily that way.

It has been fucking annoying when I've been trying out Yang now. It happens quite often that I in combos cancel into teleport instead of slashes from cr.mk. I guess I need to be more strict with my inputs.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
August 12 2013 10:52 GMT
#6726
On August 12 2013 19:05 Aando wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 18:31 Noocta wrote:
On August 12 2013 15:26 Aando wrote:
Lol, apparently you can do specials with button release as well as the normal button pressed down. I did not know that. It started in a match and then I went into the training room to try the combo again and it always came out wrong. The button released doesn't come out on the input data so I had a bit trouble figuring out what I did wrong.


Yep
It's a good tool for some characters. You can "buffer" a special when doing a normal if it's the same button press really easily that way.

It has been fucking annoying when I've been trying out Yang now. It happens quite often that I in combos cancel into teleport instead of slashes from cr.mk. I guess I need to be more strict with my inputs.


It's annoying in that case ye.
I'm having trouble because of it on Viper when doing crMK > Medium TK
It foetn comes out with a ground burnkick instead which is awful.

Bad habits from Makoto where doing crMP / sMP buffer hayate is literally awesome.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
St3MoR
Profile Joined November 2002
Spain3256 Posts
August 12 2013 11:01 GMT
#6727
wow just saw the results on EH

congrats for that 3rd place FakeSteve!!!
Prophet in TL of the Makoto0124 ways
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
August 12 2013 11:11 GMT
#6728
On August 12 2013 14:35 Aando wrote:
I hate this game. First I can do a combo 50 times in a row and then suddenly I get brain aneurysm or something and I can't do the combo at all... Am I alone to suffer from this? How do you guys do when it happens, take a break or work through it?

Not the exact same thing. But at times I do have problems when I take my loses too hard, and not "rewarding myself" for my victories. I usually do other stuff in order to improve; may it be coding, reading comics, watching YouTube videos or playing other games for a while.
EZ4ENCE
St3MoR
Profile Joined November 2002
Spain3256 Posts
August 12 2013 11:30 GMT
#6729
On August 12 2013 03:06 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 02:53 WindWolf wrote:
Ragequiters aren't that common in this game? Had one a few days ago, had another one today I mean, what's wrong with switching character in online rematches despite that you won earlier.
On August 11 2013 08:28 Lemstar wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:40 WindWolf wrote:
What cipset are you talking about?

Old MadCatz PS3 sticks don't work with Nvidia USB chipsets. I think they fixed it by the time Round 2 TEs came out.

Ok. But if I'm buying a stick, it'll be a Xbox 360 one.


If you ragequit you usually lose you points anyway, so I don't understand why people do it.
Hand like one or two people do it in more than 2000 ranked games.. It's not that common.

By the way, any Vega players here ?
I'm so lost when playing against him, I probably have a sub 15% winrate against that fucker. ~~



i'm claw main, shoot i'll try to help
Prophet in TL of the Makoto0124 ways
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
August 13 2013 12:25 GMT
#6730
Finally got my main (Juri) up to C+. I'm happy now!
EZ4ENCE
Ophe
Profile Joined July 2012
Sweden388 Posts
August 13 2013 15:15 GMT
#6731
I just met some poor guy in endless who I think was trying to learn me how to play. He would jump in like 5 times in a row and maybe the 5'th I managed to get out shoryuken. Then he would hurricane kick though my fireballs like 5 times in a row and I got kicked in the face every time. Then he'd jump in again 4-5 times without me doing shoryoken and then throw a bunch of fireballs expecting me to hurricane kick through them etc. This went on for like 15 games with me sucking as badley as I did when he started. I felt a bit sad disappointing him so.
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
August 13 2013 16:19 GMT
#6732
On August 12 2013 14:35 Aando wrote:
I hate this game. First I can do a combo 50 times in a row and then suddenly I get brain aneurysm or something and I can't do the combo at all... Am I alone to suffer from this? How do you guys do when it happens, take a break or work through it?



Funny someone posted this because I was going through EXACT same thing in training mode (for Arcana Heart 3 though. Dat Fire Elsa).

Generally for me, it occurs with a small timing window for something that should be simple like a dash or delaying an air series, and I'll do the combo easily and only mess that part up; however if I'm grinding the combo like 50 times straight and I get to the point where I all of a sudden can't do it, I go straight to taking a break. Its better for me at least to relax and think about the combo later, as once it happens I won't be able to even do the easier parts of the combo if I keep going.

If I had to put it in phases its like:
1. Slowly learning the combo and trying it (generally breaking down some parts of the combo to see timings/windows)
2. Grinding it to the point where it's almost auto-pilot (training mode starts dash forward do combo. If you mess up restart rinse/repeat)
3a. If I got it down Yay
3b. If I don't I keep going until I inevitably break and eventually my brain will shut down and I can't even do easy inputs like SRK's or HCB's, so I stop to take a break
Forever Young
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 13 2013 17:45 GMT
#6733
On August 12 2013 18:31 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 15:26 Aando wrote:
Lol, apparently you can do specials with button release as well as the normal button pressed down. I did not know that. It started in a match and then I went into the training room to try the combo again and it always came out wrong. The button released doesn't come out on the input data so I had a bit trouble figuring out what I did wrong.


Yep
It's a good tool for some characters. You can "buffer" a special when doing a normal if it's the same button press really easily that way.

I like it on Juri when I do her fireball store -> ultra 2 combo. Otherwise I don't really see much use for it...

Oni would be so much better if cr.MK comboed into something :/
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-13 18:10:58
August 13 2013 18:09 GMT
#6734
On August 12 2013 14:35 Aando wrote:
I hate this game. First I can do a combo 50 times in a row and then suddenly I get brain aneurysm or something and I can't do the combo at all... Am I alone to suffer from this? How do you guys do when it happens, take a break or work through it?

You're not alone.

I still don't know why I sometimes with Juri can combo j.MP into Shikusen, but most of the times not
EZ4ENCE
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
August 13 2013 18:22 GMT
#6735
It's just about muscle memory. Sometimes your brains isn't at it and it need some time to rest / some warm up to do combos correctly.
Some combos are just a bitch tho. I have no consistency on thing like sHP > Hayate cancel > sMP and I see pros missing it a freak ton too, so I don't know if it's even my fault lol.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-13 20:14:24
August 13 2013 20:13 GMT
#6736
On August 12 2013 20:01 St3MoR wrote:
wow just saw the results on EH

congrats for that 3rd place FakeSteve!!!


haha thanks! The guy who got 2nd is a good friend of mine and I choked it up pretty bad vs him For us that was the real final cuz none of us were gonna beat Kbrad haha

I had a fucked up bracket - despite winning pretty much every ranbat in the last 6 months I wasn't seeded at all. Amin (the guy who got 2nd) had to play 3 matches to get outta pools, whereas I had to play 6. Didn't help that I played like complete garbage during pools so it wasn't as easy as it shoulda been. Then there was those two fellows from Sask, Bad@Games and that T-hawk (if anyone's watched the stream or archives) who are both pretty new to the game, but made top 8 over a lot of more deserving players because they got put in a 5 man pool with 3 of their other buddies who are also new to the game. Meanwhile I'm slogging through a pool that doesn't have one single player that couldn't make top8 in another pool. Go figure :/ Props to the Sask guys for being super nice and repping well tho. Nothin but love for those guys, they're good kids and they travelled pretty far to get here.

I didn't get to play Combofiend and Kbrad seems much more interested in Marvel while he's here (we have actual top players in that game here - anyone know Bee?), which sucks, because if I can't play people better than me I'm not gonna improve further. I'm at the point now where if I play ft10 against almost everyone in Edmonton, I'll win 10-0 or 10-2 or something. That's why I get so excited when my homies from Calgary (like Amin, or Nav [Shadow Singh 4D]) come out, cuz they're good. Kbrad is here for a couple days yet, so maybe I'll have the chance to run some serious sets.

I got some other complaints that I won't get into here, but overall it was a fun tournament.

anyway, archives!
http://www.twitch.tv/edmontongamers/b/444226379
top8 starts at 30:00

Again, I really don't feel like I played well this tournament, so be brutal with your criticisms. if you notice something I didn't, then its gonna help me!
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
sOda~
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom441 Posts
August 13 2013 20:44 GMT
#6737
On August 12 2013 03:06 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 02:53 WindWolf wrote:
Ragequiters aren't that common in this game? Had one a few days ago, had another one today I mean, what's wrong with switching character in online rematches despite that you won earlier.
On August 11 2013 08:28 Lemstar wrote:
On August 11 2013 06:40 WindWolf wrote:
What cipset are you talking about?

Old MadCatz PS3 sticks don't work with Nvidia USB chipsets. I think they fixed it by the time Round 2 TEs came out.

Ok. But if I'm buying a stick, it'll be a Xbox 360 one.


If you ragequit you usually lose you points anyway, so I don't understand why people do it.
Hand like one or two people do it in more than 2000 ranked games.. It's not that common.

By the way, any Vega players here ?
I'm so lost when playing against him, I probably have a sub 15% winrate against that fucker. ~~


Maybe you already know this but with makoto you can punish a vega's whiffed wall jump thing with U2. Helped me out alot.
IM THE SHIT BITCH
St3MoR
Profile Joined November 2002
Spain3256 Posts
August 13 2013 21:05 GMT
#6738
oh are the walldives the problem? just fukiage hit attempts and dash dash dash karakusa the whiffs
Prophet in TL of the Makoto0124 ways
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
August 13 2013 21:08 GMT
#6739
if you're losing to Vega with a character like Makoto, then you're trying to go in too hard. You need to chill out vs this character and wait for your opportunities. he is fucking free on wakeup and if Makoto corners him he is usually dead, so just try to take a lot less stray poke damage, and don't take unnecessary risks from neutral. You have to play for that momentum burst, so be conservative until your chance arrives
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
August 13 2013 21:19 GMT
#6740
I know about the Ultra2 on Walldive thing, but I never practiced it so I don't really know when to do it oO
It's like only when he wall dive but jump down without doing anything, right ? Kinda like a Oga with no follow up ?

I know that most of my tools are good against him, but I'm just confused, waiting for a moment to strike because I have no idea how to punish his stuff D:
I find it hard to stay in too. I don't use option select that well so i let them escape too escape with Back Hop or I just get punished away by his normals.
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