On March 11 2013 20:26 Aylear wrote: Don't worry about tier lists when you pick your character. To start - and like Cel.erity said - this generation of fighters is the most balanced of the lot, so picking a "bottom tier" character in AE really is like picking a mid tier character in games that came before it. You can do well with anyone in the cast. Chris Hu had fun with Oni for a time, and there's a European player (a Swede, I think) who uses Dan. The last major was won by a Gen (a character everyone is afraid of but nobody plays).
Also, this list has a good bit of bullshit in it.
Besides, these lists assume equal skill and highest level of play, which is irrelevant for 99% of of us.
I agree with your sentiments. As someone who's really bad at this game, I don't look at them so much for expecting to win 30% online in a 3-7 for example, but rather, I think of it as a "matchups to look out for or think harder about". Even at low levels I believe there are still some matchups which will invariably feel more difficult (not always correlated to "better" characters being more difficult, either), even when facing a variety of players/playstyles of the same character. But it's more of an opportunity to think outside the box or find those more intricate secrets and tendencies that can turn a high-level 3-7 into a low-level 7-3.
Also your first point is the most important imo: pick who you like! As mentioned, I do play Oni. There's days where I just feel totally out of options or hit a string of tough matches, depending on my mindset and the opponents, and it's easy to say "oh he's bad". But that's crap, and I rag on myself for thinking that after the heat of the moment dies down. And when I win I get hype. Not because he's "low rated". But because I fucking love him as a character and it's fun and exciting.
And that's why I play Gen: because hitting a sick combo into super into ultra to steal a game is such incredible bullshit that it's actually completely awesome!
But I also... kind of... play Viper. And Cammy.
I know. There is no middle finger big enough.
Even if Viper is / was top tiers, playing her is amazingly hard and rewarding.
Got a tourney on the 30th, which is nice cuz I cant afford a trip to Vancouver for April Duels. Probably wont be any out-of-towners, so while it wont be as fun, I prolly got it in the bag. My Sakura is getting more and more solid, but my Cammy is hella oxidized. havent played her in a bit. ive actually got a pocket Guy now tho, but hes not quite ready for prime time
On March 13 2013 10:12 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: Got a tourney on the 30th, which is nice cuz I cant afford a trip to Vancouver for April Duels. Probably wont be any out-of-towners, so while it wont be as fun, I prolly got it in the bag. My Sakura is getting more and more solid, but my Cammy is hella oxidized. havent played her in a bit. ive actually got a pocket Guy now tho, but hes not quite ready for prime time
Local stuff, huh? Is anyone gonna record some games from it, or stream it or whatever?
On March 11 2013 20:26 Aylear wrote: Don't worry about tier lists when you pick your character. To start - and like Cel.erity said - this generation of fighters is the most balanced of the lot, so picking a "bottom tier" character in AE really is like picking a mid tier character in games that came before it. You can do well with anyone in the cast. Chris Hu had fun with Oni for a time, and there's a European player (a Swede, I think) who uses Dan. The last major was won by a Gen (a character everyone is afraid of but nobody plays).
Also, this list has a good bit of bullshit in it.
Besides, these lists assume equal skill and highest level of play, which is irrelevant for 99% of of us.
I agree with your sentiments. As someone who's really bad at this game, I don't look at them so much for expecting to win 30% online in a 3-7 for example, but rather, I think of it as a "matchups to look out for or think harder about". Even at low levels I believe there are still some matchups which will invariably feel more difficult (not always correlated to "better" characters being more difficult, either), even when facing a variety of players/playstyles of the same character. But it's more of an opportunity to think outside the box or find those more intricate secrets and tendencies that can turn a high-level 3-7 into a low-level 7-3.
Also your first point is the most important imo: pick who you like! As mentioned, I do play Oni. There's days where I just feel totally out of options or hit a string of tough matches, depending on my mindset and the opponents, and it's easy to say "oh he's bad". But that's crap, and I rag on myself for thinking that after the heat of the moment dies down. And when I win I get hype. Not because he's "low rated". But because I fucking love him as a character and it's fun and exciting.
And that's why I play Gen: because hitting a sick combo into super into ultra to steal a game is such incredible bullshit that it's actually completely awesome!
But I also... kind of... play Viper. And Cammy.
I know. There is no middle finger big enough.
Even if Viper is / was top tiers, playing her is amazingly hard and rewarding.
Fuck that character. I had to play against krone every weekend for a long time.
On March 11 2013 20:26 Aylear wrote: Don't worry about tier lists when you pick your character. To start - and like Cel.erity said - this generation of fighters is the most balanced of the lot, so picking a "bottom tier" character in AE really is like picking a mid tier character in games that came before it. You can do well with anyone in the cast. Chris Hu had fun with Oni for a time, and there's a European player (a Swede, I think) who uses Dan. The last major was won by a Gen (a character everyone is afraid of but nobody plays).
Also, this list has a good bit of bullshit in it.
Besides, these lists assume equal skill and highest level of play, which is irrelevant for 99% of of us.
I agree with your sentiments. As someone who's really bad at this game, I don't look at them so much for expecting to win 30% online in a 3-7 for example, but rather, I think of it as a "matchups to look out for or think harder about". Even at low levels I believe there are still some matchups which will invariably feel more difficult (not always correlated to "better" characters being more difficult, either), even when facing a variety of players/playstyles of the same character. But it's more of an opportunity to think outside the box or find those more intricate secrets and tendencies that can turn a high-level 3-7 into a low-level 7-3.
Also your first point is the most important imo: pick who you like! As mentioned, I do play Oni. There's days where I just feel totally out of options or hit a string of tough matches, depending on my mindset and the opponents, and it's easy to say "oh he's bad". But that's crap, and I rag on myself for thinking that after the heat of the moment dies down. And when I win I get hype. Not because he's "low rated". But because I fucking love him as a character and it's fun and exciting.
And that's why I play Gen: because hitting a sick combo into super into ultra to steal a game is such incredible bullshit that it's actually completely awesome!
But I also... kind of... play Viper. And Cammy.
I know. There is no middle finger big enough.
Even if Viper is / was top tiers, playing her is amazingly hard and rewarding.
Fuck that character. I had to play against krone every weekend for a long time.
On behalf of all Vipers everywhere: We're sorry. There really is no middle finger big enough.
On March 11 2013 20:26 Aylear wrote: Don't worry about tier lists when you pick your character. To start - and like Cel.erity said - this generation of fighters is the most balanced of the lot, so picking a "bottom tier" character in AE really is like picking a mid tier character in games that came before it. You can do well with anyone in the cast. Chris Hu had fun with Oni for a time, and there's a European player (a Swede, I think) who uses Dan. The last major was won by a Gen (a character everyone is afraid of but nobody plays).
Also, this list has a good bit of bullshit in it.
Besides, these lists assume equal skill and highest level of play, which is irrelevant for 99% of of us.
I agree with your sentiments. As someone who's really bad at this game, I don't look at them so much for expecting to win 30% online in a 3-7 for example, but rather, I think of it as a "matchups to look out for or think harder about". Even at low levels I believe there are still some matchups which will invariably feel more difficult (not always correlated to "better" characters being more difficult, either), even when facing a variety of players/playstyles of the same character. But it's more of an opportunity to think outside the box or find those more intricate secrets and tendencies that can turn a high-level 3-7 into a low-level 7-3.
Also your first point is the most important imo: pick who you like! As mentioned, I do play Oni. There's days where I just feel totally out of options or hit a string of tough matches, depending on my mindset and the opponents, and it's easy to say "oh he's bad". But that's crap, and I rag on myself for thinking that after the heat of the moment dies down. And when I win I get hype. Not because he's "low rated". But because I fucking love him as a character and it's fun and exciting.
And that's why I play Gen: because hitting a sick combo into super into ultra to steal a game is such incredible bullshit that it's actually completely awesome!
But I also... kind of... play Viper. And Cammy.
I know. There is no middle finger big enough.
Even if Viper is / was top tiers, playing her is amazingly hard and rewarding.
Fuck that character. I had to play against krone every weekend for a long time.
On behalf of all Vipers everywhere: We're sorry. There really is no middle finger big enough.
Please, you guys were nowhere near as bad as the Yun terror. Latiff, Wolfkrone, and Kayo were pretty much the only Vipers I saw. Almost everyone was a fucking Yun.
On March 11 2013 20:26 Aylear wrote: Don't worry about tier lists when you pick your character. To start - and like Cel.erity said - this generation of fighters is the most balanced of the lot, so picking a "bottom tier" character in AE really is like picking a mid tier character in games that came before it. You can do well with anyone in the cast. Chris Hu had fun with Oni for a time, and there's a European player (a Swede, I think) who uses Dan. The last major was won by a Gen (a character everyone is afraid of but nobody plays).
Also, this list has a good bit of bullshit in it.
Besides, these lists assume equal skill and highest level of play, which is irrelevant for 99% of of us.
I agree with your sentiments. As someone who's really bad at this game, I don't look at them so much for expecting to win 30% online in a 3-7 for example, but rather, I think of it as a "matchups to look out for or think harder about". Even at low levels I believe there are still some matchups which will invariably feel more difficult (not always correlated to "better" characters being more difficult, either), even when facing a variety of players/playstyles of the same character. But it's more of an opportunity to think outside the box or find those more intricate secrets and tendencies that can turn a high-level 3-7 into a low-level 7-3.
Also your first point is the most important imo: pick who you like! As mentioned, I do play Oni. There's days where I just feel totally out of options or hit a string of tough matches, depending on my mindset and the opponents, and it's easy to say "oh he's bad". But that's crap, and I rag on myself for thinking that after the heat of the moment dies down. And when I win I get hype. Not because he's "low rated". But because I fucking love him as a character and it's fun and exciting.
And that's why I play Gen: because hitting a sick combo into super into ultra to steal a game is such incredible bullshit that it's actually completely awesome!
But I also... kind of... play Viper. And Cammy.
I know. There is no middle finger big enough.
Even if Viper is / was top tiers, playing her is amazingly hard and rewarding.
Fuck that character. I had to play against krone every weekend for a long time.
On behalf of all Vipers everywhere: We're sorry. There really is no middle finger big enough.
Please, you guys were nowhere near as bad as the Yun terror. Latiff, Wolfkrone, and Kayo were pretty much the only Vipers I saw. Almost everyone was a fucking Yun.
Oh I definitely agree, but that was in SF4. For AE, Yun got hit with the nerf stick, and Yang fell off the nerf tree and hit every nerf branch on the way down.
Maybe because I use to main Yang before going to Fei Long due to the nerfs, but I miss Yang. Even though Yang was just...overpowered in the worst way possible, I did not see him as much as I thought I would. I mean, he did not even place top 8 at EVO. To me, he felt like a Cammy. Top tier, but never really placed extremely high in tournaments the way Sagats, Yuns, and Fei Longs have.
Are there any players here that have a pretty confident rush-down style? I'm trying to pick up Seth and having quite a bit of fun learning him, but a lot of games I find myself trying to footsie or lame an opponent out, because I have more experience doing so. What tips could you offer to someone who's still a bit nervous and inexperienced with just getting in that ass, and especially how to do so in a way that's relatively safe. I don't have a lot of practice with hit confirming into big damage either, mostly just punishes and the mid-screen game.
On March 13 2013 21:26 Shiragaku wrote: Maybe because I use to main Yang before going to Fei Long due to the nerfs, but I miss Yang. Even though Yang was just...overpowered in the worst way possible, I did not see him as much as I thought I would. I mean, he did not even place top 8 at EVO. To me, he felt like a Cammy. Top tier, but never really placed extremely high in tournaments the way Sagats, Yuns, and Fei Longs have.
None in the top 32, actually. He was INSANE but no one really played him. I guess a lot of people saw Yun as the more productive character, and honestly, the easier one at the time. Which makes sense, cause you had to know everything about yang, especially his setups. Then, Yang got nerfed so goddamn hard. He lost so many options that he became a simple, linear character who is complete garbage.
On March 14 2013 23:02 Duka08 wrote: Are there any players here that have a pretty confident rush-down style? I'm trying to pick up Seth and having quite a bit of fun learning him, but a lot of games I find myself trying to footsie or lame an opponent out, because I have more experience doing so. What tips could you offer to someone who's still a bit nervous and inexperienced with just getting in that ass, and especially how to do so in a way that's relatively safe. I don't have a lot of practice with hit confirming into big damage either, mostly just punishes and the mid-screen game.
To keep up the pressure with Seth, you have to build up your flow chart so you know what options follow what and all the possible enders for a mixup. Something like all the followups shown on Outside of that, you should practise FADC on reaction to blocked srk and spd/j.dmk after srkfadc.
On March 14 2013 23:02 Duka08 wrote: Are there any players here that have a pretty confident rush-down style? I'm trying to pick up Seth and having quite a bit of fun learning him, but a lot of games I find myself trying to footsie or lame an opponent out, because I have more experience doing so. What tips could you offer to someone who's still a bit nervous and inexperienced with just getting in that ass, and especially how to do so in a way that's relatively safe. I don't have a lot of practice with hit confirming into big damage either, mostly just punishes and the mid-screen game.
To keep up the pressure with Seth, you have to build up your flow chart so you know what options follow what and all the possible enders for a mixup. Something like all the followups shown on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58HnpzFyuJ0 Outside of that, you should practise FADC on reaction to blocked srk and spd/j.dmk after srkfadc.
I did check out this video. Very informative. Will probably go through it a few times in the near future.
I understand the idea of the "flow chart" style of play and knowing all your setups and followups (or at least a few common/useful ones to start), but was just more speaking to a general mindset. How'd you get over the fear of going in? For me its a toss up, I'm still learning and occasionally I just get blown up by a few preemptive or mashed DPs and get super timid and back off again, which means I either just lose straight up, or play mid-range on characters where it's not smart. It's probably mostly just holes in my combos, meaties, safe jumps, etc....
On March 14 2013 23:02 Duka08 wrote: Are there any players here that have a pretty confident rush-down style? I'm trying to pick up Seth and having quite a bit of fun learning him, but a lot of games I find myself trying to footsie or lame an opponent out, because I have more experience doing so. What tips could you offer to someone who's still a bit nervous and inexperienced with just getting in that ass, and especially how to do so in a way that's relatively safe. I don't have a lot of practice with hit confirming into big damage either, mostly just punishes and the mid-screen game.
To keep up the pressure with Seth, you have to build up your flow chart so you know what options follow what and all the possible enders for a mixup. Something like all the followups shown on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58HnpzFyuJ0 Outside of that, you should practise FADC on reaction to blocked srk and spd/j.dmk after srkfadc.
I did check out this video. Very informative. Will probably go through it a few times in the near future.
I understand the idea of the "flow chart" style of play and knowing all your setups and followups (or at least a few common/useful ones to start), but was just more speaking to a general mindset. How'd you get over the fear of going in? For me its a toss up, I'm still learning and occasionally I just get blown up by a few preemptive or mashed DPs and get super timid and back off again, which means I either just lose straight up, or play mid-range on characters where it's not smart. It's probably mostly just holes in my combos, meaties, safe jumps, etc....
I had the same problem as you when going from lame characters to the rushdown characters I play now. You just need to remember to not be reactive. Rushdown is harder because you have to understand your opponent's options. You have to get inside your opponent's head and realize that even though some of the things you're doing are minorly unsafe, it's way harder for him to react to your pressure than it is for you to keep the pressure on. Trust in the power of the mixup.
On March 16 2013 11:26 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: aaaaaaaaa i hate xbl so much. sakura is so low tier online
It's funny. I play a lot online on PC and XBL. PC always has better connections and I can actually react to stuff. It's not perfect, but it's about 10x better than XBL. I always wondered if it was just me sucking and a coincidence that I lost more on XBL, but it's no coincidence at all, XBL is actually terrible. I don't encounter half the problems I have on XBL on PC, even on the same internet connection.
On March 13 2013 10:12 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: Got a tourney on the 30th, which is nice cuz I cant afford a trip to Vancouver for April Duels. Probably wont be any out-of-towners, so while it wont be as fun, I prolly got it in the bag. My Sakura is getting more and more solid, but my Cammy is hella oxidized. havent played her in a bit. ive actually got a pocket Guy now tho, but hes not quite ready for prime time
Local stuff, huh? Is anyone gonna record some games from it, or stream it or whatever?
I've been playing the PC version of AE online and it feels like there are very few people actually playing. I often just quit playing when I'm sitting around spamming search to find the same couple of people.
Are there any prime times I should be looking out for? I had thought that on a saturday/sunday afternoon I'd run into more players but its a small improvement over any other day.
On March 18 2013 09:20 BliptiX wrote: I've been playing the PC version of AE online and it feels like there are very few people actually playing. I often just quit playing when I'm sitting around spamming search to find the same couple of people.
Are there any prime times I should be looking out for? I had thought that on a saturday/sunday afternoon I'd run into more players but its a small improvement over any other day.
I've noticed this the past couple weeks. Population has been way down. I thought it would be SFXT but 2013 patch isn't on PC yet lol. Idk, not sure. You're not alone tho. It's a bummer
On March 18 2013 09:20 BliptiX wrote: I've been playing the PC version of AE online and it feels like there are very few people actually playing. I often just quit playing when I'm sitting around spamming search to find the same couple of people.
Are there any prime times I should be looking out for? I had thought that on a saturday/sunday afternoon I'd run into more players but its a small improvement over any other day.
I feel like the PC version is mostly Europeans. If you're ok with no bars then the best time is probably Euro time. As far as NA players go, it's pretty much a wasteland compared to XBL or PSN.
Also I think weekday prime time is more populated than weekends, but it shouldn't be a huge difference.
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