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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
 On March 10 2013 23:07 pachi wrote: Most publicized tournaments in fighting games are North American or in Japan so scenes outside of those dont get as much exposure. Most known scenes/players in Europe seem to be France and the UK. The most famous players from Sweden are probably Skatan (Sakura) who played at Canada Cup 2011, and Ixion for being Dan. I have a little funny story regarding Ixion from the last qualifier stop for E-Sport SM One of the casters, Magnus Marklund (I guess he's a friend of the other caster, Silas Mulondo, who won one of last season's qualifier events IIRC) goes on and praises Ixion for being a "character-loyalist" and sticking with Dan before one of Ixion's matches. But then Silas comes and says something like "I'm gonna make him disappointed because Ixion is going to choose Camey". And that was the case (Ixion counter-picked) | ||
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Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/2879/tierlist2013.png) For what it's worth, this is the Shoryuken community's 2013 tier list I always get a kick out of tier lists. It's fun watching them develop over time, and seeing characters jump or drop off. I love that SSF4 it's as balanced as it is. By no means perfect, but picking a bottom tier character in AE2012 is like picking a mid tier character in most other games. Still, tier lists in general, and this one in particular, make me a bit sad. Poor Oni. I love watching so many of the bottom characters, especially Oni, Gouken and Dudley, yet we hardly see them. I wish people had a bit more character loyalty, or at least looked at tier lists more like guidelines than actual rules. Maybe we'd have more Xians running around crapping on charts and being completely awesome. I'm re-watching Canada Cup right now. The entire event was great for AE, and I cannot wait for the next big tournament. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On March 11 2013 06:21 Aylear wrote: I always get a kick out of tier lists. It's fun watching them develop over time, and seeing characters jump or drop off. I love that SSF4 it's as balanced as it is. By no means perfect, but picking a bottom tier character in AE2012 is like picking a mid tier character in most other games. I think this is becoming the norm. Games used to be fairly imbalanced, but nowadays, it seems like developers are learning. SFxT and MvC3 are balanced around their systems, while SF4 and the Arcsys games are dynamically balanced, with GG being less so but still pretty good, and it has a new version on the way. I would say SF4 is the least balanced of any of these games, but it's still really good. | ||
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ain
Germany786 Posts
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Duka08
3391 Posts
On March 11 2013 06:21 Aylear wrote: + Show Spoiler + For what it's worth, this is the Shoryuken community's 2013 tier list I always get a kick out of tier lists. It's fun watching them develop over time, and seeing characters jump or drop off. I love that SSF4 it's as balanced as it is. By no means perfect, but picking a bottom tier character in AE2012 is like picking a mid tier character in most other games. Still, tier lists in general, and this one in particular, make me a bit sad. Poor Oni. I love watching so many of the bottom characters, especially Oni, Gouken and Dudley, yet we hardly see them. I wish people had a bit more character loyalty, or at least looked at tier lists more like guidelines than actual rules. Maybe we'd have more Xians running around crapping on charts and being completely awesome. I'm re-watching Canada Cup right now. The entire event was great for AE, and I cannot wait for the next big tournament. I play Oni :'( My heart won't let me change. Also, at the above, I hear a lot of people say the same thing about picks like Abel and Honda. My thoughts are that they do really really well against the bottom two-thirds of the cast, thus inflating their numbers, but fair relatively poorly against the top 10 or so, which is why you never see them in tourneys, or at least not placing consistently well, even though they're high on a "tier list" Edit: Just noticed Oni's only 3-7 matchup is Bison. FINALLY MY PAIN IS JUSTIFIED. Lmao. | ||
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Corvi
Germany1406 Posts
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
I mean, Infiltration beat the crap out of a lot of people with Hakan and look where he's at on this one. | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
On March 11 2013 11:28 Noocta wrote: Tiers List aren't all that meaningful. I mean, Infiltration beat the crap out of a lot of people with Hakan and look where he's at on this one. But isn't Infiltration the counter pick champion? It is not like he uses a single character for every single matchup | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On March 11 2013 11:35 Shiragaku wrote: But isn't Infiltration the counter pick champion? It is not like he uses a single character for every single matchup Doesn't change the fact that his Hakan is good enough to beat a lot of people. =O Even if he uses him only to counterpick stuff. | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On March 11 2013 11:28 Noocta wrote: Tiers List aren't all that meaningful. I agree with that, a proper "low-tier" character can be deadly as well if properly executed. Example: I wouldn't call Meepo a top-tier hero in Dota2, but when N0tail plays him, Meepo suddenly looks really deadly. | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
He is a really cool character, but I am sick and tired of tigers. | ||
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Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
Also, this list has a good bit of bullshit in it.  Besides, these lists assume equal skill and highest level of play, which is irrelevant for 99% of of us. I find tier lists interesting not because they show how good a character is, but because it shows people's perception of that character. It's fun to watch characters rise and fall. In the Eventhubs tier list from March 2012, Vega was bottom 7. Uh huh. On March 11 2013 11:28 Noocta wrote: Tiers List aren't all that meaningful. I mean, Infiltration beat the crap out of a lot of people with Hakan and look where he's at on this one. I agree that they're not, but not because of the example you gave. Infiltration is a beastly counter picker, so he picks characters that he considers good matchups against specific players. On March 11 2013 15:01 Shiragaku wrote: What does piss me off is how half of the Japanese players in any tourney seems to be Sagat... He is a really cool character, but I am sick and tired of tigers. Sagat is pretty popular over there, but I don't think he's nearly as omnipresent as you claim. Bonchan is still godlike as Sagat, and a few others, but there's a much better mix than you give it credit for. The top players from Japan seem to field Fei Long, Akuma, Ryu. | ||
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ain
Germany786 Posts
On March 11 2013 20:26 Aylear wrote: I find tier lists interesting not because they show how good a character is, but because it shows people's perception of that character. It's fun to watch characters rise and fall. In the Eventhubs tier list from March 2012, Vega was bottom 7. Uh huh. Yeah, same with Viper. While Latif was bodying everyone and Wolfkrone had his streak Viper was considered S-Tier by everyone. Then Wolfkrone stops playing, and Latif doesn't practice as hard anymore and suddenly she's supposed to be B? | ||
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Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
On March 11 2013 20:31 ain wrote: Yeah, same with Viper. While Latif was bodying everyone and Wolfkrone had his streak Viper was considered S-Tier by everyone. Then Wolfkrone stops playing, and Latif doesn't practice as hard anymore and suddenly she's supposed to be B? Right. And it doesn't help that Latif is now saying she's average, 5-5 against most of the cast, how she doesn't have a lot of good moves, etc. And he's the best Viper in the world by a good bit. It's typical that the top players all seem to think their characters are average to bad. | ||
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Duka08
3391 Posts
On March 11 2013 20:26 Aylear wrote: Don't worry about tier lists when you pick your character. To start - and like Cel.erity said - this generation of fighters is the most balanced of the lot, so picking a "bottom tier" character in AE really is like picking a mid tier character in games that came before it. You can do well with anyone in the cast. Chris Hu had fun with Oni for a time, and there's a European player (a Swede, I think) who uses Dan. The last major was won by a Gen (a character everyone is afraid of but nobody plays). Also, this list has a good bit of bullshit in it. Besides, these lists assume equal skill and highest level of play, which is irrelevant for 99% of of us. I agree with your sentiments. As someone who's really bad at this game, I don't look at them so much for expecting to win 30% online in a 3-7 for example, but rather, I think of it as a "matchups to look out for or think harder about". Even at low levels I believe there are still some matchups which will invariably feel more difficult (not always correlated to "better" characters being more difficult, either), even when facing a variety of players/playstyles of the same character. But it's more of an opportunity to think outside the box or find those more intricate secrets and tendencies that can turn a high-level 3-7 into a low-level 7-3. Also your first point is the most important imo: pick who you like! As mentioned, I do play Oni. There's days where I just feel totally out of options or hit a string of tough matches, depending on my mindset and the opponents, and it's easy to say "oh he's bad". But that's crap, and I rag on myself for thinking that after the heat of the moment dies down. And when I win I get hype. Not because he's "low rated". But because I fucking love him as a character and it's fun and exciting. | ||
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che
17 Posts
On March 10 2013 22:16 WindWolf wrote: 2) How big of a country is Sweden in the Street Figher scene globally? Sweden has some good players, afaik the best in Sweden is Skataan who's a top Sakura player. If you want to learn more about the Sweden FGC check out "FightingforSweden" http://www.youtube.com/user/fightingforsweden/videos?view=0 http://www.twitch.tv/fightingforsweden https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fighting-For-Sweden/ | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On March 12 2013 03:05 che wrote: Sweden has some good players, afaik the best in Sweden is Skataan who's a top Sakura player. If you want to learn more about the Sweden FGC check out "FightingforSweden" http://www.youtube.com/user/fightingforsweden/videos?view=0 http://www.twitch.tv/fightingforsweden https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fighting-For-Sweden/ Thanks, I might check them out later on. And well, Skatan is the current Swedish Champion*, but in the qualifier that he won this season, he counter-picked with Chun-Li against a Guile. Other players who has qualified for the next grand final is Yagami (Dhalsim), Freenoob (Cody/Rose) and Ettelman (Adon). There is 4 more qualifiers before the grand final @DH Summer. One player who has come second twice this season is Lubu (Guile) and I hope that he qualifies, because he played so well in his final against Freenoob's Rose. *+ Show Spoiler + It's maybe not the official champion in that way, but if you are going to question that the current championship isn't the official one, you are going up against DreamHack, Telia (Big telecom-company, partly state-owned), Aftonbladet (Sweden's biggest newspaper), SteelSeries and other sponsors as well | ||
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Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
On March 12 2013 01:00 Duka08 wrote: I agree with your sentiments. As someone who's really bad at this game, I don't look at them so much for expecting to win 30% online in a 3-7 for example, but rather, I think of it as a "matchups to look out for or think harder about". Even at low levels I believe there are still some matchups which will invariably feel more difficult (not always correlated to "better" characters being more difficult, either), even when facing a variety of players/playstyles of the same character. But it's more of an opportunity to think outside the box or find those more intricate secrets and tendencies that can turn a high-level 3-7 into a low-level 7-3. Also your first point is the most important imo: pick who you like! As mentioned, I do play Oni. There's days where I just feel totally out of options or hit a string of tough matches, depending on my mindset and the opponents, and it's easy to say "oh he's bad". But that's crap, and I rag on myself for thinking that after the heat of the moment dies down. And when I win I get hype. Not because he's "low rated". But because I fucking love him as a character and it's fun and exciting. And that's why I play Gen: because hitting a sick combo into super into ultra to steal a game is such incredible bullshit that it's actually completely awesome! But I also... kind of... play Viper. And Cammy. I know. There is no middle finger big enough. | ||
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Duka08
3391 Posts
On March 12 2013 03:56 Aylear wrote: And that's why I play Gen: because hitting a sick combo into super into ultra to steal a game is such incredible bullshit that it's actually completely awesome! But I also... kind of... play Viper. And Cammy. I know. There is no middle finger big enough. Exactly! Viper is actually one of my favorite characters, but I just haven't taken the time out to practice her enough. Plus, as an aside, I think a lot of folks would agree she's not as dominant as she was a while back. I don't think it hurts to play/practice a (few) pocket top-tiers. I've tried it myself. I just don't play enough to improve at more than one character at a time. And when I finally get time to play, I'm just in the mood to have fun and pick mah shit. | ||
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