EPTOn August 06 2011 01:35 Macroxx wrote:
EVO 2K5 is what happened with MLG and that is all that has to be said. Ask the Esports journalist to tell you what happened hope he knows that story.
Ok how about this MLG left a bad taste in the mouth of all people that were apart of EVO2k5 and since then we basically said no to them. So you tell me Intel wants to sponsor something fine I am pretty sure the FGC will play ball but if it has MLG attached to it will be no dice for a large chunk of the community.
EVO 2K5 is what happened with MLG and that is all that has to be said. Ask the Esports journalist to tell you what happened hope he knows that story.
Ok how about this MLG left a bad taste in the mouth of all people that were apart of EVO2k5 and since then we basically said no to them. So you tell me Intel wants to sponsor something fine I am pretty sure the FGC will play ball but if it has MLG attached to it will be no dice for a large chunk of the community.
Who FUCKING cares what happened in EVO2k5 do you realize how far that was ago and how differetn MLG has been ever since, even for its 'flagship' game Halo the format and everything about MLG is miles different.
Second of all the EVO 2k5 thing was supposed to be some bullshitty idea to be inconjunction with EVO but it didn't work out, they're not planning on implementing the same idea. Tekken 6 is more popular sure but in america SF is more popular and within the competitive scene SF is more popular, thats why it'll work in the US and Tekken wont (not to mention tekken is the most fucking boring shit to watch on gods green earth).
On August 06 2011 01:52 pachi wrote:
MLG is a business and runs its tournaments as a business.
While they can bring in money and increase prize pools etc. which is obviously positive, as far as I understand. The FGC does not want to sell its soul and entrust itself to MLG.
While MLG and Fighting Game Events both run large tournaments for main games, Fighting Game Events are fundamentally different. Fighting Game Events has a much larger focus to promoting play by offering open brackets for the main tournaments, side tournaments/activities, casual stations/areas. While MLG is spectator focused, a large capped tournament with innovation such as championship pools in order to have a constant stream of high quality matches.
MLG is a giant. If it runs its events and throws around its money it like a drug and people will flock to the money discouraging the number of local events and making the community reliant on MLG. So when MLG drops the game after a year like it did with Tekken 6, its left with pieces to pick up.
I think the scene is growing fine at the moment with the Evo Tournament Season where there was almost a major every month, the growing popularity of streams and the growing presence in media like Fighting Words on G4 and Cross Counter everywhere. The only thing it lacks is the prize pools, which will come with more sponsors like the ones ReveLAtions had and growing interest from places like Justin.tv and NOS.
To DrBoo: SBO has been streamed for years. It was also sold on DVDs because its run by a company who sells DVDs. This year its being run at TGS again. That is how they are promoting it.
MLG is a business and runs its tournaments as a business.
While they can bring in money and increase prize pools etc. which is obviously positive, as far as I understand. The FGC does not want to sell its soul and entrust itself to MLG.
While MLG and Fighting Game Events both run large tournaments for main games, Fighting Game Events are fundamentally different. Fighting Game Events has a much larger focus to promoting play by offering open brackets for the main tournaments, side tournaments/activities, casual stations/areas. While MLG is spectator focused, a large capped tournament with innovation such as championship pools in order to have a constant stream of high quality matches.
MLG is a giant. If it runs its events and throws around its money it like a drug and people will flock to the money discouraging the number of local events and making the community reliant on MLG. So when MLG drops the game after a year like it did with Tekken 6, its left with pieces to pick up.
I think the scene is growing fine at the moment with the Evo Tournament Season where there was almost a major every month, the growing popularity of streams and the growing presence in media like Fighting Words on G4 and Cross Counter everywhere. The only thing it lacks is the prize pools, which will come with more sponsors like the ones ReveLAtions had and growing interest from places like Justin.tv and NOS.
To DrBoo: SBO has been streamed for years. It was also sold on DVDs because its run by a company who sells DVDs. This year its being run at TGS again. That is how they are promoting it.
Almost all of this are just assumptions that you'd make based on how you think the community reacts to it. MLG isn't going to kill off community events, what it might do is give the game more exposure and add more players to the scene, just because MLG comes in with its 10k prize pool doesn't mean it'll kill off other events. They're not going to 'sell their soul and entrust itself to MLG' all it is, is that the game will have an extra fucking tournament.
On August 06 2011 02:05 broz0rs wrote:
man I'm reading some of these anti-MLG posts and I just think some of you guys don't want homeless people to find jobs and make money. What's the worst thing that can happen from MLG showing Street Fighter? If its not hype, turn off the stream and tune in next month for a regional major. Seriously, there's no harm in trying, especially when broke SF players can get paid.
man I'm reading some of these anti-MLG posts and I just think some of you guys don't want homeless people to find jobs and make money. What's the worst thing that can happen from MLG showing Street Fighter? If its not hype, turn off the stream and tune in next month for a regional major. Seriously, there's no harm in trying, especially when broke SF players can get paid.
I agree with this, the anti-MLG thoughts in here are just based off the idea that it'll suck ass and that theres no wya it'll ever work out because in 05 MLG didn't work out perfectly as planned. It won't hurt the scene it'll add antoher 10k prize pool tournament to the scene 5 times a year. If you don't like it, if its too scrubby for you, then don't shwo up and don't watch it, who fucking cares.
On August 06 2011 02:57 Excalibur_Z wrote:
The only way MLG adding SF4 would be bad is if it stepped on the toes of existing majors and split up the top players. Maybe that would happen, it's pretty evident that MLG wants a "pro circuit" like they have for their other games, which means a major every month or two. There would have to be pretty seamless integration with the EVO Tournament Season for it not to overlap or become oversaturated, and I don't see the fighting game community tournament organizers giving up their events. That means that either MLG and EVO would have to have some joint venture where the tournament season becomes like CEO, MLG Raleigh, WCW, MLG Columbus, MWC, MLG Providence, etc., and culminating in EVO Vegas, or you'd have crazy situations like overlapping events or an MLG event one weekend and NCR the very next weekend.
The only way MLG adding SF4 would be bad is if it stepped on the toes of existing majors and split up the top players. Maybe that would happen, it's pretty evident that MLG wants a "pro circuit" like they have for their other games, which means a major every month or two. There would have to be pretty seamless integration with the EVO Tournament Season for it not to overlap or become oversaturated, and I don't see the fighting game community tournament organizers giving up their events. That means that either MLG and EVO would have to have some joint venture where the tournament season becomes like CEO, MLG Raleigh, WCW, MLG Columbus, MWC, MLG Providence, etc., and culminating in EVO Vegas, or you'd have crazy situations like overlapping events or an MLG event one weekend and NCR the very next weekend.
How about instead of stepping on its toes, you can see it as an extension of the evo tournament series where people are fighting for seed points as well? And overlapping events clearly wasn't the biggest problem in the world for ReveLAtions and CEO, both of which still had an amazing turnout.
On August 06 2011 03:03 mucker wrote:
To me it seems like fighting games would be pretty risky for mlg. Halo has a very dedicated community, most people that play/watch the current halo will play/watch the next halo. Starcraft is really safe, has a great community, it is hard to imagine a better rts coming out for a long while and is going to get big boosts with the expansion packs.
Fighting games however are a bit tricky. Ssf4ae is really popular now but where will it be next year? Do you really want to commit to a game before it comes out like umvc3 or sfxt? If they did mk9 and t6 and the capcom games started crushing them in popularity then what? How many games can you do well?
I'd love to see fighting games in mlg. I really liked being able to switch to tekken during breaks in the sc2 stream even though I don't follow that game at all. It seems unlikely, however, that is the best fit for mlg's model. I'd be looking at lol and dota2 first if I were them.
To me it seems like fighting games would be pretty risky for mlg. Halo has a very dedicated community, most people that play/watch the current halo will play/watch the next halo. Starcraft is really safe, has a great community, it is hard to imagine a better rts coming out for a long while and is going to get big boosts with the expansion packs.
Fighting games however are a bit tricky. Ssf4ae is really popular now but where will it be next year? Do you really want to commit to a game before it comes out like umvc3 or sfxt? If they did mk9 and t6 and the capcom games started crushing them in popularity then what? How many games can you do well?
I'd love to see fighting games in mlg. I really liked being able to switch to tekken during breaks in the sc2 stream even though I don't follow that game at all. It seems unlikely, however, that is the best fit for mlg's model. I'd be looking at lol and dota2 first if I were them.
I don't think LoL or Dota 2 would work considering the average game length is like 45 minutes long, how do you plan on fitting that into a 3 day tournament with a losers bracket? It would have to be a 32 team tournament or less to work.
but you also might want to post your steam ID or something so that people can add you!
