yea first my last message had an error, im no limit 30 buck an hour.

and I think that the best player in no limit will win. Since now, i rarely do any major mistake because people are just so easy to read, even at limit .25/.50. I mean sometimes i get bad beaten, but i get much more big pot in average.

bad beate : i have AA, flop bring KdQs6s. i raise, the guy goes all in. The guy has QTs. he freaking rivered his Q to three of a kind

scrapperdog

United States779 Posts

January 01 2005 10:54 GMT

#82

On January 01 2005 16:43 Keanu_Reaver wrote:

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On January 01 2005 03:10 scrapperdog wrote:

On December 31 2004 21:23 Izenra wrote:
dunno, but in limit you can't do much ~ best hand win. And even with god hand like AA, you are not getting much for it.
+ idiot in no limit get you more than limit
ex : i raise a lot AA preflop, get 4 caller(???), the flop bring me an Ace, i have three of a kind Ace. I raise a little, not too much not to scared the player. 2 fold, i reraise me all-in. the other call, i raise cap for the other not all-in, he call.
I only saw the idiot who re-raise : he had A5o.

Arg this is a complete myth. Good starting hands are even more important in limit than no limit cause u cant bluff a person off their hand.

Let me explain the real difference between limit and no limit.
1) In limit more ppl see the flop and will call you down will lesser hands than in nl
2)Limit is a game of draws, while nl is a game of high cards

Ok here is an example that will clarify. In a no-limit game 4 ppl see the flop, you dont hit a pair but you hit 4 to a flush. The guy with top pair makes a good size bet, everyone but the 4 to the flush folds. What is going to happen to the 4 to the flush guy? In most cases nothing good. Why?
1) He is now putting in 50% of the money in the hand and he only has a 40% chance to make the flush.
2) If another flush card does come, the person with top pair is gonna slow down and getting a lot more money out of him is gonna be hard.

Take the same situation in limit poker. 4 ppl see the flop. Someone hits top pair and makes a bet, while you have 4 to a flush. This usually is very good. Why?
1) in limit poker more ppl stay in hands. Most of the time at least 3 ppl are gonna stay in this hand, no matter what hits the board.
2) instead of being in a defensive check, call situation praying for a flush that might not come and even if it does come might not pay you off, you now are the table leader. Why? Well with 3 ppl in the hand you are putting 33% of the money in a hand that has 40% chance to win. It is not uncommon to see 6-7 ppl take the flop in a 25/50 limit holdem game, while it would be somewhat rare in a no limit game. Things like this mean there is a huge difference in strategy for limit and no limit.

Limit is every bit as complex and challenging as no limit, and you can win just as much money if not more. At pokerstars if you go to the high $ limit tables you will see they are restricted. You need special permission to play at them, and if you dont have a solid winning record then pokerstars is gonna call you and try and talk you out of playing high $ limit games cause u have no chance. The average pot in the high $ limit games is well over 2k, where that would be a huge pot on the high $ no limit games.

All that being said ... everyone says super/system has the best nl advice possible. Super/systems is outdated on some of their games but not on the no limit section. GL and btw limit > no limit.

EDIT- To all you guys i am saying are wrong, dont take it personal. This is real money we are talking about here so I am gonna be be as honest as possible and not try and sooth anyones feelings, hope u can respect that even if I cut you down.

are you serious? come on man...dont play draws in NL? its about high cards? honestly, i hope everyone listens to you for my benefit

I am not saying dont play draws i am saying draws are not as good in NL as they are limit (with the exception of semi-bluffing... The person with the made hand can make you pay to draw and then decide not to pay you off if you hit. In limit there are more multi-way pots (which favors the person with the draw) and players are way more likely to call when a scare card hits. Read exactly what i wrote and tell me what you disagree with. Not what u think i might have wrote or half of what i wrote ... read the whole thing slowly.

Izenra

Canada679 Posts

January 01 2005 11:09 GMT

#83

again, why i like no limit more.

you can do much more. in limit, you are just following the rulz badly. you can't knock out a player, they just always call. You have no choice but to get the best hand

my 2 hour just finish : .25/.50 NL HE 4 table 80 buck earn. If i was on limit, i woulda get 4 buck.

Here is an example of how playin can be good.

I had this tight image and i was again a guy 1v1 on the flop. The pot was rather big. The flop come and three club fall on the flop. he bets poorly , i reraise immediately, he fold. And, i had absolutely nothing in my hand.

In limit, you cannot do this kind of plan.

scrapperdog

United States779 Posts

January 01 2005 11:17 GMT

#84

On January 01 2005 20:09 Izenra wrote:
again, why i like no limit more.

you can do much more. in limit, you are just following the rulz badly. you can't knock out a player, they just always call. You have no choice but to get the best hand

my 2 hour just finish : .25/.50 NL HE 4 table 80 buck earn. If i was on limit, i woulda get 4 buck.

Here is an example of how playin can be good.

I had this tight image and i was again a guy 1v1 on the flop. The pot was rather big. The flop come and three club fall on the flop. he bets poorly , i reraise immediately, he fold. And, i had absolutely nothing in my hand.

In limit, you cannot do this kind of plan.

Everyone has their preference bro. Each type of poker is different and certain types of poker fit certain ppl better. I do encourage ppl to play all the types to see what works best for them.

BigBalls

United States5354 Posts

January 03 2005 04:40 GMT

#85

Ive been keeping track of my recent poker sessions.

So far ive played for 9:40 and im up 118 bucks. In NL i find myself up 60, down 75, up 100, down 40, etc. Im all over the place, i dont like that sort of uncertainty, especially when my stack on partypoker is only about 375 right now after taking out 200 to play on pokerstars and to give to my dad.

BigBalls

United States5354 Posts

January 03 2005 04:43 GMT

#86

that also works both ways. In NL i LOVE using the weak lead when i flop a monster. I make a weak bet at the pot to make it look like im making a poor attempt at buying it and if the player tries to reraise me all in, i have him trapped.

RowdierBob

Australia13004 Posts

January 13 2005 22:41 GMT

#87

I've just started playing Poker at PartyPoker and going easy with the 0.5/1 tables.

Do you (the top players here) recommend NL or Limits? Ive been playing Limits, but it's very hard to bluff and the luck of the draw seems to have a much larger effect on the game.

The only problem is low level (0.5/1) NL doesnt exist of PartyPoker (I found this out after i signed up

)

Should i switch to PokerStars and the NL or just keep at it? Some tips on Limit play would be cool too, cause I'm finding most of the time I'm only winning/losing due to luck of the draw.

Thx

pinbaLL

Sweden1711 Posts

January 13 2005 23:34 GMT

#88

Switch to Pokerstars, that is a whole lot easier for a beginner.

scrapperdog

United States779 Posts

January 14 2005 00:49 GMT

#89

On January 14 2005 07:41 RowdierBob wrote:
I've just started playing Poker at PartyPoker and going easy with the 0.5/1 tables.

Do you (the top players here) recommend NL or Limits? Ive been playing Limits, but it's very hard to bluff and the luck of the draw seems to have a much larger effect on the game.

The only problem is low level (0.5/1) NL doesnt exist of PartyPoker (I found this out after i signed up

)

Should i switch to PokerStars and the NL or just keep at it? Some tips on Limit play would be cool too, cause I'm finding most of the time I'm only winning/losing due to luck of the draw.

Thx

In low limit limit poker you have to show the best hand down to win. That is not luck of the draw. That is waiting for quality hands, hitting top pair on the flop and betting it. The beauty of limit poker is that bluffing is not a big part of it for good players at medium and low lvls. Yes there will be lots of bluffing going on, but not by you.
Bluffing is more of an advanced strategy in both limit and nl. There is way too much bluffing going on in my opinion. Yes I will bluff, but only when I have a reason to feel it is gonna work. That means I am in position and the other player has shown true weakness. Or because a scare card hit that nobody claims to own. You see ppl handing over their stacks in NL constantly bacause of bad bluffs. Have a reason to think you bluff is gonna work before you run one. This takes experience at the table and knowing your player types.