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scrapperdog
United States779 Posts
On December 31 2004 07:43 Milzo wrote: Which books would you recommend to a beginner? Thx. Depends on if you want to play limit or no limit. Tell me which one and i will help ya out. BTW you guys that refuse to read the books. I am up 310$ this week playing 7 card stud and i have never read a stud book... dont know what to say. | ||
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Triton
Canada258 Posts
Maybe Im playing too loose. What do you guys like to play pre-flop with a table that likes to see the flop? I usually play suited connectors since I can catch ppl offguard with the flush or straight but it just seems like people are going in with whatever. Add to that I have a better chance it seems catching my 4 of a kind or royal flush than a friggin str8 or noraml flush. What do you guys do with Ax0 as well? | ||
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scrapperdog
United States779 Posts
On December 31 2004 13:13 Triton wrote: I know there has been some discussion on whether PP is fixed or not, it just seems kind of odd to me that in the 1 day I have been playing there (about 5 hrs) I have had 2 royal flushes, and 4 4 of a kinds. Other than that I have been beaten on the river or lost to 4 of a kind pocket pairs for most of my stack. I have had more 4kinds/royals than I have caught a straight or a flush draw which is about never. ? Look bro I always know when someone is new or an idiot when they start talking about poker being fixed. Partypoker or stars does not in any way fix their games. How do i know that? Pokerstars just dealt their 1 billionth hand ... all without ever having to pay a dealer. Think of the amount of money that is at stake here. If it ever came out that a poker site was fixed that site would be done, over, out of business. Why would they risk it when they can have the bank truck come deliver them loads of money by running a fair game? Also, there is software that lets you analize your hands, thousands at a time ... if it was not random that would come out quickly with the poker tracker programs. So ... unless u want to identify yourself as a fish plz no talk of poker being fixed. | ||
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Triton
Canada258 Posts
I dont think that it is fixed, it just seems really fucked up that I have caught two royal flush draws and that doubles the amount of flush draws I have caught. Im just getting frustrated cause I never catch anything on the flop. Ive caught more 4 of a kinds on flop than I have triples as well, even counting pairs on board  also, is there any hand record feature on PP that I cant find, or do I need some sort of plugin? | ||
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scrapperdog
United States779 Posts
On December 31 2004 14:06 Triton wrote: I am a fish, hear me gurgle! also, is there any hand record feature on PP that I cant find, or do I need some sort of plugin? Look in the partypoker vs pokerstars thread ... smuft shows ya all the things u can do on partypoker, and it is amazing. | ||
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Milzo
France656 Posts
On December 31 2004 12:43 scrapperdog wrote: Depends on if you want to play limit or no limit. Tell me which one and i will help ya out. BTW you guys that refuse to read the books. I am up 310$ this week playing 7 card stud and i have never read a stud book... dont know what to say. It seems that playing no limit is the way to go in order to become a good poker player (or am I wrong?), it definitely appears more challenging and interesting, so I'd go with that. | ||
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Izenra
Canada679 Posts
+ idiot in no limit get you more than limit ex : i raise a lot AA preflop, get 4 caller(???), the flop bring me an Ace, i have three of a kind Ace. I raise a little, not too much not to scared the player. 2 fold, i reraise me all-in. the other call, i raise cap for the other not all-in, he call. I only saw the idiot who re-raise : he had A5o. Let's look why he's an idiot. PReflop raise with ace= your ace is pretty much owned by a better kiker, but he's an idiot didnt realise it flop : a pair of aces. I raise= i have at least an ace(tho i had 2 lol. and if i have only one ace, my kiker probably kills you. But he's an idiot and didnt realise it | ||
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scrapperdog
United States779 Posts
On December 31 2004 21:23 Izenra wrote: dunno, but in limit you can't do much ~ best hand win. And even with god hand like AA, you are not getting much for it. + idiot in no limit get you more than limit ex : i raise a lot AA preflop, get 4 caller(???), the flop bring me an Ace, i have three of a kind Ace. I raise a little, not too much not to scared the player. 2 fold, i reraise me all-in. the other call, i raise cap for the other not all-in, he call. I only saw the idiot who re-raise : he had A5o. Arg this is a complete myth. Good starting hands are even more important in limit than no limit cause u cant bluff a person off their hand. Let me explain the real difference between limit and no limit. 1) In limit more ppl see the flop and will call you down will lesser hands than in nl 2)Limit is a game of draws, while nl is a game of high cards Ok here is an example that will clarify. In a no-limit game 4 ppl see the flop, you dont hit a pair but you hit 4 to a flush. The guy with top pair makes a good size bet, everyone but the 4 to the flush folds. What is going to happen to the 4 to the flush guy? In most cases nothing good. Why? 1) He is now putting in 50% of the money in the hand and he only has a 40% chance to make the flush. 2) If another flush card does come, the person with top pair is gonna slow down and getting a lot more money out of him is gonna be hard. Take the same situation in limit poker. 4 ppl see the flop. Someone hits top pair and makes a bet, while you have 4 to a flush. This usually is very good. Why? 1) in limit poker more ppl stay in hands. Most of the time at least 3 ppl are gonna stay in this hand, no matter what hits the board. 2) instead of being in a defensive check, call situation praying for a flush that might not come and even if it does come might not pay you off, you now are the table leader. Why? Well with 3 ppl in the hand you are putting 33% of the money in a hand that has 40% chance to win. It is not uncommon to see 6-7 ppl take the flop in a 25/50 limit holdem game, while it would be somewhat rare in a no limit game. Things like this mean there is a huge difference in strategy for limit and no limit. Limit is every bit as complex and challenging as no limit, and you can win just as much money if not more. At pokerstars if you go to the high $ limit tables you will see they are restricted. You need special permission to play at them, and if you dont have a solid winning record then pokerstars is gonna call you and try and talk you out of playing high $ limit games cause u have no chance. The average pot in the high $ limit games is well over 2k, where that would be a huge pot on the high $ no limit games. All that being said ... everyone says super/system has the best nl advice possible. Super/systems is outdated on some of their games but not on the no limit section. GL and btw limit > no limit. EDIT- To all you guys i am saying are wrong, dont take it personal. This is real money we are talking about here so I am gonna be be as honest as possible and not try and sooth anyones feelings, hope u can respect that even if I cut you down. | ||
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pinbaLL
Sweden1711 Posts
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[G]Max_Power
Slovakia304 Posts
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FrinkX
United States958 Posts
someone plz help me im a newbbbbb =[ | ||
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
On January 01 2005 09:04 FrinkX wrote: i've busted out of all my tournaments except 1 before the final table for the last 3 days someone plz help me im a newbbbbb =[ patience grasshoppaaaaaaa patience | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
naw i think he should just give up | ||
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Izenra
Canada679 Posts
. Well for my personnal experience, i can say that in limit i can make 30 buck an hour. I have much harder time in limit. And about that idiot people, what i mean is when you flop a monster hand, i can usually suck up more in no limit than limit. btw, no limit>limit p.s. no one is playing the high limit stake hehe (100/200) here | ||
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scrapperdog
United States779 Posts
On January 01 2005 13:03 Izenra wrote: scrapperdog, I don't agree with you . Well for my personnal experience, i can say that in limit i can make 30 buck an hour. I have much harder time in limit. And about that idiot people, what i mean is when you flop a monster hand, i can usually suck up more in no limit than limit. btw, no limit>limit p.s. no one is playing the high limit stake hehe (100/200) here Wow 30 buck an hour aint bad at all. You should stay where you are sucessful. I am gonna be honest as to why I like limit better than no limit. I am really good about waiting for quality starting hands. But if i am not playing 100% (my kid is running around yelling, that kind of stuff) I can be outplayed after the flop. On limit your mistakes are minimized, and really just playing good cards and betting them will win you money on the 25/50 tables. On no limit 5 min of tilt or 1 bad beat can erase 2 hours of good play, that is just not gonna happen on limit. Also i am kind of a % guy and odds guy. I play the %'s when they are in my favor and know all the odds. On no-limit you need to be more of a poker player, as in a cobra ready to stike when u think the prey is weak, ect ect. Also reads are huge in NL, look at that rek hand he posted with the queens for example. In limit reads are harder cause there is a fixed betting amount. Odds and outs guys are better at limit, predators who also can read are better at nl. A lot depends on your playing style and if you are a risk taker or want more steady type money. Congrats tho bro, 30 bucks an hour is doing damn good. BTW this weeks world poker tour episode is a LIMIT tourneyment, no the same old nl they show every week so i would encourage ppl to watch it. | ||
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OhThatDang
United States4685 Posts
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Keanu_Reaver
Djibouti1432 Posts
On January 01 2005 03:10 scrapperdog wrote: Arg this is a complete myth. Good starting hands are even more important in limit than no limit cause u cant bluff a person off their hand. Let me explain the real difference between limit and no limit. 1) In limit more ppl see the flop and will call you down will lesser hands than in nl 2)Limit is a game of draws, while nl is a game of high cards Ok here is an example that will clarify. In a no-limit game 4 ppl see the flop, you dont hit a pair but you hit 4 to a flush. The guy with top pair makes a good size bet, everyone but the 4 to the flush folds. What is going to happen to the 4 to the flush guy? In most cases nothing good. Why? 1) He is now putting in 50% of the money in the hand and he only has a 40% chance to make the flush. 2) If another flush card does come, the person with top pair is gonna slow down and getting a lot more money out of him is gonna be hard. Take the same situation in limit poker. 4 ppl see the flop. Someone hits top pair and makes a bet, while you have 4 to a flush. This usually is very good. Why? 1) in limit poker more ppl stay in hands. Most of the time at least 3 ppl are gonna stay in this hand, no matter what hits the board. 2) instead of being in a defensive check, call situation praying for a flush that might not come and even if it does come might not pay you off, you now are the table leader. Why? Well with 3 ppl in the hand you are putting 33% of the money in a hand that has 40% chance to win. It is not uncommon to see 6-7 ppl take the flop in a 25/50 limit holdem game, while it would be somewhat rare in a no limit game. Things like this mean there is a huge difference in strategy for limit and no limit. Limit is every bit as complex and challenging as no limit, and you can win just as much money if not more. At pokerstars if you go to the high $ limit tables you will see they are restricted. You need special permission to play at them, and if you dont have a solid winning record then pokerstars is gonna call you and try and talk you out of playing high $ limit games cause u have no chance. The average pot in the high $ limit games is well over 2k, where that would be a huge pot on the high $ no limit games. All that being said ... everyone says super/system has the best nl advice possible. Super/systems is outdated on some of their games but not on the no limit section. GL and btw limit > no limit. EDIT- To all you guys i am saying are wrong, dont take it personal. This is real money we are talking about here so I am gonna be be as honest as possible and not try and sooth anyones feelings, hope u can respect that even if I cut you down. are you serious? come on man...dont play draws in NL? its about high cards? honestly, i hope everyone listens to you for my benefit | ||
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Keanu_Reaver
Djibouti1432 Posts
On January 01 2005 09:04 FrinkX wrote: i've busted out of all my tournaments except 1 before the final table for the last 3 days someone plz help me im a newbbbbb =[ haha same is happening to me, made like 5 final tables in a 2 day span about a week ago and now i cant make one to save my life ! | ||
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
i just seem to have HUGE swings in NL and i like the stability of limit better | ||
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Keanu_Reaver
Djibouti1432 Posts
On January 01 2005 17:14 BigBalls wrote: the reason i prefer limit to no limit is overpair v overpair, overpair v set, top pair top kicker v overpair/set. if i sense danger i can check call down to be safe in limit where as in NL i have to make a black and white choice and often times i lose all my money by going all in on a flop. in limit, i sometimes dont feel scared until the turn or river and by then i can smarten up and save some money. i guess i do win more money at times this way too. i just seem to have HUGE swings in NL and i like the stability of limit better yeah this can hurt, but keep in mind it does go both ways...you can hit a set vs overpair etc. and i've found players (atleast where i play, .5/1) absolutely refuse to fold overpairs even when the board is very dangerous. | ||
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