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exalted
United States3612 Posts
Any _real_ resources where I can learn tricks or anyone that has past experience with the game? For example, I don't want tips from some site that gives you like "fastest strats", and stuff like that, I want to learn right from the outset that "this" unit combination is correct. No time for bad habits, I said I would be able to learn it in half a week, so yeah. Thoughts on this gay game are appreciated. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Eye-Lose
United States71 Posts
 there should be a foot in mouth smiley | ||
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DV8
United States1623 Posts
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DevAzTaYtA
Oman2005 Posts
half a week is kind of steep though ^^ | ||
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Daysleeper
Sweden282 Posts
From the little I have seen the game is mostly about macro and map controll. | ||
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nullmind
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amoeba
United States283 Posts
certain civs are much better. There used to be unbalanced strats such as Pick teutons and then townhall rush as soon as you reach castle age. | ||
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1024MB
United States1455 Posts
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Manifesto7
Osaka27172 Posts
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[X]Ken_D
United States4650 Posts
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gravity
Australia2041 Posts
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Jim
Sweden1965 Posts
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Regentropfen
Germany277 Posts
On November 11 2004 20:56 exalted wrote: [...] becuase I see many players and they just queue endlessly. [...] if i remember correctly, u have to pay for a unit as soon as the buidling starts to create it (unlike in bw, where u pay as soon as u give the order to build), so endless queueing in aoe is just some sort of "planning" while its a sign of sucky macro in bw.... | ||
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Ceril
Sweden1343 Posts
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ToT)BrAiN(
Austria899 Posts
i remember watching AoE at the austrian WCG finals (never played it tho) it looked so boring, and when one of the 2 players left, i didnt even know why :D | ||
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k3fka
Argentina1267 Posts
There are several counters , if you know your friends are heavy cavarlry users , you should pick heavy pikemen civs like aztecs and gots , if they use an archery civ , you should use gots (huscarles rape all archers), In my opinion the best civ you should pick if you dont know how to play , is Teutons since they have all the good techs and you can swich according to the situation. Also if you are playing islands or heavy water maps, use powder civs + vikings. | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32278 Posts
If you like going castle fast tech pick Franks | ||
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amoeba
United States283 Posts
there are 3 basic unit types : melee infantry, cavalry, and range. there is a subset of these 3 unit types : spearmen, light cavalry, skirmishers. The counter system goes : range (archers) > heavy melee (swordsmen)> light melee (spearmen)> cavalry > skirmishers> archers. the problem is while skirmishers are supposed to counter archers, certain advanced units like briton longbowmen have such long range that skirmishers don't really counter. Also, like somebody else said, there are huge imbalances like quick tech to castle age then offensive townhall with teutons due to their free murder hole upgrade and double townhall arrow range. | ||
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
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jjun212
Canada2208 Posts
but i always lost to trebuchet rush, haha | ||
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STiK
United States46 Posts
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IronMentality
United States1129 Posts
Play Huns, they don't use houses. Learn to Flush with Skirms and Scouts. Learn to TC Boom in the Castle Age while defending everything with good TC Placement. http://www.mrfixitonline.com/ for pro replays on AOE2. Good luck. | ||
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littlechava
United States7221 Posts
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gamecrazy
United States421 Posts
Unfortunately, http://www.mrfixitonline.com/ recommended by IronMentality no longer seems to keep those old pro replays lying around. So, I'm left without a resource to beat this guy, except for the seasoned RTS veterans on TL who I'm sure know how to play Age of Empires II. I only got this game about 3 days ago, so I don't know the best builds to use at the moment. OK, so this kid that I'm going to play already set some conditions: He always prefers to play on Sea of Japan as the Koreans. Some additional information I received when I prodded him was, he likes to wait, sit there, and wall up his base and mass up an army. However, he does not style himself to be a macro player... Basically, when he plays StarCraft, he goes one base BC's. So, what do I need to do to beat him? Any advice would be appreciated. edit: I have 1.0c | ||
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Zalfor
United States1035 Posts
oh, i play AoC but shit, huns + scout rush is so powerful AoE is actually a really difficult game imo. Check out voobly.com they have a competitive AoE thing going on there and they can help u a bit. also google AoE strats and flush and scout rush etc. | ||
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Iron_
United States389 Posts
Honestly if you are trying to learn aoe2 in a week you are screwed, there is way too much to learn. Go with the Huns, and use a 2 archery/1rax feudal age combo to pump skirms and spearmen. Stay away from gold and stone until your food starts to get plentiful, then get your gold and castle. If there is water go with a 3 dock all galley strat. Make galleys until you win the water, then make a ton of fishing boats. I used to use a fire boat rush, but that takes a lot of timing and knowledge of the game. Good luck, its a great game. | ||
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Madkipz
Norway1643 Posts
Honestly if you are trying to learn aoe2 in a week you are screwed, there is way too much to learn. Go with the Huns, and use a 2 archery/1rax feudal age combo to pump skirms and spearmen. This <,.<I play competitive once a month with my friends (small scale lan party), while we all suck at the game we often end up with alot of feudal age rushes, i play as huns or Celts so i ended up going triple rax spamming spearmen and when i can afford it some footmen. or when i face off against a friend of mine who loves to turtle i play french because their farms upgrade automatically and it makes for a nice knight rush with the addition of cheaper castles. In team i always go spain because of their relic and trade bonuses. It all depends on what mode you are going for and whats allowed. You could opt for a wonder victory with franks or teutons but its not good on small island maps because of cannon galleys. | ||
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gamecrazy
United States421 Posts
Also, I don't think I made this clear, but this guy does not play random map. He plays Sea of Japan (East Sea) almost exclusively. And it is an island map, so I think I'd better use those water strats, namely massing galleys, correct? | ||
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Belegorm
United States330 Posts
At one point, I did attempt to play AoE1 online (at the time I was trying out the original, then decided to go online). When I read my first strategy guide, it basically told me to proxy double rax (which is basically the idea I had for a long time of what early game is like in rts's). So, what to take from this weird post? Proxy rush! P.S. On second thought, obviously if it's an island map (lol dude) just try and win at a macro game, really. Just beat him with mechanics. When I started playing BW with my buddies at college, I was pretty much the only "serious" player who'd look up liquipedia for pro strats and BOs and what-not. What my friends would do is sit behind a wall of cannons and mass carriers. What I ended up doing is just showing how much more successful it is to play the game "proper" (at least what's standard in this day and age) and I destroyed their massive fleet of carriers with goons and ht (which they were shocked at, that big ships could die without me teching to carriers myself). | ||
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OoFuzer
Chile436 Posts
http://www.aoczone.net is the main community of AoC, where you can find all news about it. If you are going to play a water map, and you want to fight via water, pick Vikings. ALso you can drop at his island fastly and pump Archers. at aoczone you can download thousands of replays. Just look for water maps recorded games. gl | ||
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Iron_
United States389 Posts
I had a better early galley rush with Huns than Vikings, but of course vikings take over as you build more. Go with huns though for simplicities sake, without the hastle of building houses you will have an easier time, and that is more important since you dont know what you are doing. Find his docks and kill his fishing, then boom your own fishing. At that point you are way ahead econ wise since you basically have 4 towncenters to his 1. Go to castle age, drop a couple villagers and make stables, then go in for the kill. I'd say that is the easiest thing to learn to win an island game. | ||
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gamecrazy
United States421 Posts
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ZidaneTribal
United States2800 Posts
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
You should check out the youtube vids of people playing the game, I'm not caught up with the new strategies. There was a broken unstoppable saracen monk rush, and teutonic tcs were overpowered, but I don't think those strategies work on islands. | ||
Arrian
United States889 Posts
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Elite00fm
United States548 Posts
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
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Phayze
Canada2029 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
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Shinjiro
Netherlands10 Posts
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
Be warned that if you let him turtle up too long, you'll never gain naval supremacy. In terms of on-ground combat, Koreans get that +1 range race bonus on their catapults (onagers) so chances are that he'll have them in his mix (assuming he won't attack you until castle age). One or two seconds of bad micro and you could have your ground troops wiped out, watch out. My personal favourite race is the Britons (I love mass longbowmen) but against Koreans I'd probably play Celts and try to harass as fast (and often) as I can with woads. | ||
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USn
United States376 Posts
Age of Empires 2 would be a million times better with proper maps instead of random ones. | ||
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
On July 01 2010 12:12 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: There was a broken unstoppable saracen monk rush. Glad to hear my rush is both broken and unstoppable. | ||
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OoFuzer
Chile436 Posts
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Madkipz
Norway1643 Posts
On July 02 2010 09:40 USn wrote: Since this thread is completely obsolete, just thought I'd throw a new topic out there: Age of Empires 2 would be a million times better with proper maps instead of random ones. Black forest is pretty good but i see what you mean. On July 03 2010 14:14 Saracen wrote: Glad to hear my rush is both broken and unstoppable. lolz, i always felt spanish missionaries where better. xD they are probably the better civ to play against korea with the free ballistics upgrade. Early on that could easily win you the seas and the no gold blacksmith is just a killer deal. | ||
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Hikari
1914 Posts
Too bad I think I have long misplaced my disc/key. On July 02 2010 09:40 USn wrote: Since this thread is completely obsolete, just thought I'd throw a new topic out there: Age of Empires 2 would be a million times better with proper maps instead of random ones. The random maps are actually one of the features which I really liked about the game. Seeing a slightly different map every game can be interesting! | ||
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Icks
France186 Posts
On July 05 2010 17:14 Hikari wrote: Totally agree. Though it cant work with SC because there are fewer resources.The random maps are actually one of the features which I really liked about the game. Seeing a slightly different map every game can be interesting! On July 04 2010 01:30 OoFuzer wrote: 111 11! Audio taunts were really fun in these ES games. Especially knowing that you could make custom taunts for your clanmates. Although it is useless, i miss that in Blizzard games. | ||
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USn
United States376 Posts
On July 05 2010 17:14 Hikari wrote: This thread brings back so many good memories! Too bad I think I have long misplaced my disc/key. The random maps are actually one of the features which I really liked about the game. Seeing a slightly different map every game can be interesting! I feel it really removes a lot of potential depth. For example, in tournaments you aren't allowed to steal your opponent's sheep because on a random map it ruins the game and cranks the luck factor through the roof. With custom maps how much this is or isn't an issue can be scaled to whatever is appropriate. There's just so much well designed maps bring to the table, it's silly to discard them. can you imagine playing quake with randomly generated maps? | ||
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ForSC2
United States580 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=125202 On May 14 2010 03:39 EsX_Raptor wrote: So I developed a new strategy and I want you guys to criticize and shred it apart. Upon game start: BUILD ORDER Queue 2 villagers, take one to build a house and the other two to look for the critical bushes. Upon finding the bushes build a granary next to them and keep making villagers until you have a total of 6. Start saving up to 500 food and start evolving to the tool age. Take a handful of the foraging villagers and make them lumberjack around, resuming villager (and house) production, eventually getting a storage pit in between a dense forest. Once you reach the tool age immediately make a market, start building lots of farms and lumberjacking reaps of wood with insane amounts of villagers. Make a stable and 6 barracks scout with a scout to find your opponent while teching up to and amassing axemen. Upgrade attack and footmen armor. Beat the shit out of him. I know the OP was from 2004 =\ | ||
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Magus
Canada450 Posts
On July 06 2010 16:08 ForSC2 wrote: I think someone made a blog similar to this. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=125202 I know the OP was from 2004 =\ That's actually Age of Empires 1, Granaries do not exist in AoE2, neither does the tool age. | ||
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lethalboi
France150 Posts
On July 02 2010 09:40 USn wrote: Since this thread is completely obsolete, just thought I'd throw a new topic out there: Age of Empires 2 would be a million times better with proper maps instead of random ones. Your assumption is quite interesting : I would like to know what makes SC a better RTS game than AOE2, is it only the random, custom maps thing or are there other reasons? I'm saying that because I played both and I must admit that the two games require knowledge, timing, good apm, etc... | ||
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ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
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ToT)OjKa(
Korea (South)2437 Posts
Purple? I'll have to get some lan going with my buds once I go back to uni. I didn't play AoE2 as much as I played one but I did like it a lot | ||
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THE_DOMINATOR
United States309 Posts
On July 08 2010 03:06 lethalboi wrote: Your assumption is quite interesting : I would like to know what makes SC a better RTS game than AOE2, is it only the random, custom maps thing or are there other reasons? I'm saying that because I played both and I must admit that the two games require knowledge, timing, good apm, etc... The only difference is that blizzard stuck with the game and continued to release patches for balance etc... where microsoft said screw it and made age of empires 3 which sucked. As for random maps... the way random maps were made in aoe2 were really well done. Each player was stuck near some starting resources every time(of course the distances varied a little bit but not to the extent that anyone got screwed because of crappy luck) but more importantly it made exploration of the map important. If you didn't scout your opponent AND the map in aoe2 you were screwed. It delayed your expo times opened you up to all sorts of proxies and totally fucks your troop placement. It offered unique matchups every game and granted wouldn't work as well with scbw because the maps are smaller but it was one of my favorite features about the game. | ||
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Zurles
United Kingdom1659 Posts
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lethalboi
France150 Posts
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lethalboi
France150 Posts
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ForSC2
United States580 Posts
On July 08 2010 02:24 Magus wrote: That's actually Age of Empires 1, Granaries do not exist in AoE2, neither does the tool age. You're right =) | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
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Trap
United States395 Posts
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R2D2C3PO
Canada105 Posts
On July 08 2010 05:50 Trap wrote: I looked around and http://www.voobly.com/ has a launcher/lobby program for Aoe2X multiplayer matchmaking and ranking. I'm going to try it later tonight, had fond memories of this game. Is that only for serious games? Or weird senarios too. Anyone remember the "blood" games (castle blood, archer blood...) 4v4 castle blood was the best ever but lagged as hell. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On July 08 2010 05:50 Trap wrote: I looked around and http://www.voobly.com/ has a launcher/lobby program for Aoe2X multiplayer matchmaking and ranking. I'm going to try it later tonight, had fond memories of this game. Do you actually need to have the game? I threw mine out when I found out online was gone as I didn't have much taste for single player (I thought the AI was super boring to play vs). I would be SO STOKED to play this until the beta comes back up. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On July 08 2010 06:11 R2D2C3PO wrote: Is that only for serious games? Or weird senarios too. Anyone remember the "blood" games (castle blood, archer blood...) 4v4 castle blood was the best ever but lagged as hell. Archer blood... I think that was one I was realy good at... whatever clan gXs was they specialized in it I think. Castle blood had no skill requirement but was still super fun. Best TDs imo of any game ever created | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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EZjijy
United States1039 Posts
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Trap
United States395 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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USn
United States376 Posts
On July 08 2010 03:35 THE_DOMINATOR wrote:(of course the distances varied a little bit but not to the extent that anyone got screwed because of crappy luck) That's just not true, you could definitely get lucked by the map. On July 08 2010 03:06 lethalboi wrote: Your assumption is quite interesting : I would like to know what makes SC a better RTS game than AOE2, is it only the random, custom maps thing or are there other reasons? I'm saying that because I played both and I must admit that the two games require knowledge, timing, good apm, etc... Well, I think there's a snowball effect here... custom maps interact with strategy. As strategy improves, the maps change to reflect that, and then strategy forms around the new maps, and new maps are created with that knowledge, and so on. So each helps grow the other. I feel certain that no rts game could ever become as deep as sc with random maps. There's another problem, which is that random maps (the aoe way anyway) only change the details. Two games on black forest are not nearly as different as two games on even very similar custom maps, assuming neither player gets screwed by luck. So actually, because there is no incentive to make new maps that are visibly different in playstyle from the old ones, you end up playing the same maps over and over again. | ||
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lethalboi
France150 Posts
It seems to me that in aoe2, it is really difficult to play the perfect game but there is not a lot of strategy whereas in SC, there's no perfect play but there are many strategies, you can do. I mean with aoe2, for civilization X, you do the X strategy which is really difficult to do in terms of skill. In SC, for example, with toss, you can do corsair-dt, 3gates zealot, bulldog, etc... => there are a lot of BO to do and to master. | ||
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Selemender
Netherlands54 Posts
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/29337/Report_Robot_Entertainment_Developing_PC_RTS_Spartan_for_Microsoft_Game_Studios.php | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
Military: from the beggining use archers to harras enemy villagers. while not useful late game (like sc) is is annoying especially if your opponent has spread out resources collections sites. when fighting a field battle keep your archers in the back and use your cavalry to kill off enemy archers. Siege weapons are a lot like siege tanks in sc1, they will kill friendly units, so micro them and all will be well. From my personal experience the best army compostion runs along these lines: 80% cavalry 15% pikeman (to protect the cavalry) 5% seige (rams or trebuchet). Always remember HAVE A BIGGER ARMY! if you can tell the enemy is gonna beat you with size retreat. You can rebuild way faster if you do BW style macro and build a whole bunch of production building, because of the large queue size (15) many people only build a couple production buildings. Well this is about all I have to offer, I hope you win... as a sc convert from AoE I know how stuck up AoE players are. | ||
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
On July 09 2010 03:33 Selemender wrote: The makers of Age of Empires are busy with a new rts game, lets hope this one is more like AoE II instead of III http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/29337/Report_Robot_Entertainment_Developing_PC_RTS_Spartan_for_Microsoft_Game_Studios.php Let's hope so.. if the Age of Empires guys were smart they would have done for Aoe3 like blizzard did for Sc2, maintain the gameplay, add and remove a few things and improve graphics (which was what they did from Aoe1 to Aoe2). End. I hope they see it this time. | ||
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Magus
Canada450 Posts
My question, was it the deck, the explorer and treasure hunting, or the general Colonial musketry that made it bad? I'm curious now... | ||
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Selemender
Netherlands54 Posts
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USn
United States376 Posts
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Kpyolysis32
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Kizlyk
Ukraine84 Posts
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besiger
Croatia2452 Posts
Also there are some builds out there for gay skirmisher rushes, those are fun to harass workers with as fast as possible. | ||
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88.inspades
Philippines32 Posts
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
On July 12 2010 13:46 Magus wrote: So general consensus (or loudest opinion, whichever) seems to be that AoE3 was really bad. My question, was it the deck, the explorer and treasure hunting, or the general Colonial musketry that made it bad? I'm curious now... The deck is probably the worst, followed by trading posts, and native colonies. Those things really don't belong. I personally don't like the musketry and the fact that age of empires 3' time got too close to modern time. Supposedly Age of Empires was about the "age of empires", babylonians, assyrians, romans, huns, etc. This path that they chose on 3, has nothing to do with the premise of the game... That being sad, the graphics are really good, specially on water, in some aspects it's better than SC2 despite being older. But graphics don't make a game good, so... If Microsoft decided to follow Blizzard's path, and remake AoE1 or 2 just with better graphics, and some new units / researches, it'd be a hit. I know a lot of people still playing both, but those are mostly oldschool. Unfortunately, nowadays a lot of young kids only want shiny things on their screen or they label it as boring, so even if they only improved graphics, it would already make it a success. Meh, enough dreaming I'll post a video here later of my favorite player (Arch_Koven_) on a spotlight game, so you guys can nostalgia even more xP | ||
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Magus
Canada450 Posts
On July 14 2010 19:40 Duelist wrote: + Show Spoiler + The deck is probably the worst, followed by trading posts, and native colonies. Those things really don't belong. I personally don't like the musketry and the fact that age of empires 3' time got too close to modern time. Supposedly Age of Empires was about the "age of empires", babylonians, assyrians, romans, huns, etc. This path that they chose on 3, has nothing to do with the premise of the game... That being sad, the graphics are really good, specially on water, in some aspects it's better than SC2 despite being older. But graphics don't make a game good, so... If Microsoft decided to follow Blizzard's path, and remake AoE1 or 2 just with better graphics, and some new units / researches, it'd be a hit. I know a lot of people still playing both, but those are mostly oldschool. Unfortunately, nowadays a lot of young kids only want shiny things on their screen or they label it as boring, so even if they only improved graphics, it would already make it a success. Meh, enough dreaming I'll post a video here later of my favorite player (Arch_Koven_) on a spotlight game, so you guys can nostalgia even more xP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q_7vOXG2zQ To be fair, the British Empire was going strong during the time period of AoE3, so it still technically is an Age of Empire(s).  | ||
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wxlancer
United States14 Posts
I used to play AoK/AoC competitively. The game is quite long and has a big learning curve, although the prevalent metagame strategy in 1v1 is currently a dark rush followed by fast castle, harassing with cav archers for a decisive economic advantage, then finish in Imperial Age or in Castle with 2/2 knights, siege, and appropriate counter units. You will also see variations like the standard flush to castle, or the Aztec fast castle (eagle warriors have no feudal age counter). Of course with the varying settings you could be talking about DM or any number of maps or settings, but I'm outlining how a standard 1v1 Arabia game is expected to go. If you're playing on a water map, it's usually a fast feudal galley rush for water control, followed by a landing. If you haven't played the game I would argue it is not worth your time to learn it, especially if your friends already know how to play...again, the skill gap between a noob (rookies as they are called in aok/aoc) and an intermediate player is HUGE. This is an apm intensive game with very refined bulid orders, and while the races aren't all that different, there is a huge crop of units to choose from, and buildings are not easy to destroy so completely killing someone off can take awhile. The predominant race in competitive games is Huns - they save a ton of wood, hassle, clutter, and villager work time from not needing to build houses, and stable units are a staple for raids and main army composition. Good luck! | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On February 18 2011 02:23 wxlancer wrote: I came across this thread while looking to see if anyone had made an oldschool age2 players thread. Have you succeeded in your quest? I used to play AoK/AoC competitively. The game is quite long and has a big learning curve, although the prevalent metagame strategy in 1v1 is currently a dark rush followed by fast castle, harassing with cav archers for a decisive economic advantage, then finish in Imperial Age or in Castle with 2/2 knights, siege, and appropriate counter units. You will also see variations like the standard flush to castle, or the Aztec fast castle (eagle warriors have no feudal age counter). Of course with the varying settings you could be talking about DM or any number of maps or settings, but I'm outlining how a standard 1v1 Arabia game is expected to go. If you're playing on a water map, it's usually a fast feudal galley rush for water control, followed by a landing. If you haven't played the game I would argue it is not worth your time to learn it, especially if your friends already know how to play...again, the skill gap between a noob (rookies as they are called in aok/aoc) and an intermediate player is HUGE. This is an apm intensive game with very refined bulid orders, and while the races aren't all that different, there is a huge crop of units to choose from, and buildings are not easy to destroy so completely killing someone off can take awhile. The predominant race in competitive games is Huns - they save a ton of wood, hassle, clutter, and villager work time from not needing to build houses, and stable units are a staple for raids and main army composition. Good luck! This thread is over 6 years old ^_^. Interesting post none the less. Played AoE2 for quite a while but never got to the competitive side of it. | ||
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harDmug
United Kingdom116 Posts
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cheeseyesplz
United Kingdom82 Posts
british longbowmen RAPE with ridiculous range teutons have the teutonic soldiers which are ridiculously OP when upgraded to elite - the counter to teutons are usually the byzantines as their cataphracts are good vs them i like the japanese even though they aren't that good i just admire samurai. my personal fave unit combo is having a 2:1 combo of knights:mounted archers (with 1 scout for better range) to act as a sort of "shock unit"...like mutas to harass the fuck out of things as they are extremely mobile, and they are very strong in this case (unless it's versus spearman) | ||
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Athos
United States2484 Posts
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Coriolis
United States1152 Posts
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On February 18 2011 02:51 cheeseyesplz wrote: france are good due to cheap castles etc and give knights additional HP iirc british longbowmen RAPE with ridiculous range teutons have the teutonic soldiers which are ridiculously OP when upgraded to elite - the counter to teutons are usually the byzantines as their cataphracts are good vs them i like the japanese even though they aren't that good i just admire samurai. my personal fave unit combo is having a 2:1 combo of knights:mounted archers (with 1 scout for better range) to act as a sort of "shock unit"...like mutas to harass the fuck out of things as they are extremely mobile, and they are very strong in this case (unless it's versus spearman) What ... lol all the races you mentioned are terrible except ironically the Japanese because they can dominate a map with fish and their unique tech is amazing with the best champion spam (arguably). British are passable but a complete joke against any top races. Tiers are Huns Mongols One of the Mezo races (I forget, Mayans or Aztecs) Chinese with 23940782384723apm Some other mishmash are right below but I forgot them since I pretty much only played Mongols. | ||
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holynorth
United States590 Posts
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iko
New Zealand137 Posts
Byzantine Goths Everything else pales in comparison | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On February 18 2011 03:38 holynorth wrote: Above tiers are ok.. but if you want to "cheese" just rush siege with the celts. That was the most common strategy to play in the competitive scene until it was banned from most tournaments. A Hun/Mongol flush will kill any attempt at rushing to siege easily. In fact, any well executed flush wll kill a siege rush attempt. Celts are decent still as they can get fast wood which gives them a decent feudal. And the only way I can picturing losing to turks would be falling asleep on the keyboard. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
As the thread name implies this is a general thread about AoE, what's the average apm of top AoE players? What's the most OP strategy you can imagine? I 1v2 my friends on lans and such, and it'd be awesome with some actual strategy to tip the balance even more in my favour ^^ I doubt AoE 2 is fully balanced, as it's been mentioned above. | ||
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wxlancer
United States14 Posts
I do think the unique unit part of the game was cool, just too often not a factor in competitive games. Since the huns and the mesos don't have champions, you could easily go hundreds of 1v1 arabia matches without seeing a champ flood! Although I could see Japanese as a nice mid to lategame counter to meso. I actually wonder how elite samurai match up against elite jags. Barring any recent changes, IGZones still offers age2, a big lobby with many South American and Asian players. You can always get into those giant 4v4 LN games that are so popular these days. | ||
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holynorth
United States590 Posts
On February 18 2011 03:52 KissBlade wrote: A Hun/Mongol flush will kill any attempt at rushing to siege easily. In fact, any well executed flush wll kill a siege rush attempt. Celts are decent still as they can get fast wood which gives them a decent feudal. And the only way I can picturing losing to turks would be falling asleep on the keyboard. How can the Huns or Mongols stop Ongangers / Scorpion rush from the Celts? I don't see how it's possible. The strategy was called broken and banned in tournaments / online play for a reason. Scorpions in mass are nearly unstoppable. The mangudal isn't going to do much especially with halberds or a few paladins near the scorpions. | ||
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wxlancer
United States14 Posts
On February 18 2011 05:05 holynorth wrote: How can the mongols stop Ongangers / Scorpion rush from the Celts? I don't see how it's possible. The strategy was called broken and banned in tournaments / online play for a reason. In what tournament/online play are you talking about? And what game mode is this? Are you talking about 1v1 Michi, DM, or RM? The premiere public rated gaming league for Age of Empires 2 was the MSN Gaming Zone, and at no point was any strategy or race involving the Celts officially or unofficially banned, patched, etc. Look at any of the prestigious tournaments - noone played Celts. You'll see Celt at most in a water map team game, or a big 4v4, or Michi/DM. A standard flush gets to feudal at about 11:00 and starts hitting you a minute later, especially if you're fast castling. Even if you have a completely wallable map, siege is too slow and immobile to pose a serious threat to someone who has map control - this is essentially an age version of a one base all-in. If you're thinking of forward building workshops, forget about it - either your economy will be in shambles if you get forwarded, or your shops will simply get palisaded in with your workers killed. Even a scout heavy feudal composition destroys scattered siege. And no decent player is going to engage your onagers with archery range units. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
In the original AoK the best 1v1 civ was Chinese. You could also potentially play with Mongols, Brits, and Byz as well, though the strategy was different. The original AoK was balanced better than AoC. | ||
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wxlancer
United States14 Posts
I think the Chinese had a smaller food penalty in AoK as well, so it wasn't as risky, almost a guaranteed payoff with 6 vil. The Hun houseless bonus is just ridiculous. As an econ heavy game before people refined their builds I feel AoK/AoC has alot of transferrable RTS skills to starcraft - composition and sustained macro are huge. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
And yes, Chinese started with 50 food in Aok. In AoC they start with none (and less wood too) | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On February 18 2011 05:39 wherebugsgo wrote: TCs have a bonus vs camels? I thought the discrepancy was simply that camels have no piercing armor while knights have base 2. And yes, Chinese started with 50 food in Aok. In AoC they start with none (and less wood too) I thought camels had attack bonus vs horses | ||
Perscienter
957 Posts
Somehow my AoK CD is broken. Age of Empires also has the superior soundtrack. They should release refurbished versions of AoE and AoK with mainly ai and ui improvements. | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
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yesitsrob
United Kingdom43 Posts
There were like 3 viable civilizations at high level, namely huns, mongols (only really in 2v2 with a hun) and aztec and every game played pretty similar to the last. Huns no housing saved so much on wood making them pretty sick at the whole Skirmisher harass which was pretty much the standard on Arabia. Viking pretty much dominated on Islands too. Some of the civs people said were good in this thread 5 years ago were sooo sooo wrong ! | ||
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wxlancer
United States14 Posts
@wherebugsgo - yep, pretty sure there's a bug. @blast camels do have an attack bonus against horses It's good to see there's still plenty of interest and people who play this game, I played an sc2 4v4 against one of the old StorM players a few weeks ago, wondering just how many oldschoolers there are here! | ||
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