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Yaecan
Profile Joined August 2010
France9 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-02 15:05:26
March 02 2011 14:55 GMT
#21
I like the old-school SNES's RPG like :
- Chrono trigger
- Final fantasy 6
- Tales of phantasia
- Secret of mana
- Secret of evermore
In my opinion, they are really since they have a really good storyline and different fight systems.
Even if you can't choose you're way, you can't say that there are not RPGs :D
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-02 15:23:36
March 02 2011 15:20 GMT
#22
Just wanted to direct y'all to this blog- http://crpgaddict.blogspot.com

It's pretty awesome. This guy has set himself the mad challenge of playing every crpg ever made (not including console games) from the 80's up until present day and blogging about them!

BTW- I think Ultima IV was/is the Best roleplaying game ever.
Zhou
Profile Joined February 2009
United States832 Posts
March 02 2011 15:24 GMT
#23
If anyone's a fan of dungeon crawling series and has a DS that they have access to, I suggest any of the Etrian Odyssey games. Has this mapping labyrinth feature and some customability to your 5-man party with up to 30 members to that guild. Not exactly the most graphical game, but I always thought its gameplay made up for it.

Very little story involved in it.

If you're looking something to be a lot funner and more demanding and mean, definitely Demons Souls. I always thought Atlus made good RPG games without murdering it too much.

Trying to think of some others that no body hasn't said yet... It's too bad I can't say the newest installation of Golden Sun was great like the others.
ProfessorCold
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States41 Posts
March 02 2011 15:46 GMT
#24
Chrono Trigger is definitely the best, it would be hard to top it.

But other excellent ones (that I've played) include FF Tactics Advance, Fire Emblem (GBA), FF9, and of course, the fan favorite...

POKEMON BLUE
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Zanzabar Haberdasher
Profile Joined July 2010
United States510 Posts
March 02 2011 15:56 GMT
#25
Chrono Trigger, Shining Force 2, Phantasy Star 2+, Live and Live, Tactics Ogre: Let us Cling Together, Sukoden 2, FF3.

So many games to discuss..
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-02 17:11:46
March 02 2011 17:11 GMT
#26
My favorites are Planescape Torment and Icewind Dale series which are IMO the best Black Isle / Bioware games to the day. I found Baldur's Gate 1/2 to be pretty damn good, but I have to rank it a notch lower. While they tried to combine the "best of both worlds" and make the game so that it has everything, it turned out to be inferior to Torment story-wise, and IWD (especially 2) gameplay-wise.

I've also found that Morrowind and Oblivion, while originally horrible, tend to be kickass RPGs when loaded with the best community mods for each. You have to deal with the occasional crash and compatibility issues, but it's so worth it.
Bibdy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3481 Posts
March 02 2011 17:20 GMT
#27
I believe the magic of roleplaying video games is in the depth of the consequences of your choices. If you make a decision that only has an immediate effect on the story, then that's not very deep. Such as completing an object-hunt, turning it in and getting some cash. If the decision has both immediate and long-term effects on the game, then it becomes a much more solid roleplaying experience. For instance, if you make a decision to attack a peaceful town, your token white-knight party member takes offence and leaves (immediate consequence). He/she then returns later with a posse to bring you to justice (long-term consequence). That's cool.
LolnoobInsanity
Profile Joined May 2010
United States183 Posts
March 02 2011 22:12 GMT
#28
Apart from DnD, I don't think any of the games mentioned in this thread are actually roleplaying games. But for the best roleplaying experience, all you really need is some weed, some friends, and a sense of adventure.

Ah how I miss the days of "playing pretend." And no, I won't grow up. so
Xapti
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2473 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-03 00:40:25
March 03 2011 00:26 GMT
#29
On March 03 2011 00:46 ProfessorCold wrote:
Chrono Trigger is definitely the best, it would be hard to top it.
But other excellent ones (that I've played) include FF Tactics Advance, Fire Emblem (GBA), FF9, and of course, the fan favorite...
POKEMON BLUE

On March 03 2011 00:56 Zanzabar Haberdasher wrote:
Chrono Trigger, Shining Force 2, Phantasy Star 2+, Live and Live, Tactics Ogre: Let us Cling Together, Sukoden 2, FF3.
So many games to discuss..

You read the OP? those two posts don't seem to many many, if any Games that I would say have a minimal amount of RP content to be called an RPG.
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On March 02 2011 17:00 Neverm0re wrote:
With RPG I don't mean game where you build your hero, but roleplaying game. For example, in Diablo I can't chose path of my character, wheter is he good or evil and stuff like that. But for example in Dragonage or mentioned Fallout, I can dio with my character nearly everything.

On March 02 2011 23:55 Yaecan wrote:
I like the old-school SNES's RPG like :
- Chrono trigger
- Final fantasy 6
- Tales of phantasia
- Secret of mana
- Secret of evermore
In my opinion, they are really since they have a really good storyline and different fight systems.
Even if you can't choose you're way, you can't say that there are not RPGs :D

I can easily say those are not RPGs. What would I call them? turn-based combat action-adventure, for instance (or just action-adventure).

There are many good ways (as opposed to popular/current) games can be categorized. However, the biggest issue with such a system I can can think of is whether it's important to include information regarding the leveling/gearing-up of the character or not. I'm leaning towards it not being important.

Anyway, on topic, Baldur's gate 2 is my favorite game that could pass as an RPG. Overall though, PC/video games tend to not have much RP aspects to them unless it's just a kinda a sandbox MMO. BG2 definitely isn't a high RP content game, but I would say it's the best that has at least minimum RP content.
For most RP games I'd have to go with MMOs like Entropia Universe, Second Life, Planeshift (free), not that it's a complete list, but includes the more popular ones.
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Ian Ian Ian
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
915 Posts
March 03 2011 00:56 GMT
#30
On March 03 2011 09:26 Xapti wrote:
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On March 03 2011 00:46 ProfessorCold wrote:
Chrono Trigger is definitely the best, it would be hard to top it.
But other excellent ones (that I've played) include FF Tactics Advance, Fire Emblem (GBA), FF9, and of course, the fan favorite...
POKEMON BLUE

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On March 03 2011 00:56 Zanzabar Haberdasher wrote:
Chrono Trigger, Shining Force 2, Phantasy Star 2+, Live and Live, Tactics Ogre: Let us Cling Together, Sukoden 2, FF3.
So many games to discuss..

You read the OP? those two posts don't seem to many many, if any Games that I would say have a minimal amount of RP content to be called an RPG.
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On March 02 2011 17:00 Neverm0re wrote:
With RPG I don't mean game where you build your hero, but roleplaying game. For example, in Diablo I can't chose path of my character, wheter is he good or evil and stuff like that. But for example in Dragonage or mentioned Fallout, I can dio with my character nearly everything.

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On March 02 2011 23:55 Yaecan wrote:
I like the old-school SNES's RPG like :
- Chrono trigger
- Final fantasy 6
- Tales of phantasia
- Secret of mana
- Secret of evermore
In my opinion, they are really since they have a really good storyline and different fight systems.
Even if you can't choose you're way, you can't say that there are not RPGs :D

I can easily say those are not RPGs. What would I call them? turn-based combat action-adventure, for instance (or just action-adventure).

There are many good ways (as opposed to popular/current) games can be categorized. However, the biggest issue with such a system I can can think of is whether it's important to include information regarding the leveling/gearing-up of the character or not. I'm leaning towards it not being important.

Anyway, on topic, Baldur's gate 2 is my favorite game that could pass as an RPG. Overall though, PC/video games tend to not have much RP aspects to them unless it's just a kinda a sandbox MMO. BG2 definitely isn't a high RP content game, but I would say it's the best that has at least minimum RP content.
For most RP games I'd have to go with MMOs like Entropia Universe, Second Life, Planeshift (free), not that it's a complete list, but includes the more popular ones.


Your an idiot.

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slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
March 03 2011 00:58 GMT
#31
I totally agree with the OP. Fallout 2 was just a great game, it was so funny and clever. Even the huge number of bugs were funny. I still get nostalgic when I think trying to punch an ant in the head with a 13% chance of success.

And yeah, Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross were really magical. For some reason, I don't really like playing JRPGs these days, I beat FF13 (blegh,) Star Ocean 4 (BLERG,) and Lost Odyssey (less blegh) but really had to force myself to finish them.
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braammbolius
Profile Joined May 2005
179 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-03 02:57:04
March 03 2011 02:44 GMT
#32
On March 02 2011 22:03 plated.rawr wrote:
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On March 02 2011 20:26 braammbolius wrote:
On March 02 2011 17:12 plated.rawr wrote:
in computer game tradition, RPG means a set of mechanics and character progression rather than a way of telling the story, of character interaction.


Uh, let's see here......No.

You are describing a dungeon crawler, not an RPG.

Kids these days..

No, I'm describing the character progression elements, while you make a sweeping generalization of gameplay mechanics. Two widely different elements.


My point is that a set of mechanics and character progression without telling a story isn't an RPG, it's a dungeon crawler.
Computer or no.

Edit: It's obv debatable what would/should/could qualify as a "story" but you get my drift.


plated.rawr
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Norway1676 Posts
March 03 2011 03:41 GMT
#33
On March 03 2011 11:44 braammbolius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2011 22:03 plated.rawr wrote:
On March 02 2011 20:26 braammbolius wrote:
On March 02 2011 17:12 plated.rawr wrote:
in computer game tradition, RPG means a set of mechanics and character progression rather than a way of telling the story, of character interaction.


Uh, let's see here......No.

You are describing a dungeon crawler, not an RPG.

Kids these days..

No, I'm describing the character progression elements, while you make a sweeping generalization of gameplay mechanics. Two widely different elements.


My point is that a set of mechanics and character progression without telling a story isn't an RPG, it's a dungeon crawler.
Computer or no.

Edit: It's obv debatable what would/should/could qualify as a "story" but you get my drift.



I disagree. Console and computer-based RPGs stem from pen and paper tradition, but limitations and coding focus with the electronic gaming platforms obviously makes humanized elements such as story adaptation and spontanity very difficult to simulate. Therefore, while electronic RPGs do have a tradition of a strong story to carry the player's interest, the most unmodified element brought from pen and paper has been the gameplay mechanics - combat systems, leveling systems, stat systems and so on.

"Dungeon crawler" as genre is more a child of electronic RPG, and as thus cannot supercede RPG as a category. A game can be a RPG dungeon crawler, but not a dungeon crawler without at the same time being a RPG due to the mechanics it borrows from the pen and paper tradition. And, If I'm not mistaken, the entire "dungeon crawler" genre was not made untill there had been at least some successful RPG adaptations from pen and paper to electronic format.
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tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
March 03 2011 03:52 GMT
#34
On March 03 2011 07:12 LolnoobInsanity wrote:
Apart from DnD, I don't think any of the games mentioned in this thread are actually roleplaying games. But for the best roleplaying experience, all you really need is some weed, some friends, and a sense of adventure.

Ah how I miss the days of "playing pretend." And no, I won't grow up. so


Why do you think Ultima IV isn't a roleplaying game?
Rotodyne
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2263 Posts
March 03 2011 03:53 GMT
#35
gotta ketch um all.......pokemon...
I can only play starcraft when I am shit canned. IPXZERG is a god.
Juddas
Profile Joined January 2011
768 Posts
March 03 2011 03:56 GMT
#36
Dont know if you guys consider Fire Emblem an RPG but those games are awesome. there arent many games out there where you can alter the storyline as much as you're saying.


same thing with Pokemon but really FE, FESS, FE path of radiance, radiant dawn, shadow dragon i guess(meh) are all really awesome games and there is nothing better than a weekend speed run on a good rom at x4 speed
curreh
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia265 Posts
March 03 2011 03:58 GMT
#37
Great thread, thanks for all the suggestions I've been wanting to play some rpg's lately : ) I really enjoyed stuff like FF9, Final fantasy tactics advance, Fire emblem on the gba, could anybody suggest something that i might thoroughly enjoy? :D
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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
March 03 2011 04:01 GMT
#38
On March 03 2011 12:58 curreh wrote:
Great thread, thanks for all the suggestions I've been wanting to play some rpg's lately : ) I really enjoyed stuff like FF9, Final fantasy tactics advance, Fire emblem on the gba, could anybody suggest something that i might thoroughly enjoy? :D


the new Tactics Ogre game for PSP seems right up your alley
Probably Golden Sun/Lost age as well
and if you're a superhardcore FE fan, try playing ChinaFE

also lol@4x rom runs, those have almost starcraft levels of apm, cept pokemon, where i have play at 1000% + just to prevent falling sleep
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Juddas
Profile Joined January 2011
768 Posts
March 03 2011 04:01 GMT
#39
On March 03 2011 12:58 curreh wrote:
Great thread, thanks for all the suggestions I've been wanting to play some rpg's lately : ) I really enjoyed stuff like FF9, Final fantasy tactics advance, Fire emblem on the gba, could anybody suggest something that i might thoroughly enjoy? :D


any of the fire emblem series especially the japanese ones if you can understand them. i realllly like sacred stones tpp
curreh
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia265 Posts
March 03 2011 04:09 GMT
#40
thanks guys! yeah I've read about that tactics ogre game, I might try play it on my computer if you know what I mean haha, are we allowed to talk about that on teamliquid? XD

ahaha I know i can't play pokemon anymore at normal speed, without holding that spacebar for the vba it's just not the same lol

I loved sacred stones! I think I played the first one, just plain fire emblem and never finished it because i sucked at it, but I loved the hell out of sacred stones, what are the best fire emblem games?
SlayerS Hwaiting! : )
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