RPG games-Discusions about games and roleplay

On March 02 2011 17:02 Kyhol wrote:
Shining force 1 2

On March 02 2011 17:12 plated.rawr wrote:
in computer game tradition, RPG means a set of mechanics and character progression rather than a way of telling the story, of character interaction.

On March 02 2011 20:26 braammbolius wrote:


Uh, let's see here......No.

You are describing a dungeon crawler, not an RPG.

Kids these days..

On March 02 2011 22:12 Alakabon wrote:
I really enjoyed The Witcher.

If you can get past all the loading screens it is a great RPG!

On March 03 2011 00:46 ProfessorCold wrote:
Chrono Trigger is definitely the best, it would be hard to top it.
But other excellent ones (that I've played) include FF Tactics Advance, Fire Emblem (GBA), FF9, and of course, the fan favorite...
POKEMON BLUE

On March 03 2011 00:56 Zanzabar Haberdasher wrote:
Chrono Trigger, Shining Force 2, Phantasy Star 2+, Live and Live, Tactics Ogre: Let us Cling Together, Sukoden 2, FF3.
So many games to discuss..

On March 02 2011 23:55 Yaecan wrote:
I like the old-school SNES's RPG like :
- Chrono trigger
- Final fantasy 6
- Tales of phantasia
- Secret of mana
- Secret of evermore
In my opinion, they are really since they have a really good storyline and different fight systems.
Even if you can't choose you're way, you can't say that there are not RPGs :D

On March 03 2011 09:26 Xapti wrote:


You read the OP? those two posts don't seem to many many, if any Games that I would say have a minimal amount of RP content to be called an RPG.
+ Show Spoiler +

I can easily say those are not RPGs. What would I call them? turn-based combat action-adventure, for instance (or just action-adventure).

There are many good ways (as opposed to popular/current) games can be categorized. However, the biggest issue with such a system I can can think of is whether it's important to include information regarding the leveling/gearing-up of the character or not. I'm leaning towards it not being important.

Anyway, on topic, Baldur's gate 2 is my favorite game that could pass as an RPG. Overall though, PC/video games tend to not have much RP aspects to them unless it's just a kinda a sandbox MMO. BG2 definitely isn't a high RP content game, but I would say it's the best that has at least minimum RP content.
For most RP games I'd have to go with MMOs like Entropia Universe, Second Life, Planeshift (free), not that it's a complete list, but includes the more popular ones.

On March 02 2011 22:03 plated.rawr wrote:

No, I'm describing the character progression elements, while you make a sweeping generalization of gameplay mechanics. Two widely different elements.

On March 03 2011 11:44 braammbolius wrote:


My point is that a set of mechanics and character progression without telling a story isn't an RPG, it's a dungeon crawler.
Computer or no.

Edit: It's obv debatable what would/should/could qualify as a "story" but you get my drift.

On March 03 2011 07:12 LolnoobInsanity wrote:
Apart from DnD, I don't think any of the games mentioned in this thread are actually roleplaying games. But for the best roleplaying experience, all you really need is some weed, some friends, and a sense of adventure.

Ah how I miss the days of "playing pretend." And no, I won't grow up. so

On March 03 2011 12:58 curreh wrote:
Great thread, thanks for all the suggestions I've been wanting to play some rpg's lately : ) I really enjoyed stuff like FF9, Final fantasy tactics advance, Fire emblem on the gba, could anybody suggest something that i might thoroughly enjoy? :D

On March 03 2011 12:58 curreh wrote:
Great thread, thanks for all the suggestions I've been wanting to play some rpg's lately : ) I really enjoyed stuff like FF9, Final fantasy tactics advance, Fire emblem on the gba, could anybody suggest something that i might thoroughly enjoy? :D

On March 03 2011 12:41 plated.rawr wrote:

I disagree. Console and computer-based RPGs stem from pen and paper tradition, but limitations and coding focus with the electronic gaming platforms obviously makes humanized elements such as story adaptation and spontanity very difficult to simulate. Therefore, while electronic RPGs do have a tradition of a strong story to carry the player's interest, the most unmodified element brought from pen and paper has been the gameplay mechanics - combat systems, leveling systems, stat systems and so on.

"Dungeon crawler" as genre is more a child of electronic RPG, and as thus cannot supercede RPG as a category. A game can be a RPG dungeon crawler, but not a dungeon crawler without at the same time being a RPG due to the mechanics it borrows from the pen and paper tradition. And, If I'm not mistaken, the entire "dungeon crawler" genre was not made untill there had been at least some successful RPG adaptations from pen and paper to electronic format.

On March 05 2011 03:07 braammbolius wrote:


Lmfao, but I have come to the conclusion some time ago that online discussions are a no-no.
So I'll just leave it at that.

also

On March 05 2011 03:20 Shockk wrote:
Recommend some good RPG games
Most underrated RPGs?
My Top 10 RPGs of All Time (blog)
Your favorite RPG (PC)?
RPGs? (blog)
The best RPG ever?
RPG recommendations
Favorite RPG game

And of course the general RPG search results on TL.

And that wasn't enough and we desperately needed yet another thread?

On March 05 2011 03:33 plated.rawr wrote:

If you had read the OP, you'd realise that he asked for roleplaying elements, not RPG mechanics, which is what the other threads mainly focuses on.

Don't worry though, nearly nobody else in this thread read the OP either.

On March 05 2011 05:48 Shockk wrote:


Get off your high horse. Asking about RPGs and explicitely excluding dungeon crawlers or action-RPGs doesn't warrant creating yet another RPG thread when this board is littered with them already. Especially if the OP doesn't look like too much effort was put into it or the search function was used. This will turn into yet another 50-150 post long thread of people listing BG2, Planescape Torment, debating whether Mass Effect and FF are RPGs, and some console gamers will name some RPGs everyone else has never heard of.

If the OP had been of decent quality, had included a nice introduction and maybe a notice that the author was aware of the other threads but of the opinion that a new one was indeed neccessary (and specified why exactly this was the case) - I'd gladly have participated in a constructive discussion since I love the genre. All we have here, however, is just one more "list your favorite RPG" thread with a tad of flavor to it which will vanish on page 2 in a matter of days (at best).

On March 05 2011 06:23 Shockk wrote:
You implied I didn't read the OP and I wanted you to get off your horse. I think we're even on ad hominems, and can agree on the OP lacking effort. Alright ?

On March 05 2011 03:13 plated.rawr wrote:

What's the cover of a 2001 steampunk rpg supposed to exemplify? The RPG genre within video games had been active for over 15 years when that was released, so that's hardly a refuting point to anything I've said.

Also, instead of doing the "lolo u guis sux, u not wort resposnss", tell me instead where I'm wrong and back it up properly.

Edit: unless, of course, your image was meant as a very late and unstructured answer to the thread even though you quoted my post and thus seemingly made it in response to that.