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Neverm0re
Slovakia15 Posts
Mine is Fallout 2, because it's so complex and my actions may have great impact on world. With RPG I don't mean game where you build your hero, but roleplaying game. For example, in Diablo I can't chose path of my character, wheter is he good or evil and stuff like that. But for example in Dragonage or mentioned Fallout, I can dio with my character nearly everything. Yes, there are some quests that I have to do, but I can often chose HOW to complete them. | ||
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Kyhol
Canada2575 Posts
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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
That being said, Morrowind is probably my favorite video game RPG. Certainly better than the travesty that was Oblivion. The setting was incredibly original feeling, the fact that everything didn't scale relative to your character and was essentially static (mostly) meant that you could TELL when you were becoming more powerful, and directly benefit from it, and that if you were wily enough you could snag loot that was beyond your level. Also, unlike Oblivion, the super powerful items actually felt strong. | ||
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pedduck
Thailand468 Posts
But on the topic, I like dragon age and mass effect. Actually all the game from Bioware is great including NW2 and Knight of the old republic. | ||
Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On March 02 2011 17:02 Kyhol wrote: Shining force 1 2 You didn't like 3? I loooved 3. | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
The generic universal roleplaying system? The guys doing fallout wanted to use it, but they are purists and said they didnt want their system being used for computer games, so the fallout guys made a similar one suited for their game. nothing beats pen and paper roleplay wise, games are just interactive movies compared to it. | ||
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plated.rawr
Norway1676 Posts
Shouldn't this be in sports and games? Anyhow, for the roleplaying aspect, Fallout 1 and 2 definately are pretty great. Planescape: Torment is a given. I never much liked the Forgotten Realms-DND games (Baldur's Gate series, Neverwinter Nights-series) for roleplaying though, as they pretty much always fell back on hack and slash for vast ammounts of the game, making the roleplaying parts superficial or irrelevant to the game. Edit: While Mass Effect 2 was a great game, its roleplaying elements were pretty weak. You basically had three choices in any situation - douchebag, apathic and idealistic. Your act really didnt have much to say either - some NPCs might react differently when you talk to them, but the game world was largely untouched by whatever your character did. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
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AlecPyron
United States131 Posts
Well, for those kinda of games I liked the old Ultima series. If you count JRPGs, I love Suikoden series, specially Suikoden II. You had some choices that had impact of the outcome of some aspects of the game (like ending or having or not extra characters). | ||
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kazansky
Germany931 Posts
But why is this posted in General instead of Sports & Games and how is it not covered by this thread? | ||
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Sarchasm
South Africa64 Posts
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braammbolius
179 Posts
Patch it, and be ready for prob one of the last true RPG's made in the last 10 years. So good......so good. | ||
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braammbolius
179 Posts
On March 02 2011 17:12 plated.rawr wrote: in computer game tradition, RPG means a set of mechanics and character progression rather than a way of telling the story, of character interaction. Uh, let's see here......No. You are describing a dungeon crawler, not an RPG. Kids these days.. | ||
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plated.rawr
Norway1676 Posts
On March 02 2011 20:26 braammbolius wrote: Uh, let's see here......No. You are describing a dungeon crawler, not an RPG. Kids these days.. No, I'm describing the character progression elements, while you make a sweeping generalization of gameplay mechanics. Two widely different elements. | ||
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Alakabon
Canada111 Posts
If you can get past all the loading screens it is a great RPG! | ||
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Ghin
United States2391 Posts
On March 02 2011 22:12 Alakabon wrote: I really enjoyed The Witcher. If you can get past all the loading screens it is a great RPG! And if you can get past the inventory system, terrible dialogue, and simple combat. (I enjoyed the witcher, please don't kill me) | ||
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Complete
United States1864 Posts
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Billy_
461 Posts
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stalking.d00m
213 Posts
Eagerly waiting for the Witcher:Assassins of the kings. I think thats about to be launched.  Edit: ^ good to see we are on same page *high fives* | ||
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stenole
Norway868 Posts
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Yaecan
France9 Posts
- Chrono trigger - Final fantasy 6 - Tales of phantasia - Secret of mana - Secret of evermore In my opinion, they are really since they have a really good storyline and different fight systems. Even if you can't choose you're way, you can't say that there are not RPGs :D | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
It's pretty awesome. This guy has set himself the mad challenge of playing every crpg ever made (not including console games) from the 80's up until present day and blogging about them! BTW- I think Ultima IV was/is the Best roleplaying game ever.  | ||
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Zhou
United States832 Posts
Very little story involved in it. If you're looking something to be a lot funner and more demanding and mean, definitely Demons Souls. I always thought Atlus made good RPG games without murdering it too much. Trying to think of some others that no body hasn't said yet... It's too bad I can't say the newest installation of Golden Sun was great like the others. | ||
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ProfessorCold
United States41 Posts
But other excellent ones (that I've played) include FF Tactics Advance, Fire Emblem (GBA), FF9, and of course, the fan favorite... POKEMON BLUE | ||
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Zanzabar Haberdasher
United States510 Posts
So many games to discuss.. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
I've also found that Morrowind and Oblivion, while originally horrible, tend to be kickass RPGs when loaded with the best community mods for each. You have to deal with the occasional crash and compatibility issues, but it's so worth it. | ||
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
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LolnoobInsanity
United States183 Posts
Ah how I miss the days of "playing pretend." And no, I won't grow up. so  | ||
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
On March 03 2011 00:46 ProfessorCold wrote: Chrono Trigger is definitely the best, it would be hard to top it. But other excellent ones (that I've played) include FF Tactics Advance, Fire Emblem (GBA), FF9, and of course, the fan favorite... POKEMON BLUE On March 03 2011 00:56 Zanzabar Haberdasher wrote: Chrono Trigger, Shining Force 2, Phantasy Star 2+, Live and Live, Tactics Ogre: Let us Cling Together, Sukoden 2, FF3. So many games to discuss.. You read the OP? those two posts don't seem to many many, if any Games that I would say have a minimal amount of RP content to be called an RPG. + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2011 17:00 Neverm0re wrote: With RPG I don't mean game where you build your hero, but roleplaying game. For example, in Diablo I can't chose path of my character, wheter is he good or evil and stuff like that. But for example in Dragonage or mentioned Fallout, I can dio with my character nearly everything. On March 02 2011 23:55 Yaecan wrote: I like the old-school SNES's RPG like : - Chrono trigger - Final fantasy 6 - Tales of phantasia - Secret of mana - Secret of evermore In my opinion, they are really since they have a really good storyline and different fight systems. Even if you can't choose you're way, you can't say that there are not RPGs :D I can easily say those are not RPGs. What would I call them? turn-based combat action-adventure, for instance (or just action-adventure). There are many good ways (as opposed to popular/current) games can be categorized. However, the biggest issue with such a system I can can think of is whether it's important to include information regarding the leveling/gearing-up of the character or not. I'm leaning towards it not being important. Anyway, on topic, Baldur's gate 2 is my favorite game that could pass as an RPG. Overall though, PC/video games tend to not have much RP aspects to them unless it's just a kinda a sandbox MMO. BG2 definitely isn't a high RP content game, but I would say it's the best that has at least minimum RP content. For most RP games I'd have to go with MMOs like Entropia Universe, Second Life, Planeshift (free), not that it's a complete list, but includes the more popular ones. | ||
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Ian Ian Ian
915 Posts
On March 03 2011 09:26 Xapti wrote: You read the OP? those two posts don't seem to many many, if any Games that I would say have a minimal amount of RP content to be called an RPG. + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2011 17:00 Neverm0re wrote: With RPG I don't mean game where you build your hero, but roleplaying game. For example, in Diablo I can't chose path of my character, wheter is he good or evil and stuff like that. But for example in Dragonage or mentioned Fallout, I can dio with my character nearly everything. I can easily say those are not RPGs. What would I call them? turn-based combat action-adventure, for instance (or just action-adventure). There are many good ways (as opposed to popular/current) games can be categorized. However, the biggest issue with such a system I can can think of is whether it's important to include information regarding the leveling/gearing-up of the character or not. I'm leaning towards it not being important. Anyway, on topic, Baldur's gate 2 is my favorite game that could pass as an RPG. Overall though, PC/video games tend to not have much RP aspects to them unless it's just a kinda a sandbox MMO. BG2 definitely isn't a high RP content game, but I would say it's the best that has at least minimum RP content. For most RP games I'd have to go with MMOs like Entropia Universe, Second Life, Planeshift (free), not that it's a complete list, but includes the more popular ones. Your an idiot. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
And yeah, Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross were really magical. For some reason, I don't really like playing JRPGs these days, I beat FF13 (blegh,) Star Ocean 4 (BLERG,) and Lost Odyssey (less blegh) but really had to force myself to finish them. | ||
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braammbolius
179 Posts
On March 02 2011 22:03 plated.rawr wrote: No, I'm describing the character progression elements, while you make a sweeping generalization of gameplay mechanics. Two widely different elements. My point is that a set of mechanics and character progression without telling a story isn't an RPG, it's a dungeon crawler. Computer or no. Edit: It's obv debatable what would/should/could qualify as a "story" but you get my drift. | ||
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plated.rawr
Norway1676 Posts
On March 03 2011 11:44 braammbolius wrote: My point is that a set of mechanics and character progression without telling a story isn't an RPG, it's a dungeon crawler. Computer or no. Edit: It's obv debatable what would/should/could qualify as a "story" but you get my drift. I disagree. Console and computer-based RPGs stem from pen and paper tradition, but limitations and coding focus with the electronic gaming platforms obviously makes humanized elements such as story adaptation and spontanity very difficult to simulate. Therefore, while electronic RPGs do have a tradition of a strong story to carry the player's interest, the most unmodified element brought from pen and paper has been the gameplay mechanics - combat systems, leveling systems, stat systems and so on. "Dungeon crawler" as genre is more a child of electronic RPG, and as thus cannot supercede RPG as a category. A game can be a RPG dungeon crawler, but not a dungeon crawler without at the same time being a RPG due to the mechanics it borrows from the pen and paper tradition. And, If I'm not mistaken, the entire "dungeon crawler" genre was not made untill there had been at least some successful RPG adaptations from pen and paper to electronic format. | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On March 03 2011 07:12 LolnoobInsanity wrote: Apart from DnD, I don't think any of the games mentioned in this thread are actually roleplaying games. But for the best roleplaying experience, all you really need is some weed, some friends, and a sense of adventure. Ah how I miss the days of "playing pretend." And no, I won't grow up. so Why do you think Ultima IV isn't a roleplaying game? | ||
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Rotodyne
United States2263 Posts
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Juddas
768 Posts
same thing with Pokemon but really FE, FESS, FE path of radiance, radiant dawn, shadow dragon i guess(meh) are all really awesome games and there is nothing better than a weekend speed run on a good rom at x4 speed | ||
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curreh
Australia265 Posts
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
On March 03 2011 12:58 curreh wrote: Great thread, thanks for all the suggestions I've been wanting to play some rpg's lately : ) I really enjoyed stuff like FF9, Final fantasy tactics advance, Fire emblem on the gba, could anybody suggest something that i might thoroughly enjoy? :D the new Tactics Ogre game for PSP seems right up your alley Probably Golden Sun/Lost age as well and if you're a superhardcore FE fan, try playing ChinaFE also lol@4x rom runs, those have almost starcraft levels of apm, cept pokemon, where i have play at 1000% + just to prevent falling sleep | ||
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Juddas
768 Posts
On March 03 2011 12:58 curreh wrote: Great thread, thanks for all the suggestions I've been wanting to play some rpg's lately : ) I really enjoyed stuff like FF9, Final fantasy tactics advance, Fire emblem on the gba, could anybody suggest something that i might thoroughly enjoy? :D any of the fire emblem series especially the japanese ones if you can understand them. i realllly like sacred stones tpp | ||
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curreh
Australia265 Posts
ahaha I know i can't play pokemon anymore at normal speed, without holding that spacebar for the vba it's just not the same lol I loved sacred stones! I think I played the first one, just plain fire emblem and never finished it because i sucked at it, but I loved the hell out of sacred stones, what are the best fire emblem games? | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
-ridiculously difficult gameplay -many awesome characters from various FEs -3rd classes for certain characters -lots more win but basically its unplayable for normal people who aren't insane as far as the rest goes, they're all pretty much the same gameplay wise, but i guess radiant dawn does a few new things that are pretty cool | ||
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Juddas
768 Posts
speaking of which, Ewan from SS was the most broken unit ever. just putting that out there. especially if you chose supertrainee. that is my most missed mechanic though, the ability to choose which class you promoted too. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
For action RPG, obviously Diablo series. | ||
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Maynarde
Australia1286 Posts
Currently playing Chrono Trigger on my DS. Loving it. | ||
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Azar
Colombia66 Posts
AND definitely Super Mario RPG: Legend of the 7 Stars Good times... | ||
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braammbolius
179 Posts
On March 03 2011 12:41 plated.rawr wrote: I disagree. Console and computer-based RPGs stem from pen and paper tradition, but limitations and coding focus with the electronic gaming platforms obviously makes humanized elements such as story adaptation and spontanity very difficult to simulate. Therefore, while electronic RPGs do have a tradition of a strong story to carry the player's interest, the most unmodified element brought from pen and paper has been the gameplay mechanics - combat systems, leveling systems, stat systems and so on. "Dungeon crawler" as genre is more a child of electronic RPG, and as thus cannot supercede RPG as a category. A game can be a RPG dungeon crawler, but not a dungeon crawler without at the same time being a RPG due to the mechanics it borrows from the pen and paper tradition. And, If I'm not mistaken, the entire "dungeon crawler" genre was not made untill there had been at least some successful RPG adaptations from pen and paper to electronic format. Lmfao, but I have come to the conclusion some time ago that online discussions are a no-no. So I'll just leave it at that. also ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/57/Arcanum_cover_copy.jpg) | ||
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plated.rawr
Norway1676 Posts
On March 05 2011 03:07 braammbolius wrote: Lmfao, but I have come to the conclusion some time ago that online discussions are a no-no. So I'll just leave it at that. also What's the cover of a 2001 steampunk rpg supposed to exemplify? The RPG genre within video games had been active for over 15 years when that was released, so that's hardly a refuting point to anything I've said. Also, instead of doing the "lolo u guis sux, u not wort resposnss", tell me instead where I'm wrong and back it up properly. Edit: unless, of course, your image was meant as a very late and unstructured answer to the thread even though you quoted my post and thus seemingly made it in response to that. | ||
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
Most underrated RPGs? My Top 10 RPGs of All Time (blog) Your favorite RPG (PC)? RPGs? (blog) The best RPG ever? RPG recommendations Favorite RPG game And of course the general RPG search results on TL. And that wasn't enough and we desperately needed yet another thread? | ||
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plated.rawr
Norway1676 Posts
On March 05 2011 03:20 Shockk wrote: Recommend some good RPG games Most underrated RPGs? My Top 10 RPGs of All Time (blog) Your favorite RPG (PC)? RPGs? (blog) The best RPG ever? RPG recommendations Favorite RPG game And of course the general RPG search results on TL. And that wasn't enough and we desperately needed yet another thread? If you had read the OP, you'd realise that he asked for roleplaying elements, not RPG mechanics, which is what the other threads mainly focuses on. Don't worry though, nearly nobody else in this thread read the OP either. | ||
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
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LoLAdriankat
United States4307 Posts
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
On March 05 2011 03:33 plated.rawr wrote: If you had read the OP, you'd realise that he asked for roleplaying elements, not RPG mechanics, which is what the other threads mainly focuses on. Don't worry though, nearly nobody else in this thread read the OP either. Get off your high horse. Asking about RPGs and explicitely excluding dungeon crawlers or action-RPGs doesn't warrant creating yet another RPG thread when this board is littered with them already. Especially if the OP doesn't look like too much effort was put into it or the search function was used. This will turn into yet another 50-150 post long thread of people listing BG2, Planescape Torment, debating whether Mass Effect and FF are RPGs, and some console gamers will name some RPGs everyone else has never heard of. If the OP had been of decent quality, had included a nice introduction and maybe a notice that the author was aware of the other threads but of the opinion that a new one was indeed neccessary (and specified why exactly this was the case) - I'd gladly have participated in a constructive discussion since I love the genre. All we have here, however, is just one more "list your favorite RPG" thread with a tad of flavor to it which will vanish on page 2 in a matter of days (at best). | ||
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plated.rawr
Norway1676 Posts
On March 05 2011 05:48 Shockk wrote: Get off your high horse. Asking about RPGs and explicitely excluding dungeon crawlers or action-RPGs doesn't warrant creating yet another RPG thread when this board is littered with them already. Especially if the OP doesn't look like too much effort was put into it or the search function was used. This will turn into yet another 50-150 post long thread of people listing BG2, Planescape Torment, debating whether Mass Effect and FF are RPGs, and some console gamers will name some RPGs everyone else has never heard of. If the OP had been of decent quality, had included a nice introduction and maybe a notice that the author was aware of the other threads but of the opinion that a new one was indeed neccessary (and specified why exactly this was the case) - I'd gladly have participated in a constructive discussion since I love the genre. All we have here, however, is just one more "list your favorite RPG" thread with a tad of flavor to it which will vanish on page 2 in a matter of days (at best). I agree very much with your second paragraph. If the OP had put more effort into the thread then yes, it might have developed more along the lines of what he intended, and really, he SHOULD have put more effort into it if he wanted it to develop properly. Considering he hasn't even posted in the thread since he made it as far as I can recall though, that shows you some of the effort put into it and interest in it. If you read this thread though, it's pretty obvious people only read the title and went "oh, another RPG thread - time to see if others like the same RPGs I like" instead of actually reading what the OP wrote, and as thus, a better OP would probably still yield the same result with the title. I won't bother answering the ad hominem. I will answer the point you make though, which is what makes it different from the other threads and what gives it its right to live. As stated in the thread, it's exactly the roleplaying elements that this thread was about, not simply basic RPG mechanics, which there are over half a dozen threads for already, as you've shown. That's what gives this thread its "right" of existance with the others here, as it touches a completely different aspect of the game than the others do. | ||
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
On March 05 2011 06:23 Shockk wrote: I think it's fine that he made a separate topic, it's just not well-enough described or topic-named.You implied I didn't read the OP and I wanted you to get off your horse. I think we're even on ad hominems, and can agree on the OP lacking effort. Alright ?You're making the wrong point, it should be a better quality post, not no topic post at all. The main fault here are the dumbos who aren't reading the OP, who are turning this into a everyday fake RPG topic. That said, I suppose you could be addressing those people instead of the OP (you didn't specify) I only noticed 1 other topic regarding RP video/PC gaming, and it was more about RP in general. | ||
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braammbolius
179 Posts
On March 05 2011 03:13 plated.rawr wrote: What's the cover of a 2001 steampunk rpg supposed to exemplify? The RPG genre within video games had been active for over 15 years when that was released, so that's hardly a refuting point to anything I've said. Also, instead of doing the "lolo u guis sux, u not wort resposnss", tell me instead where I'm wrong and back it up properly. Edit: unless, of course, your image was meant as a very late and unstructured answer to the thread even though you quoted my post and thus seemingly made it in response to that. Wow, you are really something else lol. Also ![[image loading]](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_AUsrO8yKRc8/TOcbspVdLsI/AAAAAAAAADg/rbfjfSstdCs/s1600/box_full.jpg) Does anyone know if this is any good ? Haven't given it a try yet, afraid of dissapointment . | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
otherwise i say MASS EFFECT 1 & 2 because the own ^^ | ||
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Corvi
Germany1406 Posts
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BeJe77
United States377 Posts
KOTOR1/2 (reminds me i need replay them )Dragon Age Jade Empire Oblivion I'll prob start playing some of the older RPG's like Bauldar Gates series/tormentum/ etc etc when i get more time....was already difficult completing the ones I mentioned due to lack of time... I like the premise of Obliviion, you can make it first person and just go out and explore...more RPG's need to be like this (but with better story and few mechanics | ||
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
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