On April 29 2011 14:16 Curu wrote: WHAT JULIO JONES?
As a Falcons fan, I did NOT see this coming. Still, can't say I'm too bothered about it since our other starting WR, Michael Jenkins, is the only WR in NFL history to start 3+ seasons and have ZERO 100 yard games.
Seemed like an awful lot to give up though. Dimitroff must be very confident we're going to be picking in the high twenties or thirties every year.
On April 29 2011 10:08 Skyze wrote: as a Falcons fan.. very dissapointed.
We could of got a great DE at 27, and a good WR in the 2nd (titus young).. instead we mortgaged our future for a WR who cant even catch.
sigh. this is why they will never get back to the superbowl. Horrible coaches and stupid decisions when things are starting to look good. Its painful, getting SO close to a superbowl then fucking it up.
What coach is horrible? Mike Smith's been doing an astounding job. Him and Thomas Dimitroff have been the REASON things are starting to look good. Get out of here with this overreaction bullshit. What DE could we have taken at 27? Heyward or Bowers? I don't see Heyward being an instant impact and probably won't overtake Biermann/Sidbury any time soon, and there's obviously something very off about Bowers's health for him to fall from potential #1 overall pick to not even a first rounder. It looks like we gave up a lot, but so long as we go into the playoffs each year it's giving up a very late first rounder, a very late second rounder, and a pair of fourths to move up 21 spots.
Yes I would have liked to see an elite DE, but there really aren't any in this year's draft even were we to trade up.
With the amount of talent we have on offense (Ryan/White/Gonzalez/Turner) it's clear that something was wrong with the passing game last year. It was decent but nowhere near the level it should have been on. Hopefully Julio Jones solves that.
Umm.. do you watch falcons games? They have the worst playcalling coordinators in the league. Great talent, hell superbowl winning talent, but cant call plays at all. Mularkey and Brian Van Gorder, until they are fired, Falcons wont make it past the first round of the playoffs
This sport is ALL about coaching, it doesnt matter if you have the best player in the league, you wont win without the best coach. Its not like the NBA where Lebron can take the Cavs to the NBA finals. Theres a reason its always the Patriots, Steelers and Colts at the end of the season, despite the team changing so drastically (patriots are best example)..
Coaching = the actual coaches.. Mike Smith may give the press conferences and oversee the operation but he doesnt call the plays, because a Smith led Jaguar D is 100x better than a BVG led Falcons D. Mike Smith is just the 2008 example of Jim Mora Jr, a decent head coach who will be fired in afew years because he didnt have the balls to fire his horrible coordinators because they are friends (Remember Knapp and Donatell? ugh.)
The Defense is what needs work on this team (outside of firing Mularkey so they open up the "explosive" plays.. Julio cant change the playcalls, therefor his "explosiveness" is useless).. so a top DE is needed. Better to stay at 27 or move in the 10-20s to pick a top DE, any of them is better than what they gave up for a position that isnt even really needed..
Meier is gonna be a beast, and Jenkins is a solid #2 if you actually watch the games and see what he does. Bears would of beat the Falcons in 2008 without Jenkins, and tons of other bigtime plays Jenkins makes. HD is still doing solid too, keep in mind he came off major surgery thats why he was slow to catch up but he was doing good near the end of the season, despite Mularkey calling horrible routes for the whole WR corps. the WR's were good enough, its the Defense that gave up 40 to the Packers and made the Falcons lose in the playoffs.
On April 29 2011 16:11 SEANSYE wrote: Wow, I use to get into the draft a lot, but my Raiders weren't picking in the first round this year, especially the top 10 so i had no clue who the best players were.
Any Raiders fans know who we should draft in the second round? From last season, I thought our biggest weakness was Wide Receiver, but I really hate Jason Campell. We're prob. ganna get a CB to replace Nnamdi.
some CB's around;
- brandon harris - aaron williams - ras-i dowling - davon house
i don't know what was the worser move of the night, titans/vikings reaching so badly for locker/ponder, or atlanta blowing 6 picks on jones. if it was aj green, it would have been acceptable, but jones isn't.
On April 29 2011 20:31 sixfour wrote: if i was a saints fan i'd be mad right now, trading up to take ingram AND losing next years first round pick? you would think they would learn:
- don't trade with the pats - after the success of ivory as a UFA that taking rb's early is really fucking stupid
i can only guess that bush AND thomas are both completely done
also lol falcons, lol bungles, lol panthers, lol vikings, lol titans, lol ravens, lol 49ers, i'm sure i'm missing someone out here
Someone should have sent that memo to the Vikings. The Moss-trade, oh God.
Could have been great but it ended up being just tragic. 1 pick wasted.
As a Saints/Alabama fan I am absolutely thrilled about this draft day. I love that we got Cameron Jordan where we did which really helps with our abysmal pass rush and now we can drop Reggie Bush's enormously overpaid contract and bring in Ingram. Seeing my favorite college player find his way onto my favorite NFL team has gotta be a pretty rare occurrence for fans but it definitely feels great, I just hope it executes great. Sean Payton is arguably the best offensive head coach around and I fully believe he can turn the QB/RB combo of Brees/Ingram into a real offensive beast.
On April 29 2011 14:55 SuitGuy wrote: Yea, I really like the move by cleveland. I think it was awesome. Though constantly moving down can fail (though some think it never does).
Letting someone trade you a mess of draft picks for one player has worked out great for the team receiving a mess of picks in recent history.
For reference please see: Cowboys, Dalls - Let Minnisota trade them a mess of picks (6) for Herschel Walker. Dallas used those picks to get Emmitt Smith, Russell Maryland, Kevin Smith, and Darren Woodson of note.
Redskins, Washington: Mike Ditka traded his 1999 draft picks (and his 2000 1st rounder) to get Ricky Williams. The Redskins used those picks to get Champ Bailey, Jon Jansen and LaVar Arrington amoung others.
So I think Cleveland is in a great spot right now with their mess of picks from Atlanta.
On April 29 2011 20:31 sixfour wrote: if i was a saints fan i'd be mad right now, trading up to take ingram AND losing next years first round pick? you would think they would learn:
Jordan was steal at his spot and Ingram will be a great back in the NFL. After having to use a roation of like 90000 RBs the past seasons this will give them some stability. I think Bush is gone but some of the other backs have a great shot at being part of a 2 back system.
On April 29 2011 22:49 sixfour wrote: Jordan was a steal, yes. Ingram I don't like for reasons stated above, Bucs have easily had the best draft in that division
I think the Buccs are gonna dominate the NFC south within 3-5 years with the way the Falcons and Saints are kind of weakening their future drafts, but since it's going to all be about Saints vs Falcons in the NFC South for the next couple of years they're trying to get impact players right now. This Saints team is gonna go as long as Drew Brees can carry it and that's not gonna be much more than 5 years anyhow, might as well go for a superbowl run with these drafts and see if you can get lucky and build a dynasty!
But yeah, the Buccs are gonna be amazing in the future.
On April 29 2011 13:44 Zlasher wrote: My niners are retarded.
This kid better be the second coming of mario williams, except he's smaller.
I know nothing to make of the decision since I really don't know who the guy is. Seems like we drafted manny lawson's replacement, hopefully he'll be better (which is hard not to do).
yeah this was the goal in drafting Smith
Do very few college teams run a true 3-4 or something?? I don't understand why we draft so many DEs and try turning them into OLBs
Yes, they gave up an arm and a leg to get Jones, but this reminds me of another time a young stud receiver came onto a talented set up offense.
Randy Moss joined Cris Carter, Robert Smith, and Randall Cunningham. James Jones is joining Roddy White, Michael Turner, Matt Ryan and Tony Gonzalez.
I think this will be considered one of the better trades for years to come, as Jones has huge upside and will not be game planned against heavily in this offense
what the fuck were my niners thinking? They could of traded down that pick and still got Aldon Smith later in the draft. Gabbert, Locker were still fuckin available. Harbaughs Ego got in the way this time thinking he can coach up alice smith. Does he not know this jackass got the two previous coaches fired?? Nothing but fucking ass clowns running this organization.
On April 29 2011 23:38 Durp wrote: I love the Atlanta trade.
Yes, they gave up an arm and a leg to get Jones, but this reminds me of another time a young stud receiver came onto a talented set up offense.
Randy Moss joined Cris Carter, Robert Smith, and Randall Cunningham. Julio Jones is joining Roddy White, Michael Turner, Matt Ryan and Tony Gonzalez.
I think this will be considered one of the better trades for years to come, as Jones has huge upside and will not be game planned against heavily in this offense
Julio Jones is in no way comparable to Moss. The dude has got shit hands for a WR. He had a lot of potential and can pan out into something, but unless he turns into a Fitzgerald type player like someone said, it's a huge, huge, huge overpayment
On April 29 2011 13:44 Zlasher wrote: My niners are retarded.
This kid better be the second coming of mario williams, except he's smaller.
I know nothing to make of the decision since I really don't know who the guy is. Seems like we drafted manny lawson's replacement, hopefully he'll be better (which is hard not to do).
yeah this was the goal in drafting Smith
Do very few college teams run a true 3-4 or something?? I don't understand why we draft so many DEs and try turning them into OLBs
Not many programs run a 3-4 in college to my knowledge. I am sure it is due to a number of reasons. If I were to guess, I think it may stem from the size (with speed) differences between the NFL and college.
I think this difference is really seen in the size of the offensive lines who remain jsut as quick if not quicker than their college counterparts. Comapre the Dallas Cowboys to Virginia Tech / LSU.
So in college you can get away with a 250/260 lb pass rushing DE. Put that same DE in the NFL and he gets mauled (with a few exceptions). Not to mention they often become a large liability in the run game (See Jason Taylor for the Redskins). So they are converted to OLBs where they can still use their speed on outside pass rushing on pass downs without becomeing the liability on rushing downs.
ari: A, peterson close to bpa there, fills big need atl: C-, really really really hate giving up way too much to take a WR bal: B, lol timing out, smith solid though buf: A, dareus bpa, didn't pull trigger on rookie qb which can be filled next round if they want car: D, lol newton chi: A, carimi is a steal and should hopefully stop cutlahhhhh being continually sacked cin: B, green is a can't miss player but can't help but feel that atl would have offered them a similar package to what they offered cleveland, if so, lol bungles cle: A+++++, lol falcons, don't much like trading back up to take taylor though, seems a waste dal: B+, took exactly who they should have but trading out would have been much better den: A-, not sure how miller really works with their system, from a value perspective it's fine det: A-, fairley/suh combination is going to be absurd, but quinn or amukamara would have been my pick gb: A-, sherrod solid but standard pick hou: B, could surely trade out of there for watt who i don't think was the best player at that position left ind: B+, can't argue with taking a solid OT in the first jax: B-, gabbert there is fine, but i don't get it when they still have garrard and a lot of other needs, gave up too much in the trade iyam kc: B, needed a WR, got one, nice work on the trade as well mia: B+, pouncey should supplement what's becoming one of the better o-lines in the league min: D-, LOL PONDER ne: A-, think they could have traded down and still got solder but i won't question belichick, nice rape job on the saints nyg: A, amukamara dropping to them is ridiculous and a perfect pick nyj: B, wilkerson fine, probably deserves higher but jets can't get above a B for drafting on general principle no: C+, jordan a super super steal but then spoil things by letting the pats rape you to trade up for a running back oak: A+++, al davis doesn't do anything stupid phi: B-, taking guard doesn't excite me pit: B-, don't understand why they passed on sherrod sd: B-, odd pick and going de/cb would have been a lot better sea: C, carpenter wat sf: C+, trade down ffs, smith isn't worth the seventh pick stl: B+, quinn is a really good value pickup and will complement long tb: B, don't know much about clayborn but boosting pass rush is good ten: D, LOL LOCKAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH was: B-, would have just taken gabbert, making a good trade and making solid value pick is fine but i don't know how kerrigan and orapko can coexist
On April 30 2011 00:00 Hawk wrote: Julio Jones is in no way comparable to Moss. The dude has got shit hands for a WR. He had a lot of potential and can pan out into something, but unless he turns into a Fitzgerald type player like someone said, it's a huge, huge, huge overpayment
Ingram I think will be a very good pro.
Kind of hard to say a receiver has bad hands when he makes Greg Mcelroy look good. He was catching shitty passes his entire college career and still came out as a first round receiver.
Also holy crap at people saying NE raped the Saints. The saints have a massive need in both the pass rush and at running back (we had absolutely abysmal stats in the running game last year). With that trade we got an excellent running back and the ability to free up our budget by being able to get rid of Reggie Bush, which is a huge deal going into free agency.
I know we traded a first rounder, but with this team it's gonna be a really late, playoff team first rounder, so we at most got fleeced for a 2nd rounder for "value" but we shored up a huge issue in our organization.
Also holy crap at people saying NE raped the Saints. The saints have a massive need in both the pass rush and at running back (we had absolutely abysmal stats in the running game last year).
what stats? if it's in terms of yards, that's a function of brees throwing it more than anyone not called peyton. if it's in terms of ypc, 4.0 is fine.
sure, you could use an extra back, but pick one up later in the draft, ingram is wasted on your team. you only run it about 25 times a game anyway, give ivory ~15 of them, fill out the remainder of them with pierre thomas if he's back fit (which he wasn't all last season hence his lol 3.2 ypc) or random free agent/fourth or later round pick. works fine and you can still cut bush.
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