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On June 27 2012 20:10 Divine-Sneaker wrote:
Noone's to say you can't have both :D
As long as you're comfortable knowing you can routinely outperform the majority of pubbies out there, you're fine to use whatever fucked up combo you like. It's nothing new to me at all. What I don't condone is the high amount of people I encounter who constantly try pulling off fancy shit that's way out of their reach, to the detriment of the dozen other people on their team.
The 'No-Scope'-crowd is usually free kills for easy points :D
EDIT: Horrible lag :/
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pc is lagging like hell today. dice says their working on a fix right now
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On June 27 2012 06:03 askTeivospy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 05:56 Infernal_dream wrote:On June 27 2012 02:52 Tennet wrote:On June 27 2012 02:20 Rob28 wrote:On June 26 2012 23:29 Tennet wrote:
Moving your mouse > vertical recoil. Use Hbar with AEK. Not having to move your mouse as much means more time on target. Use Flash Supressor with AEK, The point of moving your mouse to counter recoil is to stay on target.. It isn't hard at all to move your mouse to counter recoil while following a moving target when you fire your gun properly. Would you rather have tighter spread or less vertical recoil? Heavy Barrel not only tightens a gun's spread, it also increases its deadliness at range.The flash suppressor only reduces vertical recoil.. Both of you guys could argue until you've used every word in the english language and neither of you will change your opinion. Every likes different guns with different attachments. Tired of this "the stats say this gun is the best so end of discussion." Not everyone plays the game the same so they'll use different stuff. Hence why people here are saying try the guns until you find one you like. I couldn't care less about the stats of a gun, if I do good with it i'm gonna use it. This is true but he has point recoil can be controlled, spread can't because its random. Because of that you should look to reduce your spread as much as possible and just learn to handle recoil. It is mostly just personal preference tho for a lot of statistics on guns i agree for sure though
You guys say "spread" like it's another word for "gun cancer". Let me lay something down for you: the AEK is a close to midrange gun. Your target will be taking up a good bit more of your screen size, so even with spread it's an easy hit. You know what else has spread? Shotguns. You know what everyone agrees is great in closer fights? Shotguns. Why? Spread... a little bullet deviation isn't a horrible thing if you're up close. It makes hitting moving targets easy as shit too, because the bullets fill a bit of an area, rather than a single point on the screen.
Source: Over 70 hrs playtime with AEK, top 1% globally skill-wise with it. I rank higher on the global leaderboards than XFactor as well, if that means I'm qualified to question his knowledge of the AEK.
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Honestly, I'd rather trust my own ability to aim than my ability to combine my own inevitable failure with something horribly inconsistent.
Having as little spread as possible means you're not fighting like a cripple against an athlete when suddenly you find yourself having to shoot more than 20 feet. It's the versatility more than anything, at least for me, that decides whether something is worth using and with what combination of modifications. If it's shit at any particular thing, to me it's a shit weapon.
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On June 27 2012 20:28 Ubikuuu! wrote:
High vertical recoil + high horizontal recoil + high rate of fire = definition of hard to use gun.
Also, to the previous response, V recoil you can control, higher damage/distance and better ads precision only Hbarrel can give you (of course it makes the gun even harder to use).
At my skill level (mediocre) I too perform better with the m16, but AEK is way funnier to use for me, and I feel it has highest "potential" in the mid-longish range too, given the skill to handle it.
On xfactor: he bullshit sometimes and makes mistakes, that's true, but you can't say he doesn't know the game, nor that his guide on the AEK I linked is incorrect.
PTFO = play the f@#king objective.
It's not a hard to use gun when you're up close and hold down the trigger. Different guns require different playstyles, and the AEK excels in CQB, which is why you would try to get up close and use that RPM to kill. If you're telling me that a newbie would have an easier time with aiming and firing at a slower RPM than spray and pray with high RPM weapons, then you can see why the FAMAS has changed with the nerfs to the weapon and the foregrip itself. Even the AEK changed with the spread increase, in return for a controllable recoil (foregrip nerf applies here as well). The proposed new patch with the M16A3/M4A1 with the recoil increase is due to the spray and pray ability of those weapons combined with the easily controllable recoil.
I consider myself to be low-skill because I don't have the patience to wait and peek, then pick off people. I'd rather play the get-in-your-face style with flanking which leads to more action. Plus, I know that I don't have the best aiming abilities compared to some other players at range, so this style of gameplay is how I compensate.
Oh, so that's what PTFO means. While the quote is good, there will be exceptions to where PTFO doesn't apply. I always thought it meant Play The F*** Out in reference to those who teamstack and don't quit while losing.
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Yeah, by hard to use I meant in the mid range and farther,
The "hard" part is trying to exploit that high rof to get fast kills in the mid ranges.
And yes I would consider the FAMAS (as it is now) a very hard gun to use, even considering its ridicolously short time-to-kill in cqc;
sadly the famas is hard and bad (low ammo, high reload time, high spread). The AEK is hard and good.
Also agree that m16 and m4 are too dominant especially for the low recoil (and thus easy to use, see?).
Also, to Rob28:
Shotguns aren't good in CQ because of spread, they are good because they are scatter guns (or because they shot a 100 dmg bullet  ).
Spread IS always bad.
I will concede that in some circumstances it indeed becomes irrelevant.
Will definetly try AEK with foregrip+flash suppressor tho.
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I'd contend that the reason that most players use the M16A3/M4A1 is due to having the best RPM/recoil. No other gun comes close with the less amount of recoil (controllable recoil which is even better) and RPM, with the same damage as almost all the other ARs. Lately, those 2 guns are the guns I get killed by in CQB; I usually just say the weapon in frustration with my friends (in turn they say it too).
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the most competitive setups in BF3 is the KOBRA and HB on the M16A3/M4A1 for the Assault/Engineer classes, with the occasional AEK/AN-94/L85A1/G3.
I went to play the FAMAS a while ago while trying to go for the mastery dogtag. Even then, I had to drop the suppressor (which I normally use on all the weapons) for a laser sight and foregrip. The combat was silly in the fact that the long reload time hampers your CQB ability, and you're only able to take on 2 people before your clip runs out.
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I don't get why people complain about guns in this game (except the bugged ones, of course). It's like saying "waah this guy is using marines fuck you noob". There's always going to be a best gun, so people will always tryhard and use it. And it's not like the option to use it is unavailable to you :/
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On June 28 2012 01:27 greggy wrote:
I don't get why people complain about guns in this game (except the bugged ones, of course). It's like saying "waah this guy is using marines fuck you noob". There's always going to be a best gun, so people will always tryhard and use it. And it's not like the option to use it is unavailable to you :/
Alot of people just like to whine. so they use the weaker guns and complain about people using the overpowered guns. I'm not saying imbalances aren't problems though.
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On June 27 2012 22:34 Rob28 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 06:03 askTeivospy wrote:On June 27 2012 05:56 Infernal_dream wrote:On June 27 2012 02:52 Tennet wrote:On June 27 2012 02:20 Rob28 wrote:On June 26 2012 23:29 Tennet wrote:
Moving your mouse > vertical recoil. Use Hbar with AEK. Not having to move your mouse as much means more time on target. Use Flash Supressor with AEK, The point of moving your mouse to counter recoil is to stay on target.. It isn't hard at all to move your mouse to counter recoil while following a moving target when you fire your gun properly. Would you rather have tighter spread or less vertical recoil? Heavy Barrel not only tightens a gun's spread, it also increases its deadliness at range.The flash suppressor only reduces vertical recoil.. Both of you guys could argue until you've used every word in the english language and neither of you will change your opinion. Every likes different guns with different attachments. Tired of this "the stats say this gun is the best so end of discussion." Not everyone plays the game the same so they'll use different stuff. Hence why people here are saying try the guns until you find one you like. I couldn't care less about the stats of a gun, if I do good with it i'm gonna use it. This is true but he has point recoil can be controlled, spread can't because its random. Because of that you should look to reduce your spread as much as possible and just learn to handle recoil. It is mostly just personal preference tho for a lot of statistics on guns i agree for sure though You guys say "spread" like it's another word for "gun cancer". Let me lay something down for you: the AEK is a close to midrange gun. Your target will be taking up a good bit more of your screen size, so even with spread it's an easy hit. You know what else has spread? Shotguns. You know what everyone agrees is great in closer fights? Shotguns. Why? Spread... a little bullet deviation isn't a horrible thing if you're up close. It makes hitting moving targets easy as shit too, because the bullets fill a bit of an area, rather than a single point on the screen. Source: Over 70 hrs playtime with AEK, top 1% globally skill-wise with it. I rank higher on the global leaderboards than XFactor as well, if that means I'm qualified to question his knowledge of the AEK.
Nah I see what you're saying and agree with you since the slight spread on jet cannon gave it a "splash damage" effect, although thats because the cannon has 2000 RPM so I don't feel it as much as I do with small arms
I think its just a personal thing though, for small arms I'd rather reduce spread as much as I can. for AEK though I'll try out your way since it makes sense since gun isn't suited for long range, but I think I'll prefer the way I shoot just because I've always played like that, but /shrug who knows always good to try different things
also i've watched some of xfactor's youtube videos and imo he just posts a ton of dumb ideas / things that are obvious to me at least. Still I just think he's marketing like most other FPS youtubers (not Patcheee, patcheee best)
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I dont care about any of those guns really. Been using the 870MCS exclusively for a while now and Im not planning to change anytime soon. That shotty is a frikking beast!
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Holy shit I tried out AEK just now and it's fucking awesome.. took me a bit to unlock kobra/foregrip/hb but already on 1 service star and going up. It's surprisingly good at high range which I did not expect from such a high RPM weapon.
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Finally hit Rank 40 last night. I don't really play enough lol.
Looking forward to running around with the P90. Heard a lot of good things about that PDW.
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On June 28 2012 16:02 rebdomine wrote:
Finally hit Rank 40 last night. I don't really play enough lol.
Looking forward to running around with the P90. Heard a lot of good things about that PDW.
best gun in the game IMO. after i got all the guns, it was the one i eventually settled with as my main gun. it performs beautifully.
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Usually I just bitch about something, which in reality is highly likely to be caused by lag or terrible netcoding. It'll make impossible situations happen in every single fight. Nothing makes me more pissed than getting screwed over by suppression or random spread chance, but it certainly comes close when you suddenly appear to get 1shot by something which in no conceivable way could ever perform an OHK.
Also, 34 damage LMG's piss me off. Way too good in cqc. Now that's actual whining about gun balancing.
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Reading through alot of the debate about guns and figured this might be a good opportunity for one of the channels I support on youtube, he's a new commentator that's landed a few good commentaries from recchhy and whatnot and will be looking into debates such as these and I think he'd do a good job at walking into each debate non-biased check him out and send him your queries
http://www.youtube.com/voicelessfury
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On June 29 2012 20:51 BF3Cayin wrote:Reading through alot of the debate about guns and figured this might be a good opportunity for one of the channels I support on youtube, he's a new commentator that's landed a few good commentaries from recchhy and whatnot and will be looking into debates such as these and I think he'd do a good job at walking into each debate non-biased check him out and send him your queries http://www.youtube.com/voicelessfury
You play the youtube-game nicely sir. I'll give him a shot.
gz on 100 colonel and I hope we see more jets getting shot down by your tank in the future.
Been playing recon bolt-action almost exclusivly this week. Grinded out the unlocks for the JNG-90 and fell in love with the 93R. 93R is nothing short of a beast, the JNG-90, not as beast imo D: . Playing with bolt-action instead of automatic weapons feels to me almost as big of a jump as from infantry to vehicles. You have to play the game very differently, love it! This game is very diverce  . My prefered scope is the ACOG because lack of scope-glint and no sway. If I need larger magnification then imo I'm just too far away from the action.
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Oh yes I prefer using acog for my sniping and did a direction for that hazardous movie focusing on more destruction / things you don't see everyday feats and that shot with the jng was prolly my 3rd shot with it, BONUS! Thanks for the grats on the 100, it seemed fitting ot be the ending cause I was using my trusty sidekick - C4 XD
I'm putting together a Cayin V Air montage atm to all new footage, rockets/snipers/tanks/c4/anything I can get my hands down to make it a No Fly Zone
On the topic of voicelessfury he's a new but in alot of peoples eyes already definently an up and coming commentator
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the PSO 4x is better than the ACOG in my oppinion because it doesent have the super annoying glowing stuff in the reticule.
that the 93r is overpowered is nothing new really , but ive been falling in love with the M412rex lately.
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