On June 26 2012 19:03 greggy wrote: Isn't M416 like THE worst gun in the game, statistically? At least that's what I remember reading. Anyway, whenever I used it I just thought "why am I doing this, m16 is just better". So now I use m16 and m4 almost exclusively, with some A91 and AN94 thrown in sometimes for laughs.
Also, am I doing it wrong or is SMAW/RPG useless on larger maps after unlocking the javelin (and even before that, since even stinger will be of more use probably). I've not used it literally once on caspian/kharg/firestorm since getting my stinger and then the javelin.
And also, I don't own B2K. Premium - yay or nay? I'm on xbox.
On June 26 2012 19:03 greggy wrote: Isn't M416 like THE worst gun in the game, statistically? At least that's what I remember reading. Anyway, whenever I used it I just thought "why am I doing this, m16 is just better". So now I use m16 and m4 almost exclusively, with some A91 and AN94 thrown in sometimes for laughs.
Also, am I doing it wrong or is SMAW/RPG useless on larger maps after unlocking the javelin (and even before that, since even stinger will be of more use probably). I've not used it literally once on caspian/kharg/firestorm since getting my stinger and then the javelin.
And also, I don't own B2K. Premium - yay or nay? I'm on xbox.
If you want a great and hard to use gun, try and master the AEK (foregrip and heavy barrel): it kicks like crazy, but can pull great kills at mid to long range and vaporize people at close; takes time to master, and is way more "manly" than the m16. (tutorial on the AEK by one of the strongest player:
About the second paragraph: smoke. Any decent armor pilot will have it, completely nullifying Jav; with rpg, you hit, hes done, but of course it takes practice to hit moving or/and far away targets.
About premium: CQ maps and game modes are BAD, very bad. Weapons are fun but not that great. Only really good ones are: M417 (slightly better than the SKS) SPAS (slightly better than the 870) AUG (slightly better then the L85).
But it includes futures DLC so all in all is a (barely) acceptable deal.
On June 26 2012 19:03 greggy wrote: Isn't M416 like THE worst gun in the game, statistically? At least that's what I remember reading. Anyway, whenever I used it I just thought "why am I doing this, m16 is just better". So now I use m16 and m4 almost exclusively, with some A91 and AN94 thrown in sometimes for laughs.
Also, am I doing it wrong or is SMAW/RPG useless on larger maps after unlocking the javelin (and even before that, since even stinger will be of more use probably). I've not used it literally once on caspian/kharg/firestorm since getting my stinger and then the javelin.
And also, I don't own B2K. Premium - yay or nay? I'm on xbox.
If you want a great and hard to use gun, try and master the AEK (foregrip and heavy barrel): it kicks like crazy, but can pull great kills at mid to long range and vaporize people at close; takes time to master, and is way more "manly" than the m16. (tutorial on the AEK by one of the strongest player: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKA9udytwgo&feature=plcp)
About the second paragraph: smoke. Any decent armor pilot will have it, completely nullifying Jav; with rpg, you hit, hes done, but of course it takes practice to hit moving or/and far away targets.
About premium: CQ maps and game modes are BAD, very bad. Weapons are fun but not that great. Only really good ones are: M417 (slightly better than the SKS) SPAS (slightly better than the 870) AUG (slightly better then the L85).
But it includes futures DLC so all in all is a (barely) acceptable deal.
Re:rpg - true, but in most cases where you won't hit them with javelin you probably won't hit them with rpg either, and javelin provides very strong threats vs buggys and air (with designations). I've noticed that my javelins almost always hit choppers because the rockets seem to travel slower and the pilots flare too early. It may just be pub pilots though and I've been getting lucky. Thanks for the advice though!
On June 26 2012 19:03 greggy wrote: Isn't M416 like THE worst gun in the game, statistically? At least that's what I remember reading. Anyway, whenever I used it I just thought "why am I doing this, m16 is just better". So now I use m16 and m4 almost exclusively, with some A91 and AN94 thrown in sometimes for laughs.
Also, am I doing it wrong or is SMAW/RPG useless on larger maps after unlocking the javelin (and even before that, since even stinger will be of more use probably). I've not used it literally once on caspian/kharg/firestorm since getting my stinger and then the javelin.
And also, I don't own B2K. Premium - yay or nay? I'm on xbox.
If you want a great and hard to use gun, try and master the AEK (foregrip and heavy barrel): it kicks like crazy, but can pull great kills at mid to long range and vaporize people at close; takes time to master, and is way more "manly" than the m16. (tutorial on the AEK by one of the strongest player: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKA9udytwgo&feature=plcp)
About the second paragraph: smoke. Any decent armor pilot will have it, completely nullifying Jav; with rpg, you hit, hes done, but of course it takes practice to hit moving or/and far away targets.
About premium: CQ maps and game modes are BAD, very bad. Weapons are fun but not that great. Only really good ones are: M417 (slightly better than the SKS) SPAS (slightly better than the 870) AUG (slightly better then the L85).
But it includes futures DLC so all in all is a (barely) acceptable deal.
Maybe I'm just strange but the AEK is my most used and liked gun. I liked it the second I unlocked it and believe it's way better than any other assault class gun. Also didn't know it was such a "hard gun to master" as it came to me extremely easily.
On June 26 2012 19:03 greggy wrote: Also, am I doing it wrong or is SMAW/RPG useless on larger maps after unlocking the javelin (and even before that, since even stinger will be of more use probably). I've not used it literally once on caspian/kharg/firestorm since getting my stinger and then the javelin.
And also, I don't own B2K. Premium - yay or nay? I'm on xbox.
I've come to the conclusion that javelin is only worth it when you know there are designated targets out there. It takes too long to lock on in close or medium range. Long range you can force smoke and potentionally kill somehting around the vehicle. Learn the RPG/SMAW, much more versital. I use javelin on rush maps as defender.
If you want a great and hard to use gun, try and master the AEK (foregrip and heavy barrel): it kicks like crazy, but can pull great kills at mid to long range and vaporize people at close; takes time to master, and is way more "manly" than the m16. (tutorial on the AEK by one of the strongest player:
no no no , dont put a heavy barrel on the AEK , ive got 14.000 kills with it , trust me , flash suppressor + forgrip is the way to go. Oh , and dont trust youtubers too much , Levelcap gets most of his stats wrong (like stating that the M93r has 20 max damage when it does in fact have 25) and rivalxfactor doesent impress me too much either, most of his videos are extremly biased
Won't the bullet deviation on the AEK be horrific with Foregrip and no Heavy Barrel? It's already at 0.3 (50% more than the other assault rifles) and the Foregrip increases this further. At medium/long ranges you'd be hard pressed to get accurate shots I think. (that said, at close to medium ranges the recoil reduction will make it quite beastly)
On June 26 2012 21:43 Thezzy wrote: Won't the bullet deviation on the AEK be horrific with Foregrip and no Heavy Barrel? It's already at 0.3 (50% more than the other assault rifles) and the Foregrip increases this further. At medium/long ranges you'd be hard pressed to get accurate shots I think. (that said, at close to medium ranges the recoil reduction will make it quite beastly)
Heavy Barrel will increase your vertical recoil, which is a pain in the ass to manage in close quarters combat. You only want to use it if you plan on regularly engaging targets at 200+ meters away, which you really shouldn't do with the AEK anyway.
Flash Supressor keeps the vertical recoil down, which is good for keeping your bullet cluster on centre mass. Lowered vertical recoil from the flash suppressor, plus lower horizontal recoil from the foregrip means really accurate bullet groupings in shortrange to midrange bursts. There may be a few inches of bullet deviation from where your sights are aimed, but at that range odds are it's going to hit anyway.
If you want a great and hard to use gun, try and master the AEK (foregrip and heavy barrel): it kicks like crazy, but can pull great kills at mid to long range and vaporize people at close; takes time to master, and is way more "manly" than the m16. (tutorial on the AEK by one of the strongest player:
no no no , dont put a heavy barrel on the AEK , ive got 14.000 kills with it , trust me , flash suppressor + forgrip is the way to go. Oh , and dont trust youtubers too much , Levelcap gets most of his stats wrong (like stating that the M93r has 20 max damage when it does in fact have 25) and rivalxfactor doesent impress me too much either, most of his videos are extremly biased
The AEK isn't a hard to use gun at all, all you need to do is get close and point and shoot with the 900 RPM and drag down to the right. Flash Suppressor works fine, or even no attachment works great too (Both setups require foregrip since the gun has a lot of horizontal recoil). As to the suggesstion of why pick the M416, even though it's a bad all-around weapon, it's because he needs the first service star unlock, and the M416 is a gun that can be used in almost all types of engagements, as well as getting a feel for the RPMs of an average weapon.
The Youtubers claim to have knowledge of the game, but after xfactor stated that the M16A3 is underpowered (he believes that the AEK is overpowered), I facepalmed and never cared to watch again. Also, I never understood what PTFO means or why it's so prevalent with that phrase. As I said before, most of the use the M16A3/M4A1 because they're the best automatic guns (M4A1 simply outclasses every other carbine), so I don't get much out of their gameplay. Plus, they tend to play really conservative with their peeks which is the correct playstyle for competitive, and to improve your KDR. However, these tactics don't fit my playstyle of brazenly charging through the enemy lines and getting objectives that way.
Won't the bullet deviation on the AEK be horrific with Foregrip and no Heavy Barrel? It's already at 0.3 (50% more than the other assault rifles) and the Foregrip increases this further. At medium/long ranges you'd be hard pressed to get accurate shots I think. (that said, at close to medium ranges the recoil reduction will make it quite beastly)
well , ive played a lot with both (several thousand kills) and i can comfortably say that flash suppressor /forgrip is the superior setup. but you can of course try both for yourself.
On June 26 2012 23:29 Tennet wrote: Moving your mouse > vertical recoil. Use Hbar with AEK.
Not having to move your mouse as much means more time on target. Use Flash Supressor with AEK,
The point of moving your mouse to counter recoil is to stay on target..
It isn't hard at all to move your mouse to counter recoil while following a moving target when you fire your gun properly. Would you rather have tighter spread or less vertical recoil? Heavy Barrel not only tightens a gun's spread, it also increases its deadliness at range.The flash suppressor only reduces vertical recoil..
On June 26 2012 23:29 Tennet wrote: Moving your mouse > vertical recoil. Use Hbar with AEK.
Not having to move your mouse as much means more time on target. Use Flash Supressor with AEK,
The point of moving your mouse to counter recoil is to stay on target..
It isn't hard at all to move your mouse to counter recoil while following a moving target when you fire your gun properly. Would you rather have tighter spread or less vertical recoil? Heavy Barrel not only tightens a gun's spread, it also increases its deadliness at range.The flash suppressor only reduces vertical recoil..
Both of you guys could argue until you've used every word in the english language and neither of you will change your opinion. Every likes different guns with different attachments. Tired of this "the stats say this gun is the best so end of discussion." Not everyone plays the game the same so they'll use different stuff. Hence why people here are saying try the guns until you find one you like. I couldn't care less about the stats of a gun, if I do good with it i'm gonna use it.
On June 26 2012 23:29 Tennet wrote: Moving your mouse > vertical recoil. Use Hbar with AEK.
Not having to move your mouse as much means more time on target. Use Flash Supressor with AEK,
The point of moving your mouse to counter recoil is to stay on target..
It isn't hard at all to move your mouse to counter recoil while following a moving target when you fire your gun properly. Would you rather have tighter spread or less vertical recoil? Heavy Barrel not only tightens a gun's spread, it also increases its deadliness at range.The flash suppressor only reduces vertical recoil..
Both of you guys could argue until you've used every word in the english language and neither of you will change your opinion. Every likes different guns with different attachments. Tired of this "the stats say this gun is the best so end of discussion." Not everyone plays the game the same so they'll use different stuff. Hence why people here are saying try the guns until you find one you like. I couldn't care less about the stats of a gun, if I do good with it i'm gonna use it.
This is true but he has point
recoil can be controlled, spread can't because its random. Because of that you should look to reduce your spread as much as possible and just learn to handle recoil.
It is mostly just personal preference tho for a lot of statistics on guns i agree for sure though
On June 27 2012 05:56 Infernal_dream wrote: Every likes different guns with different attachments. Tired of this "the stats say this gun is the best so end of discussion." Not everyone plays the game the same so they'll use different stuff. Hence why people here are saying try the guns until you find one you like. I couldn't care less about the stats of a gun, if I do good with it i'm gonna use it.
Some styles are inferior to others. The style which the M16/M4 allows for is waaaaay better then what other weapons can perform to accomplish. Offcouse it's not as simple as looking at the numbers. But however these relates to actual gameplay there is no reason to assume they will be equally effective. Both can be "good" relative to other options in the game. But a lot of "good" ways to play this game are still far inferior to the best setups.
But this is game, it's about having a good time. The most superbestoptimal setup might just not be fun for everyone D:. Anyone who's priority #1 is winning, should use what they consider to be the best though. Not just a "good" one.
If you are like 50/50% winning and playing FUN playstyle there's suuuper many best weapons.
As long as you're comfortable knowing you can routinely outperform the majority of pubbies out there, you're fine to use whatever fucked up combo you like. It's nothing new to me at all. What I don't condone is the high amount of people I encounter who constantly try pulling off fancy shit that's way out of their reach, to the detriment of the dozen other people on their team.
If you want a great and hard to use gun, try and master the AEK (foregrip and heavy barrel): it kicks like crazy, but can pull great kills at mid to long range and vaporize people at close; takes time to master, and is way more "manly" than the m16. (tutorial on the AEK by one of the strongest player:
no no no , dont put a heavy barrel on the AEK , ive got 14.000 kills with it , trust me , flash suppressor + forgrip is the way to go. Oh , and dont trust youtubers too much , Levelcap gets most of his stats wrong (like stating that the M93r has 20 max damage when it does in fact have 25) and rivalxfactor doesent impress me too much either, most of his videos are extremly biased
The AEK isn't a hard to use gun at all, all you need to do is get close and point and shoot with the 900 RPM and drag down to the right. Flash Suppressor works fine, or even no attachment works great too (Both setups require foregrip since the gun has a lot of horizontal recoil). As to the suggesstion of why pick the M416, even though it's a bad all-around weapon, it's because he needs the first service star unlock, and the M416 is a gun that can be used in almost all types of engagements, as well as getting a feel for the RPMs of an average weapon.
The Youtubers claim to have knowledge of the game, but after xfactor stated that the M16A3 is underpowered (he believes that the AEK is overpowered), I facepalmed and never cared to watch again. Also, I never understood what PTFO means or why it's so prevalent with that phrase. As I said before, most of the use the M16A3/M4A1 because they're the best automatic guns (M4A1 simply outclasses every other carbine), so I don't get much out of their gameplay. Plus, they tend to play really conservative with their peeks which is the correct playstyle for competitive, and to improve your KDR. However, these tactics don't fit my playstyle of brazenly charging through the enemy lines and getting objectives that way.
High vertical recoil + high horizontal recoil + high rate of fire = definition of hard to use gun.
Also, to the previous response, V recoil you can control, higher damage/distance and better ads precision only Hbarrel can give you (of course it makes the gun even harder to use).
At my skill level (mediocre) I too perform better with the m16, but AEK is way funnier to use for me, and I feel it has highest "potential" in the mid-longish range too, given the skill to handle it.
On xfactor: he bullshit sometimes and makes mistakes, that's true, but you can't say he doesn't know the game, nor that his guide on the AEK I linked is incorrect.
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