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On January 31 2012 02:44 Necrophantasia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 01:11 Pippi wrote:On January 30 2012 19:06 monty wrote:On January 29 2012 19:20 Necrophantasia wrote:
Everyone keeps talking about offensive recon/battle recon to say they contribute their team.
But what exactly is offensive recon?
I gave it a go with the L96 acog 4x, laser sight, straight pull bolt, and the g18 suppressed as a side arm. I started sniping and instead of my usual 200-300m headshots, most of my targets were between 100-150, though surprisingly you can shoot up to 200 relatively easily with 4x :O.
I must be doing it wrong though, I was getting schooled by machine gunners and struggling to break even on KDR. Only when the teams were pretty stacked was I able to pull off some pretty good ratios. i only use that recon loadout for a fun challenge, but if you want to play serious and contribute then you should just stick to assault/engi. support/recon are way underpowered. Recon is UP on public servers when you hide in a bush 500 m away. In competetive play you almost always need 1 recon for MAV and radioB. Recon also do good to shut down paths in rush (or guard objectives from beeing armed or defused). How does recon shut down paths? Just bunny hop your way down the lane, and you will never die. They can't shut down mcoms either, just keep moving side to side while arming, and lol your way to victory. Seriously, recon is the worst kit in the game and it's borderline useless. I don't know what draws me to it, but I keep subjecting myself to this torture. I could be doing so much better and my spm could be so much higher, but I still keep playing recon. I gotta wonder why I do it  .
Maybe you won't get the head all the time when bunny hoping, but hey, you don't have to 1 shot all the time... Getting 1 shot kills is just a bonus if someone for some reason stands still for a split second. And I said it fairs good, not that it does it every time. The MAV is the biggest reason why recon isn't UP though.
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On January 31 2012 04:00 IveReturned wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 03:08 Assault_1 wrote:On January 31 2012 03:05 IveReturned wrote:On January 31 2012 02:59 Roggay wrote:On January 31 2012 02:44 Necrophantasia wrote:On January 31 2012 01:11 Pippi wrote:On January 30 2012 19:06 monty wrote:On January 29 2012 19:20 Necrophantasia wrote:
Everyone keeps talking about offensive recon/battle recon to say they contribute their team.
But what exactly is offensive recon?
I gave it a go with the L96 acog 4x, laser sight, straight pull bolt, and the g18 suppressed as a side arm. I started sniping and instead of my usual 200-300m headshots, most of my targets were between 100-150, though surprisingly you can shoot up to 200 relatively easily with 4x :O.
I must be doing it wrong though, I was getting schooled by machine gunners and struggling to break even on KDR. Only when the teams were pretty stacked was I able to pull off some pretty good ratios. i only use that recon loadout for a fun challenge, but if you want to play serious and contribute then you should just stick to assault/engi. support/recon are way underpowered. Recon is UP on public servers when you hide in a bush 500 m away. In competetive play you almost always need 1 recon for MAV and radioB. Recon also do good to shut down paths in rush (or guard objectives from beeing armed or defused). How does recon shut down paths? Just bunny hop your way down the lane, and you will never die. They can't shut down mcoms either, just keep moving side to side while arming, and lol your way to victory. Seriously, recon is the worst kit in the game and it's borderline useless. I don't know what draws me to it, but I keep subjecting myself to this torture. I could be doing so much better and my spm could be so much higher, but I still keep playing recon. I gotta wonder why I do it . Because getting one shot kills feels so much more rewarding. Soflam is awesome for the jets. I wonder why people don't use soflam much. because the recon gets no enjoyment out of it Yeah. I find killing more fun than just supporting. Just like every other game 
You'll find playing knife-only to be more productive than SOFLAMing on a public server. Your best bet is to find a position where it is unlikely to get easily destroyed while lasing down a path the enemy frequently drives through. If you're very lucky the designation will line up with an engineer or a jet or something and that will net you, what, 50 points? 100? Don't bother controlling it yourself unless you're changing the direction it's supposed to be facing. Just do what you do normally and let it do its thing.
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On January 31 2012 02:44 Necrophantasia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 01:11 Pippi wrote:On January 30 2012 19:06 monty wrote:On January 29 2012 19:20 Necrophantasia wrote:
Everyone keeps talking about offensive recon/battle recon to say they contribute their team.
But what exactly is offensive recon?
I gave it a go with the L96 acog 4x, laser sight, straight pull bolt, and the g18 suppressed as a side arm. I started sniping and instead of my usual 200-300m headshots, most of my targets were between 100-150, though surprisingly you can shoot up to 200 relatively easily with 4x :O.
I must be doing it wrong though, I was getting schooled by machine gunners and struggling to break even on KDR. Only when the teams were pretty stacked was I able to pull off some pretty good ratios. i only use that recon loadout for a fun challenge, but if you want to play serious and contribute then you should just stick to assault/engi. support/recon are way underpowered. Recon is UP on public servers when you hide in a bush 500 m away. In competetive play you almost always need 1 recon for MAV and radioB. Recon also do good to shut down paths in rush (or guard objectives from beeing armed or defused). How does recon shut down paths? Just bunny hop your way down the lane, and you will never die. They can't shut down mcoms either, just keep moving side to side while arming, and lol your way to victory. Seriously, recon is the worst kit in the game and it's borderline useless. I don't know what draws me to it, but I keep subjecting myself to this torture. I could be doing so much better and my spm could be so much higher, but I still keep playing recon. I gotta wonder why I do it .
actually it is pretty easy to shutdown bunny hops and arming it might take a couple shots but it is definently possible.
My SPM is 490 and I play mostly recon.
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i <3 recons and so does my javelin.
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On January 31 2012 06:56 tokicheese wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 02:44 Necrophantasia wrote:On January 31 2012 01:11 Pippi wrote:On January 30 2012 19:06 monty wrote:On January 29 2012 19:20 Necrophantasia wrote:
Everyone keeps talking about offensive recon/battle recon to say they contribute their team.
But what exactly is offensive recon?
I gave it a go with the L96 acog 4x, laser sight, straight pull bolt, and the g18 suppressed as a side arm. I started sniping and instead of my usual 200-300m headshots, most of my targets were between 100-150, though surprisingly you can shoot up to 200 relatively easily with 4x :O.
I must be doing it wrong though, I was getting schooled by machine gunners and struggling to break even on KDR. Only when the teams were pretty stacked was I able to pull off some pretty good ratios. i only use that recon loadout for a fun challenge, but if you want to play serious and contribute then you should just stick to assault/engi. support/recon are way underpowered. Recon is UP on public servers when you hide in a bush 500 m away. In competetive play you almost always need 1 recon for MAV and radioB. Recon also do good to shut down paths in rush (or guard objectives from beeing armed or defused). How does recon shut down paths? Just bunny hop your way down the lane, and you will never die. They can't shut down mcoms either, just keep moving side to side while arming, and lol your way to victory. Seriously, recon is the worst kit in the game and it's borderline useless. I don't know what draws me to it, but I keep subjecting myself to this torture. I could be doing so much better and my spm could be so much higher, but I still keep playing recon. I gotta wonder why I do it . actually it is pretty easy to shutdown bunny hops and arming it might take a couple shots but it is definently possible. My SPM is 490 and I play mostly recon.
I must be doing it wrong. Got any shooting tips?
Im trying my best to play "offensive" recon. I struggle to pull 260spm.
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On January 31 2012 08:02 Necrophantasia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 06:56 tokicheese wrote:On January 31 2012 02:44 Necrophantasia wrote:On January 31 2012 01:11 Pippi wrote:On January 30 2012 19:06 monty wrote:On January 29 2012 19:20 Necrophantasia wrote:
Everyone keeps talking about offensive recon/battle recon to say they contribute their team.
But what exactly is offensive recon?
I gave it a go with the L96 acog 4x, laser sight, straight pull bolt, and the g18 suppressed as a side arm. I started sniping and instead of my usual 200-300m headshots, most of my targets were between 100-150, though surprisingly you can shoot up to 200 relatively easily with 4x :O.
I must be doing it wrong though, I was getting schooled by machine gunners and struggling to break even on KDR. Only when the teams were pretty stacked was I able to pull off some pretty good ratios. i only use that recon loadout for a fun challenge, but if you want to play serious and contribute then you should just stick to assault/engi. support/recon are way underpowered. Recon is UP on public servers when you hide in a bush 500 m away. In competetive play you almost always need 1 recon for MAV and radioB. Recon also do good to shut down paths in rush (or guard objectives from beeing armed or defused). How does recon shut down paths? Just bunny hop your way down the lane, and you will never die. They can't shut down mcoms either, just keep moving side to side while arming, and lol your way to victory. Seriously, recon is the worst kit in the game and it's borderline useless. I don't know what draws me to it, but I keep subjecting myself to this torture. I could be doing so much better and my spm could be so much higher, but I still keep playing recon. I gotta wonder why I do it . actually it is pretty easy to shutdown bunny hops and arming it might take a couple shots but it is definently possible. My SPM is 490 and I play mostly recon. I must be doing it wrong. Got any shooting tips? Im trying my best to play "offensive" recon. I struggle to pull 260spm.
Do not start with a sniper, start with a pwr or ump so you are a threat up close.
Get behind enemy lines and place a radio becon, go kill a repairing engi somewhere and go crazy.
Then switch to a sniper and go assume a good sniper position relatively close to the becon but not close enough so the enemy can hear the beeps.
This stuff works wonders if you care about spm and it also helps your team because you are a threat coming from a different direction.
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On January 31 2012 08:02 Necrophantasia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 06:56 tokicheese wrote:On January 31 2012 02:44 Necrophantasia wrote:On January 31 2012 01:11 Pippi wrote:On January 30 2012 19:06 monty wrote:On January 29 2012 19:20 Necrophantasia wrote:
Everyone keeps talking about offensive recon/battle recon to say they contribute their team.
But what exactly is offensive recon?
I gave it a go with the L96 acog 4x, laser sight, straight pull bolt, and the g18 suppressed as a side arm. I started sniping and instead of my usual 200-300m headshots, most of my targets were between 100-150, though surprisingly you can shoot up to 200 relatively easily with 4x :O.
I must be doing it wrong though, I was getting schooled by machine gunners and struggling to break even on KDR. Only when the teams were pretty stacked was I able to pull off some pretty good ratios. i only use that recon loadout for a fun challenge, but if you want to play serious and contribute then you should just stick to assault/engi. support/recon are way underpowered. Recon is UP on public servers when you hide in a bush 500 m away. In competetive play you almost always need 1 recon for MAV and radioB. Recon also do good to shut down paths in rush (or guard objectives from beeing armed or defused). How does recon shut down paths? Just bunny hop your way down the lane, and you will never die. They can't shut down mcoms either, just keep moving side to side while arming, and lol your way to victory. Seriously, recon is the worst kit in the game and it's borderline useless. I don't know what draws me to it, but I keep subjecting myself to this torture. I could be doing so much better and my spm could be so much higher, but I still keep playing recon. I gotta wonder why I do it . actually it is pretty easy to shutdown bunny hops and arming it might take a couple shots but it is definently possible. My SPM is 490 and I play mostly recon. I must be doing it wrong. Got any shooting tips? Im trying my best to play "offensive" recon. I struggle to pull 260spm.
you want to aim before scoping. the laser helps a lot in this case. just point the laser at the guy's head and quickscope if he's close range. if your target is moving, just make a flick shot. if your target is at longer range or if he doesn't see you, then you can spend a little more time to line up your shot. you need to stop moving when shooting to be accurate. remember to scope out after every shot so you can get back into cover if needed. learn to switch quickly to pistol if you miss the headshot.
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On January 31 2012 08:02 Necrophantasia wrote:
I must be doing it wrong. Got any shooting tips?
Im trying my best to play "offensive" recon. I struggle to pull 260spm.
Semi-auto sniper rifle with a 4x scope (or a PDW or shotgun), Soflams/parked MAVs and beacons constantly. Supressed secondary weapon is important too, for stealth reasons.
As an offensive recon, your job is to get into an uncaptured objective first and to have your squad spawn on you to help cap it. This will generate massive SPM, especially if you move from objective to objective constantly. Hence the term "offensive" recon. Really helps to be on a good, coordinated squad though, because it can be hard to take an objective single-handedly as a recon. Any downtime is spent spotting units in high traffic areas from further away, or patrolling in some kind of armored vehicle (maybe shooting down jets with mobile AA).
EDIT: BTW, thought I'd note soemthing I noticed while levelling my recon class - if you get kills in a stationary turret, it counts towards experience for that class (unlike in a vehicle AFAIK). I made good use of the deck-mouted anti-air gatling gun on the aircraft carrier on Canal for that reason; you can kill many people out in the open with it, and it counts towards advancing your recon class.
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Ok, I give up. Offensive recon is utterly garbage in conquest. Actually, it's beyond useless. I'm going back to camping 300 meters behind the objective because frankly I can't hold a candle to any other class within 200 meters.
In rush, it has potential because of how team mates get bunched up and forced to go in front of you.
But conquest is completely useless.
EDIT: I've already spent a lot of time on recon because I love the prospect of being able be a designated marksman. I'm actually just got my 3rd service star. I'm alright being a sniper, but I have yet to go positive with "offensive" recon. Bolt action snipers are just so weak.
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On February 01 2012 01:16 Necrophantasia wrote:
Ok, I give up. Offensive recon is utterly garbage in conquest. Actually, it's beyond useless. I'm going back to camping 300 meters behind the objective because frankly I can't hold a candle to any other class within 200 meters.
In rush, it has potential because of how team mates get bunched up and forced to go in front of you.
But conquest is completely useless.
EDIT: I've already spent a lot of time on recon because I love the prospect of being able be a designated marksman. I'm actually just got my 3rd service star. I'm alright being a sniper, but I have yet to go positive with "offensive" recon. Bolt action snipers are just so weak.
well by your definition i often play quite offensive as well as recon. meaning that i rarely camp totally away from the battlefield. often most of my kills are around the 75-150m distance moving around the map and covering objectives or paths.
basicly you can play very similar as you do now that way. jsut with more focus on supporting (spotting, mav, beacon etc) and you have to move around way more instead of setting up your tent and spending the whole game on one spot.
if you really want to get up n close then just drop the sniper rifles and pick up the VAL which together with a g18 gives you plenty short range power.
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I like playing recon with an SKS and holo, even though the SKS does lower damage than say, the M39, it makes up for that in considerably lower recoil, quicker fire rate and larger mags. Atleast in HC, a headshot is an insta-kill, and they're very easy to get up to mid-range (70-130m) by just correcting your aim after firing your first shots, due to the low recoil.
It's also very deadly on close range because of its high firerate.
I've got ~400 kills with it, and a lot of the times when playing assault i get really frustrated shooting at slightly longer ranges because I'm so used to the lovely accuracy of the SKS.
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I really like my M98B(12x+SPB) since it's bullet drop is almost non existant up to medium distances, and Barrett is just all around such a sexy sniper rifle. Combined with G17C silenced pistol which has accurate from hip fire with decent damage and firing speed I do pretty well in most scenarios. Yes I get fucked if I run straight into someone not terrible with an appropriate weapon for the situation but you can't have everything, TUGS saves me from that fairly often anyway.
It's not a bad idea to use the cover squad spec if you're playing rifle recon at close ranges as suppression is your worst enemy. And in general having straight pull bolt makes bolt action rifles much more fun and effective imo.
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I like this better than BF:BC where 8 out of the 12 players on my team were recons.
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Does DICE really hate Russian weapons? Trying to use the SVD to grind out all the equipment unlocks, but it's inferior to the MK 11 in every way with bullet speed and reload time, while recoil is the same. Almost equally imbalanced is the default assault rifles with the AK-74, but the M16 has a slightly higher first shot recoil.
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This is getting me to ask my buddy who plays recon 50% of the time and has 624 SPM
I guess all the awesome marksman bonus boosts it hardcore. I'm just starting to play recon a little.
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On February 01 2012 07:50 Phelix wrote:
Does DICE really hate Russian weapons? Trying to use the SVD to grind out all the equipment unlocks, but it's inferior to the MK 11 in every way with bullet speed and reload time, while recoil is the same. Almost equally imbalanced is the default assault rifles with the AK-74, but the M16 has a slightly higher first shot recoil.
actually AK-74 is inferior to M16A3. M16A3 has practically no recoil, extremely fast reloading speed and is superbly accurate. There's a reason why nearly every assault uses M16A3, because its just that damn good.
and yeah....SVD sucks badly compared to MK11
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On February 01 2012 09:28 Mithhaike wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 07:50 Phelix wrote:
Does DICE really hate Russian weapons? Trying to use the SVD to grind out all the equipment unlocks, but it's inferior to the MK 11 in every way with bullet speed and reload time, while recoil is the same. Almost equally imbalanced is the default assault rifles with the AK-74, but the M16 has a slightly higher first shot recoil. actually AK-74 is inferior to M16A3. M16A3 has practically no recoil, extremely fast reloading speed and is superbly accurate. There's a reason why nearly every assault uses M16A3, because its just that damn good. and yeah....SVD sucks badly compared to MK11
I meant to say how bad the AK-74 is compared to the M16A3, guess my wording wasn't clear. Everyone uses the M16A3 from what feel that keeps killing me from the Assault class. It's the best gun overall.
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It's probably the best all around assault rifle. However, the AEK is slightly better IMO. I see the AEK almost everywhere.
Personally, I prefer the AN-94 and the super baller 2 round burst. It might just be my marksmanship tendencies coming through
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Hey guys I have played about 53 hours on the PS3 version, and so far on public servers it's fun but kind of "meh". Here's a bit of negative feedback:
-24 players limit is a nightmare, especially when the server is not full and no one tries to play as a team.
-Everyone plays engineer, except for a couple of guys here & there who play assault.
-No one plays recon except to play around with the flying mini drone.
-some maps seem imbalanced, and seem to favor one side over the other (operation metro & grand bazaar come to mind).
-some weapons seem imbalanced, M320, USAS12.
Also I'd like to talk about the control system. I don't know if it's working as intended but compared to other PS3 FPS games, aiming in bf3 is a pain in the ass and is really frustrating. I have to set the sensibility at like 10-15%; and even then the scoped aim is WAY too sensible. Not to mention the fact that non-scoped aim is SLOW AS HELL (I'm talking 2 seconds to perform a full 360°) because of the aforementioned 15% sensibility. Now I may be doing something wrong but again, compared to other FPS games it is a puzzling matter. I've played quite some time now and I have a hard time getting comfortable with bf3's gameplay on the ps3.
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On February 01 2012 09:28 Mithhaike wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 07:50 Phelix wrote:
Does DICE really hate Russian weapons? Trying to use the SVD to grind out all the equipment unlocks, but it's inferior to the MK 11 in every way with bullet speed and reload time, while recoil is the same. Almost equally imbalanced is the default assault rifles with the AK-74, but the M16 has a slightly higher first shot recoil. actually AK-74 is inferior to M16A3. M16A3 has practically no recoil, extremely fast reloading speed and is superbly accurate. There's a reason why nearly every assault uses M16A3, because its just that damn good. and yeah....SVD sucks badly compared to MK11
The M16A3 is nowhere near as prolific as the AEK-971 or the F2000 in my experiences. And I personally favor the M416 when I play Assault. I like it the best out of all the guns
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