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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
What an in depth response. If you are just looking at some random persons stats, yes, really. What could possibly be telling? W/L i guess is somewhat telling but not really since a person can't control the dozens of other people in the game. Score per min doesnt mean much, otherwise i guess the people who spam supply in metro are the best players in BF3. K/D? Who cares, you maybe have that by just spamming 320s. All the stats can be misleading or meaningless. | ||
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iinsom
Australia339 Posts
On December 09 2011 13:36 DannyJ wrote: What an in depth response. If you are just looking at some random persons stats, yes, really. What could possibly be telling? W/L i guess is somewhat telling but not really since a person can't control the dozens of other people in the game. Score per min doesnt mean much, otherwise i guess the people who spam supply in metro are the best players in BF3. K/D? Who cares, you maybe have that by just spamming 320s. All the stats can be misleading or meaningless. Or iM guys spamming mavs in op metro :p | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
On December 09 2011 13:36 DannyJ wrote: What an in depth response. If you are just looking at some random persons stats, yes, really. What could possibly be telling? W/L i guess is somewhat telling but not really since a person can't control the dozens of other people in the game. Score per min doesnt mean much, otherwise i guess the people who spam supply in metro are the best players in BF3. K/D? Who cares, you maybe have that by just spamming 320s. All the stats can be misleading or meaningless. If your w/l is like 3.0 you have to be doing something right, even if that something is just being in a clan that's got no issues stacking pubs. As to the others, good stats don't mean you're good, but bad stats do mean you're bad. There's almost no way to argue that you're competent if your k/d is 0.5. That's a meaningful assessment. The term, I think, is "necessary but not sufficient." | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
On December 09 2011 13:55 DannyJ wrote: Well yeah its enough to tell generally how competent a player is overall when you add it all up, but it still wouldnt be that accurate. It can show if you totally suck but besides that I'm not sure. You definitely can't tell much from taking one or two individual stats. Well no, but every single metric can be boosted. The SC2 strat forum has any number of threads with people 6pooling or 5raxing to masters+. That doesn't mean ladder ranking in general is crap. It's fair to say that things like that are not ultimate indicators of skill, but it's completely ridiculous to say they're meaningless. | ||
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askTeivospy
1525 Posts
On December 09 2011 13:36 DannyJ wrote: What an in depth response. If you are just looking at some random persons stats, yes, really. What could possibly be telling? W/L i guess is somewhat telling but not really since a person can't control the dozens of other people in the game. Score per min doesnt mean much, otherwise i guess the people who spam supply in metro are the best players in BF3. K/D? Who cares, you maybe have that by just spamming 320s. All the stats can be misleading or meaningless. I designed my response to be short to match yours. IMO you didn't add an explanation so I didn't either. It turned out okay since it elicited a good explanation out of you Anyways like I posted before your initial post, I basically agree that each one by itself is obviously meaningless. Taking all 3 together though are indicative of skill if the player plays legit | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
My friend has a 4-1 K/D ratio, really high SPM and a decent W/L ratio. ALL he does is spam 320s and revive in operation metro. It's not like he's an amazing player or is even trying to be. It sure looks like he is though. I mean i guess you could look in depth and see his weapon stats and deduce what he does, but it just shows how certain modes can just insanely inflate things. | ||
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askTeivospy
1525 Posts
On December 09 2011 14:05 DannyJ wrote: Yeah but unlike SC2 there are so many variables in BF3. Different modes, different limits, different rules. A person who likes to play 16 player rush is going to have far different stats vs a person who just plays 64 player op metro or a person who just plays TDM, etc. It's not meaningless overall but can definitely be misleading or false.\ My friend has an 4-1 K/D ratio, really high SPM and a decent W/L ratio. ALL he does is spam 320s and revive in operation metro. It's not like he's an amazing player or is even trying to be. It sure looks like he is though. I mean i guess you could look in depth and see his weapon stats and deduce what he does, but it just shows how certain modes can just insanely inflate things. lol, people who have a full line of operation metro in their match history make me wonder if they still think its the beta ._> | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On December 09 2011 14:15 askTeivospy wrote: lol, people who have a full line of operation metro in their match history make me wonder if they still think its the beta ._> They're just unlock farming zzzzzzz | ||
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iinsom
Australia339 Posts
I play tdm for that! | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
I haven't played since they nerfed the Scar-H, has a lot changed? | ||
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chambanog
35 Posts
i always feel powerless when i am on top of a mountain on firestorm and spot a tank on E capping it and all i can do is hope for my teammates to defend it. I've had games where i get insane k/d while just lying down and looking for people to kill, but when I win those games, i know it wasn't because of me, sure i helped burn a few tickets, helped spot some people, but the guys on the ground who are capping are the ones who truly win those fights. On games where I do that and lose, I am 100% sure I couldve helped much more if i got on my feet and started roaming. I only go prone all game if I'm confident that my team is good and doesnt need an extra footman. If I see 2-3 snipers already, or my team is lacking a roleplayer i instantly switch to another class or change my m98 to a pdw and go into the fight. TLDR: recon has good gadgets to help the whole team, sitting on one spot the whole game isnt the best idea and getting an insane kd doesn't automatically mean you're the hero. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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Mithhaike
Singapore2759 Posts
On December 09 2011 12:11 striyder wrote: TDM is all about kills, bottom left corner where the tickets usually are is just a counter for how many kills your team has gotten. Only conquest and rush is where tickets come into play. Just so you all know, the tickets only drop when your truly dead. When your lying there with a chance to be revived, the ticket count doesnt go down yet. Its when you go into the deployment screen then your death/ticket loss is registered and counted. This is me btw. Add me to friendlist if you guys want. My platoon is just a platoon i made just for myself. With a logo made out of pure fun rofl. http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/user/Mithified/ | ||
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Butcherski
Poland446 Posts
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FireSA
Australia555 Posts
Any Australian servers that other Aussies would recommend? Also any US servers that US players would recommend? Though will see if ping would be an issue. And as always, anybody with a spare dr pepper code @_@ On a separate note, knifing is....weird. Fun but weird. Guess that is what I get for playing CoD a lot, though it is awkward how a knife from the front to the head counts as a headshot...weird stuff. | ||
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askTeivospy
1525 Posts
On December 09 2011 15:33 Butcherski wrote: Seems to me most of you guys are not playing hardcore ? I myself have not played on normal since the beta. Seems silly to me with all that ez spotting, 3rd person cam for jets etc. Was the same in CoD as far as i remember - everybody good sticked to hardcore. ironically the real actual hardcore jet pilots fly in softcore. 3P cam increases skill cap by so much and gives you a huge disadvantage if you fly in it, its called speed management | ||
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zoltanium
Australia171 Posts
On December 09 2011 15:33 Butcherski wrote: Seems to me most of you guys are not playing hardcore ? I myself have not played on normal since the beta. Seems silly to me with all that ez spotting, 3rd person cam for jets etc. Was the same in CoD as far as i remember - everybody good sticked to hardcore. No, the daddy gamers who have a hard on for 'realism' love it. Hardcore isnt skillful, its just tedious. Without blowing my horn too much, I could easily go in a hardcore server and play to the same level as normal mode, but the playstyle required to dominate hardcore is lame/boring, its just utilising (read: camping) behind neck high walls for extended periods of time. Theres a reason why i never even thought about downloading project reality for bf2 | ||
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askTeivospy
1525 Posts
On December 09 2011 16:44 zoltanium wrote: No, the daddy gamers who have a hard on for 'realism' love it. Hardcore isnt skillful, its just tedious. Without blowing my horn too much, I could easily go in a hardcore server and play to the same level as normal mode, but the playstyle required to dominate hardcore is lame/boring, its just utilising (read: camping) behind neck high walls for extended periods of time. Theres a reason why i never even thought about downloading project reality for bf2 project reality was a cool looking mod but its playerbase comprised pretentious jerks and they just slammed anyone who was new to the mod Desert Combat still remained #1 present day conflict mod throughout battlefield series imo. PoE2 was alright but DC was much funner imo | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
~_~ SO THERE THAT SETTLES THAT. | ||
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