EPTAlso after another night of MAVing i am now 31st in the world for skill. lol.
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zoltanium
Australia171 Posts
Also after another night of MAVing i am now 31st in the world for skill. lol. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32157 Posts
I mean, two weeks ago you were rambling on about how you couldn't deal with helis and tanks taking bases, and now you're telling people that the recon is a good class? Outside of the MAV and the spawn beacon (which is only useful if you're pushing as an assault recon), it has little use to the team in conquest. It's a fun class, but one that is of little value against any reasonably organized team. | ||
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
On November 29 2011 03:23 Hawk wrote: You're completely wrong and that's been the mo on sniper/recon class for years in BF: In almost all situations, you are almost always better served with one of the other classes. This was only slightly different in BC because you could equip C4. I mean, two weeks ago you were rambling on about how you couldn't deal with helis and tanks taking bases, and now you're telling people that the recon is a good class? Outside of the MAV and the spawn beacon (which is only useful if you're pushing as an assault recon), it has little use to the team in conquest. It's a fun class, but one that is of little value against any reasonably organized team. I still can't deal with helis and tanks, but I'm raping everything else well enough that I don't mind as much. And I don't think I'm "completely wrong"......if the class was worthless, it wouldn't exist. You seem like your talking about actual organized clan games and such........reasonably organized teams in a 64 player pub? Wtf? Those exist? Never in my now 100+ games have I seen a reasonably organized team. OCCASIONALLY I'll see a reasonably organized squad......every 10 games.....maybe. And even then it's probably accidental most of the time. In your normal "every man for himself....and maybe his squad if you're lucky" pub game, sniping is a perfectly viable way of helping your team, imo. Now maybe in actual competitive games where everyone is on teamspeak, and a sniper's location instantly gets called by 5 people as soon as he fires, and a godly heli pilot instantly flies in and annihilates him, maybe snipers are pretty useless....but I wouldn't know, I've never played in such a game. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32157 Posts
Just like in sc2, you can get to gold or plat or even diamond with a lot of dumb ass strategies, but that doesn't mean they're good at all. Snuggles, Engi is probably the easiest way to get a good k/d while still participating in the game instead of lone wolfing | ||
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Rob28
Canada705 Posts
Recon has its pros and cons. I find a good sniper very invaluable on Sienne, Davamand, Tehran and Bazaar. I find them less helpful on Firestorm, Metro and Caspian. On Canals and Kharg I can take or leave them. But what really matters is how much fun the sniper is having. He paid for the game too, he has the right to play it any way he wants. To criticize by saying it's not "skilled" or "good teamplaying" is not really anyone's call to make. Just because I prefer Assault and Support class, and that I use PDWs for my recon class rather than sniper rifles, doesn't mean I can't appreciate a sniper who makes a good headshot at 500m. They have their roles to fill too. What most sets me at ease though is that snipers exist in real life. If you want a realistic warfare experience, shunning someone for taking on a sniper role is counter-productive. Snipers happen on the battlefield, so deal with it and appreciate the realism of the situation. | ||
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Lockon
Canada45 Posts
on other note, sniper not so useless if you equip RDS, Foregrip & Suppressor but the other kits will beat it by dps so why not go 1-2 hit KO sniper with MK11 or M98B (RDS/ACOG, Foregrip & Suppressor). Just follow team mate around and lay down Beacon and T-UGS or MAV nearby when pinned trying to infiltrate a point. In short, use a shorter scope. | ||
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Assault_1
Canada1950 Posts
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
On November 29 2011 04:43 Hawk wrote: Rest assured, most of your teammates are cursing you for being the dumb sniper instead of spamming health or something more useful. Just like in sc2, you can get to gold or plat or even diamond with a lot of dumb ass strategies, but that doesn't mean they're good at all. Snuggles, Engi is probably the easiest way to get a good k/d while still participating in the game instead of lone wolfing Rest assured....as I sit in the rocks above a random cap point, and no infantry can touch me, and the point remains untaken the entire game despite the normal ebb and flow of the game, while I go 29-5, I don't give a crap what they think. | ||
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PizzaParty
Canada169 Posts
1. Squads perks don't stack do they ? And a squad perk is as good as normal perk right ? 2. Is there a trick to shooting down flyers with stingers/igla ? When the pilot is really good it seems his flare cooldown is just enough to always stop my missiles. I sometimes lock-on and not shoot just to get him to release the flares pre-emptively, but the flares also reset my lock-on so I'm not further ahead. 3. Is it me or does the T-UGS sucks ? It's like a motion mine from BC2 that you can't throw and that doesn't detect much. 4. When I put down a mobile spawn point as recon, die, and use my spawn on my mobile point, the latter blows up but only if I am Recon (and not any other class). That's normal right ? 5. Why can't shoot AT-mines using bullets ? I have to waste grenades on them, unlike in BC2  6. Is it worth it to have the under-rail on the assault rifles to carry the M320 instead of having the fore-grip ? I don't feel like switching back and forth (between the rifle and stand-alone launcher) is a big deal ? 7. I loved the AN-94 in BC2 (a little less after nerf), is it any good in BF3 ? My friends keep telling me it sucks but I'm still curious. 8. Are the suppressor and the flash suppressor worth it for the drawbacks they bring ? I like the suppressor for short-range flanking, but I tried the flash suppressor on the M27 and really didn't like it for mid-long range. 9. Ammo packs in BC2 re-supplied grenades much faster then in BF3. It's like I have to be full in ammo for a good 10 seconds before my grenade(s) supplied. Is there a "trick" to get grenades re-supplied faster ? 10. What's the best way to use an utility helicopter ? On Caspian Border I circle around the 2 M-COMs so the gunners can shoot and passengers can drop by parachute, but I still get very little points per minute by doing that. | ||
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CatioN
United States136 Posts
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QuanticHawk
United States32157 Posts
On November 29 2011 05:14 Rob28 wrote: Such an odd argument going on. Recon has its pros and cons. I find a good sniper very invaluable on Sienne, Davamand, Tehran and Bazaar. I find them less helpful on Firestorm, Metro and Caspian. On Canals and Kharg I can take or leave them. But what really matters is how much fun the sniper is having. He paid for the game too, he has the right to play it any way he wants. To criticize by saying it's not "skilled" or "good teamplaying" is not really anyone's call to make. Just because I prefer Assault and Support class, and that I use PDWs for my recon class rather than sniper rifles, doesn't mean I can't appreciate a sniper who makes a good headshot at 500m. They have their roles to fill too. What most sets me at ease though is that snipers exist in real life. If you want a realistic warfare experience, shunning someone for taking on a sniper role is counter-productive. Snipers happen on the battlefield, so deal with it and appreciate the realism of the situation. It wasn't about skill or it being fun (it does take it and it is fun though--i play it a fair amount), it was just about the general usefulness of the class vs the other three and that's a well known BF fact going back through all the games. And it was about using the K:D as a barometer for usefulness to the team, which is only marginally better than using apm as a gauge for skill in BW/SC2. Cat, PC is how the game is meant to be played for sure. But if you don't have a good pc, it might not be worth it. The other deciding factor for me besides that was that all my friends have it for Xbox, and on pc it would just be my fellow nerds from bw... while fun, it's not the same | ||
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iinsom
Australia339 Posts
On November 28 2011 12:20 askTeivospy wrote: Rewording my post: I know how its calculated and what its used for, all i said was to get it to relatively high levels you can't die to anyone since most people are lower than you so anyone you kill will increase your skill just a little bit and anyone you die to will decrease it greatly. So it follows that the only way to get it high is to go on killing streaks, which of course if you always go on killing streaks you could be skilled - or you could be just using abusive tactics that don't put you in danger and give you free kills. Its really a pointless metric since it doesn't even make sense for match making with the way they implemented it. I think if they wanted to use a match making metric they should have just used score per minute I believe it would be more used for console mm or "quick game" on the pc. Obviously dedi servers are useless for mm, unless the autobalance also works on the "skill" | ||
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Rob28
Canada705 Posts
On November 29 2011 06:05 PizzaParty wrote: Quick questions: 1. Squads perks don't stack do they ? And a squad perk is as good as normal perk right ? 2. Is there a trick to shooting down flyers with stingers/igla ? When the pilot is really good it seems his flare cooldown is just enough to always stop my missiles. I sometimes lock-on and not shoot just to get him to release the flares pre-emptively, but the flares also reset my lock-on so I'm not further ahead. 3. Is it me or does the T-UGS sucks ? It's like a motion mine from BC2 that you can't throw and that doesn't detect much. 4. When I put down a mobile spawn point as recon, die, and use my spawn on my mobile point, the latter blows up but only if I am Recon (and not any other class). That's normal right ? 5. Why can't shoot AT-mines using bullets ? I have to waste grenades on them, unlike in BC2 6. Is it worth it to have the under-rail on the assault rifles to carry the M320 instead of having the fore-grip ? I don't feel like switching back and forth (between the rifle and stand-alone launcher) is a big deal ? 7. I loved the AN-94 in BC2 (a little less after nerf), is it any good in BF3 ? My friends keep telling me it sucks but I'm still curious. 8. Are the suppressor and the flash suppressor worth it for the drawbacks they bring ? I like the suppressor for short-range flanking, but I tried the flash suppressor on the M27 and really didn't like it for mid-long range. 9. Ammo packs in BC2 re-supplied grenades much faster then in BF3. It's like I have to be full in ammo for a good 10 seconds before my grenade(s) supplied. Is there a "trick" to get grenades re-supplied faster ? 10. What's the best way to use an utility helicopter ? On Caspian Border I circle around the 2 M-COMs so the gunners can shoot and passengers can drop by parachute, but I still get very little points per minute by doing that. #1. AFAIK the same perks don't stack (you can't have 2x flak jacket or more ammo with additional ammo perks), and yes, their effect is the same as the single perk, just for the whole squad. #2 Watch the flyer until he offloads his flares from some other lock on, then hit him. If you lock and he deploys his flares, it breaks the lock. Fastest way is to lower and then re-ADS your launcher. Other option is teaming up with another engy for the same target, one gets the flares out, the other shoots. #3 T-UGS does indeed suck, unless you are camping like a hard mofo. I prefer SOFLAM on big vehicle heavy maps and MAV on smaller ones. It's just better. #4 Not sure, probably? #5 I hate that too. IMO mines should disappear after the engy dies (like C4 does), and should be spottable like BC2. If you want answers though, ask DICE. #6 Little longer to get it up, but in CQB it won't matter as much as you'd think. #7 The AN has more recoil, generally it gets outshined by F2000 or AEK, which perform better at ranges with only slightly less damage. It's a matter of personal preference really. #8 Supressor is great on short-range guns, especially support machine guns and PDWs. Flash suppressor is better for assault rifle classes. i use a flash supressor on my AEK and supressors on my support guns, I've gotten used to the change in firing patterns. Its good on places like caspian where you can inadvertently wander into a crowd of enemies, and they don't realize you're there until you've taken out a few of them. #9 Keep pressing "5" (or equivalent grenade equip button) while standing near ammo pack, it'll prioritize your grenade re-load. #10 The best way is what you've decribed. It's a transport vehicle, so it's role is to transport, nothing fancy. Best for sneak attacks on unprotectd objs, especially when the front moves closer to your deployment zone. | ||
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Severus_
759 Posts
When you have 0 64man maps and every map is a cluster fuck. On top of that you put flashlights,IRNV,mortar spam,spawn camping,3bullets to kill guys with the automatic weapon also the bright light from your scope when you zoom in as sniper makes recon completly useless. Every class is better no matter what you do if you snipe,camp,rush, whatever you are useless i rather have assault guy than a sniper. First because it requires a headshot to kill a dude which is ok but compered to other weps it sucks their dmg output is milion times better. I play only recon but i know when i enter the game my team is fucked haha. Yes you can control zones if you are a godlike sniper but a tank+engi on his back can control it better and even kill you. Just the game is not suited for sniping if you snipe like i do most of the time you are 1 selfish guy who doesn't care about his team because you chose to play sniper. Atleast this is my point of view I think only AFKer doesn't beat recon  | ||
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askTeivospy
1525 Posts
On November 29 2011 04:43 Hawk wrote: Rest assured, most of your teammates are cursing you for being the dumb sniper instead of spamming health or something more useful. Just like in sc2, you can get to gold or plat or even diamond with a lot of dumb ass strategies, but that doesn't mean they're good at all. Snuggles, Engi is probably the easiest way to get a good k/d while still participating in the game instead of lone wolfing Engineer is the lone wolf class | ||
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LoLAdriankat
United States4307 Posts
So, if I get it for consoles, what am I missing out on, aside from the obvious smaller maps and player counts? | ||
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zoltanium
Australia171 Posts
On November 29 2011 05:14 Rob28 wrote: Such an odd argument going on. Recon has its pros and cons. I find a good sniper very invaluable on Sienne, Davamand, Tehran and Bazaar. I find them less helpful on Firestorm, Metro and Caspian. On Canals and Kharg I can take or leave them. But what really matters is how much fun the sniper is having. He paid for the game too, he has the right to play it any way he wants. To criticize by saying it's not "skilled" or "good teamplaying" is not really anyone's call to make. Just because I prefer Assault and Support class, and that I use PDWs for my recon class rather than sniper rifles, doesn't mean I can't appreciate a sniper who makes a good headshot at 500m. They have their roles to fill too. What most sets me at ease though is that snipers exist in real life. If you want a realistic warfare experience, shunning someone for taking on a sniper role is counter-productive. Snipers happen on the battlefield, so deal with it and appreciate the realism of the situation. What im trying to get at, and i assume Hawk is doing the same, is that for a set player skill, that person would have a greater impact on the game as assault or engy rather than recon. The reason why i brought up team matches is because that is the ultimate form of strategy evolution, what ever gives the strongest chance of winning will be used. And for class combos it is assault/engy, period. The utility of the revive paddles or the AT rocket of the engy shits on whatever utility a recon can provide to the team. Not that i care what smeagol does in a pub, its his game and he can do what he wants as long as he has fun! But its just delusional to think a recon can provide better utility than assault,engy and even support on pub. | ||
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
And again, while on the subject...this is the much unfinished game in existence in everything not regarding gameplay.......no chat in between map changes like 99% of all FPS???? No team shuffle option, much less a team balance option?? No "X number of this class chosen/etc" so you have no idea what role is needed most when entering a server??? Really? Here is how my BF3 experience went tonight. I barely have ~45 minutes to an hour to play.....Start out normal, standard 2-5 crashes trying to get into my first server. This is pretty much expected, I just click random servers the first couple of times knowing I won't get into it. Now I finally get in, midway through some fucking slaughterhouse going on in an extra ticket server, which again, thanks to exactly zero options in selecting, I have no idea what is going on in the server at the time. Score is something like 450-75, everyone on the opposite team has the little wing insignia...everyone on my team is like level 15. i just jump in as recon, drop a forward spawn beacon, and make the best of it, ending up halfway decent, getting some nice shots, a MAV roadkill, and a buttload of spot assists. Whatever.....well, map finally ends....and swaps sides. No shuffle teams, god no.......we only got slaughtered on the land side of the canal map, surely we'll do much fucking better as the sea-side ...............Again, thanks to exactly zero server options, there is basically nothing you can do about it. This one is even funner.....fortunately one of my squad-mates is a godly heli pilot, so we go on a good spree right off the bat, and about midway through the map I got the sickest 5 kill I've ever seen with some ridiculous ninja action, and a flying flick no-scope. We lose horribly, of course, but Me and a couple others still did well.....Oh well, better luck next map? OPERATION METRO. Noone switches sides, and it's now about 25 vs 15, with literally EVERYONE on the opposing side having the wing insignia, and NONE of my teamates having it. 2 seconds later, my game crashes again. Fuck you EA. Now Origin "disconnects" in the middle of loading up the next map, despite my internet being it's usual amazing self, and having exactly nothing wrong with it. Whatever, I quit Origin, reload it, load up a new map. I join a Dhavamand server........load in....spawn.....and instantly die to a Humvee park 3 feet from my spawn. The ticket count is ~400 to 100. All points capped. Two copters hovering over our spawn, and my team is snipers as far as the eye can see. I type in chat "why don't some of you $^%* switch sides?". The responses comes back loud and clear, "umad bro?" "you suck", "shut up and play", "just leave if you can't handle it", etc., etc. Fun times. Map reloads, noone switches teams, and with it literally being 20 people vs 7 or 8, I quit too. /dont take this as a rage post. It's pretty funny if you think about it. | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
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