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RaLakedaimon
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1564 Posts
November 10 2011 16:58 GMT
#6681
After watching those videos I decided to let loose more in games and focus on having fun and am actually getting loads more kills than normal. A minute ago I had over 3 rounds were I went over 30 kills and under 10 deaths every time, all the while throwing c4 on peoples feet/jihad jeeping/c4'ing vehicles all over the place/knifing it up. I'm amazed I didn't just kick back before like this. I am even getting more flag caps, one reason I think I'm doing better though is that I didn't have IRVN scopes for any support guns (now I do) and those scopes are addicting but also make you slow as hell moving around the map since you "scan" every five or six seconds. No more stiff play for me, all about the fun!
zoltanium
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia171 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 17:16:09
November 10 2011 17:15 GMT
#6682
On November 10 2011 23:39 Tufas wrote:
Nothing can beat BF:V, sadly it is completely dead in europe since 2006-7 ...

So. My old squad told me that they are coming together for BF3 - but I have some questions.

In a clanwar :

-What weapons do you play with ? Is everything unlocked ? Only the stuff you previously unlocked ? Is everything locked ? Obviously it has to be the same setting for all or this game is of absolutely no interest to me.

- Are the maps too big for 8v8 or do they play out good enough for that.

- Should I wait for a patch or is it fairly balanced ...

Thanks.

Hey man, our team has been scrimming twice a night on most nights so I think i have a good grasp on how BF3 plays out in the competitive environment.(played bf2 and 2142 at the top level in clans etcetc). The big vehicle maps are too big to work for 8v8 in my opinion. Our team has been scrimming in the following format

-10v10
-All maps on conquest small mode, apart from bazaar which is set on 64p with tickets adjusted
-Stock Weapons only, no attachments,
-All vehicle perks bar thermal optics allowed

Suprisingly 10v10 works pretty well on caspian and firestorm, despite being large vehicle maps. Even though there are a lot of vehicles, we only run 1 person in the jet just as anti helicopter role on these big maps. I defintely get that BF vibe where your infantry and vehicles form into this cohesive team where you push flags together and then settle into tight lockdowns once you get the bleed (No capouts unfortunately ). Taking out armour on the infantry maps is really interesting due to the overpowered repair rate from engy sluts, you basically have to synchronise your AT and own armour fire at the same time to take it down.

Seine small CQ is an awesome map to play, such a highly tactical map because of the high ground that reminds me of mashtuur 16p in BF2. I think the smaller infantry maps would defintely work for 8v8, but not for vehicle maps.

Regarding the balance, our team has been flying the stock only no attachments flag in the australian community (we are the minority). If this is the case it works out quite balanced as russia has map advantages but a shittier assault rifle and carbine. Balance will go out the window if F2000/SCAR-H with foregrips are allowed in clan wars lol.
mate
Tufas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Austria2259 Posts
November 10 2011 17:59 GMT
#6683
Well thanks for the answer .. so If we dont play infantry only (like we did in bf2) we should get more than 8 players,
And I have to look for the ESL/clanbase rules, maybe they clarify the unlock/attachment question.
Well seems like I have to buy the game after all :D
Where is my ACE flair
Hibzy
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom445 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 18:13:24
November 10 2011 18:06 GMT
#6684
Arrgh my connection has gone down the toilet, no BF3 action with me tonight ( not like you will miss my jet suicides or mortar spam though..:D)
"Uhh, I just have an insanely good sense of fashion." -TLO
Little Rage Box
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States84 Posts
November 10 2011 18:25 GMT
#6685
The posts above about small clan/squad combat has gotten me to thinking. And no that isn't dangerous and no I won't hurt myself. While the smaller combat might be fun, personally i don't think its really what Battlefield is supposed to be about.

I think that it would be pretty damn awesome if we found some platoons that would go 32v32 with us. We have talked about jumping on some squad deathmatch servers or squad rush and wrecking face, which I'm sure we would do. But I feel that we would be even better at a true team based Conq match.

Anyways, those are just my thoughts, and in all likelyhood they would be to scared to fight us anyways.

~Spartan
Rob28
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada705 Posts
November 10 2011 18:50 GMT
#6686
On November 11 2011 03:25 Little Rage Box wrote:
The posts above about small clan/squad combat has gotten me to thinking. And no that isn't dangerous and no I won't hurt myself. While the smaller combat might be fun, personally i don't think its really what Battlefield is supposed to be about.

I think that it would be pretty damn awesome if we found some platoons that would go 32v32 with us. We have talked about jumping on some squad deathmatch servers or squad rush and wrecking face, which I'm sure we would do. But I feel that we would be even better at a true team based Conq match.

Anyways, those are just my thoughts, and in all likelyhood they would be to scared to fight us anyways.

~Spartan


I agree with your statements sir. Battlefield is about armies clashing against armies. The whole "platoon" element is only a way of breaking armies into more manageable chunks.

Recruit as many as you can get, do a search for the larger clans, and send them a challenge. Probably the best way to go about it. Upshot is you get the TL server filled pretty easily.
"power overwhelming"... work, dammit, work!
Saishuuheiki
Profile Joined November 2010
United States188 Posts
November 10 2011 18:56 GMT
#6687
On November 11 2011 03:25 Little Rage Box wrote:
The posts above about small clan/squad combat has gotten me to thinking. And no that isn't dangerous and no I won't hurt myself. While the smaller combat might be fun, personally i don't think its really what Battlefield is supposed to be about.

I think that it would be pretty damn awesome if we found some platoons that would go 32v32 with us. We have talked about jumping on some squad deathmatch servers or squad rush and wrecking face, which I'm sure we would do. But I feel that we would be even better at a true team based Conq match.

Anyways, those are just my thoughts, and in all likelyhood they would be to scared to fight us anyways.

~Spartan


I think about 16v16 is the largest you can practically shoot for. It's difficult to get everyone from both teams on at a particular time. Besides, most of the maps are optimized for 16v16 combat anyways (like going above that in Rush mode is a bad idea)

Honestly, the combat isn't that different when doing 16 v 16 as opposed to 32 v 32. You generally won't have combat going on as many places at once, but the tendency for 1 or 2 squads to run into each other won't change. You usually don't have more than 8 people in a firefight at a particular time anyways, even on 32 v 32.
Augury
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States758 Posts
November 10 2011 18:59 GMT
#6688
Could we get someone to edit the server info into the top post?
zoltanium
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia171 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 19:18:01
November 10 2011 19:17 GMT
#6689
On November 11 2011 03:25 Little Rage Box wrote:
The posts above about small clan/squad combat has gotten me to thinking. And no that isn't dangerous and no I won't hurt myself. While the smaller combat might be fun, personally i don't think its really what Battlefield is supposed to be about.

BF isnt about large scale warfare, its about utlising the strengths of infantry and all different vehicles to cover each types weakness in both firepower and mobility :D. I have played 8v8,10v10 and 16v16 ladders, and this BF feeling exists in all of them!

To articulate better, everyone watch the battle at 17:00minutes onwards in this video. Quality is shit but basically blue vs red etc
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2350596256844533001
Truly amazing and captures what battlefield is all about.
mate
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
November 10 2011 21:38 GMT
#6690
Went to my friend's house today (stoned if that matters) and played 4 hours of BF3; went from spawning in the very back every time to flying choppers with 4 other people inside to capture points. Most fun I've had in forever. Best fucking game. I need this.

Unfortunately, I've only got a Macbook Pro and an Xbox 360. Should I just buy this game on my Xbox or save up to build a new computer for BF3?
lalala
Dbars
Profile Joined July 2011
United States273 Posts
November 10 2011 21:57 GMT
#6691
On November 11 2011 01:58 RaLakedaimon wrote:
After watching those videos I decided to let loose more in games and focus on having fun and am actually getting loads more kills than normal. A minute ago I had over 3 rounds were I went over 30 kills and under 10 deaths every time, all the while throwing c4 on peoples feet/jihad jeeping/c4'ing vehicles all over the place/knifing it up. I'm amazed I didn't just kick back before like this. I am even getting more flag caps, one reason I think I'm doing better though is that I didn't have IRVN scopes for any support guns (now I do) and those scopes are addicting but also make you slow as hell moving around the map since you "scan" every five or six seconds. No more stiff play for me, all about the fun!




You are now playing BF3 correctly You should find a good blackhawk pilot and drop c4 bombs on peoples head. Did this with a buddy last night, we laughed our asses off for 2 hours straight.
Rybka
Profile Joined March 2010
United States836 Posts
November 10 2011 22:26 GMT
#6692
On November 11 2011 02:15 zoltanium wrote:

Regarding the balance, our team has been flying the stock only no attachments flag in the australian community (we are the minority). If this is the case it works out quite balanced as russia has map advantages but a shittier assault rifle and carbine. Balance will go out the window if F2000/SCAR-H with foregrips are allowed in clan wars lol.


I think it's ok to have weapons that are clearly the best, as long as each class gets one of those weapons such that you don't ditch your class to play another because that class is better due to the presence of one weapon.

TL;DR F2000 is fine, SCAR-H needs to be taken down a notch
"I like winter, you can put a beer outside of the window and come back later to have it nice and cold. But in Belgium, it'd better be the 3rd floor window." -Rowa
Skullflower
Profile Joined July 2010
United States3779 Posts
November 10 2011 22:30 GMT
#6693



This video is amazing :3
The ruminations are mine, let the world be yours.
chocopaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
2072 Posts
November 10 2011 22:37 GMT
#6694
On November 11 2011 07:26 Rybka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2011 02:15 zoltanium wrote:

Regarding the balance, our team has been flying the stock only no attachments flag in the australian community (we are the minority). If this is the case it works out quite balanced as russia has map advantages but a shittier assault rifle and carbine. Balance will go out the window if F2000/SCAR-H with foregrips are allowed in clan wars lol.


I think it's ok to have weapons that are clearly the best, as long as each class gets one of those weapons such that you don't ditch your class to play another because that class is better due to the presence of one weapon.

TL;DR F2000 is fine, SCAR-H needs to be taken down a notch


Is there a consensus for the best assault rifle as there is for the engi with the SCAR-H? It seems like most people swear on the AEK.


Am I the only one who misses bombing runs? Missile pods are cool I guess, but it's not the same as dropping unguided bombs in horizontal flight. :/
http://twitter.com/lechocopaw
Firesilver
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom1190 Posts
November 10 2011 22:41 GMT
#6695
On November 11 2011 07:30 Skullflower wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj_17Uvfwes


This video is amazing :3


Lol, that was a pretty funny montage. I still need to get this game.
Caster at IMBA.tv -- www.twitter.com/IMBAFiresilver -- www.youtube.com/FiresilverTV
Rybka
Profile Joined March 2010
United States836 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 22:55:10
November 10 2011 22:42 GMT
#6696
On November 11 2011 07:37 chocopaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2011 07:26 Rybka wrote:
On November 11 2011 02:15 zoltanium wrote:

Regarding the balance, our team has been flying the stock only no attachments flag in the australian community (we are the minority). If this is the case it works out quite balanced as russia has map advantages but a shittier assault rifle and carbine. Balance will go out the window if F2000/SCAR-H with foregrips are allowed in clan wars lol.


I think it's ok to have weapons that are clearly the best, as long as each class gets one of those weapons such that you don't ditch your class to play another because that class is better due to the presence of one weapon.

TL;DR F2000 is fine, SCAR-H needs to be taken down a notch


Is there a consensus for the best assault rifle as there is for the engi with the SCAR-H? It seems like most people swear on the AEK.


Am I the only one who misses bombing runs? Missile pods are cool I guess, but it's not the same as dropping unguided bombs in horizontal flight. :/




I wish there were unguided bombs

Ok totally misread your post, sry. I would say it's F2000. Once you get proper accessories it really shines above all of the other assault guns. More accurate than AEK imo, and a really high rate of fire.
"I like winter, you can put a beer outside of the window and come back later to have it nice and cold. But in Belgium, it'd better be the 3rd floor window." -Rowa
TunaBarrett
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden1045 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 23:07:36
November 10 2011 22:43 GMT
#6697
On November 11 2011 07:30 Skullflower wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj_17Uvfwes


This video is amazing :3


After having a wretched week, feeling like i could murder someone...you sir, just made my day.

Lol'd so fucking hard.

EDIT* To the above poster, concensus seems to be F2000, which i still havent got though so cant say much about it. M416 is the one i use with IRNV. Accurate and fairly damaging.

*Edit2* watched it again and laughed as hard this time, this guy is my hero.
LaSt)ChAnCe
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States2179 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 23:35:02
November 10 2011 23:27 GMT
#6698
got the third seat in tanks... now i'm gonna work on jets! will be logging on after i eat my pad thai and watch an episode of: Melancholy of TL:DR
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 23:58:05
November 10 2011 23:55 GMT
#6699
On November 11 2011 02:15 zoltanium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 23:39 Tufas wrote:
Nothing can beat BF:V, sadly it is completely dead in europe since 2006-7 ...

So. My old squad told me that they are coming together for BF3 - but I have some questions.

In a clanwar :

-What weapons do you play with ? Is everything unlocked ? Only the stuff you previously unlocked ? Is everything locked ? Obviously it has to be the same setting for all or this game is of absolutely no interest to me.

- Are the maps too big for 8v8 or do they play out good enough for that.

- Should I wait for a patch or is it fairly balanced ...

Thanks.

Hey man, our team has been scrimming twice a night on most nights so I think i have a good grasp on how BF3 plays out in the competitive environment.(played bf2 and 2142 at the top level in clans etcetc). The big vehicle maps are too big to work for 8v8 in my opinion. Our team has been scrimming in the following format

-10v10
-All maps on conquest small mode, apart from bazaar which is set on 64p with tickets adjusted
-Stock Weapons only, no attachments,
-All vehicle perks bar thermal optics allowed

Suprisingly 10v10 works pretty well on caspian and firestorm, despite being large vehicle maps. Even though there are a lot of vehicles, we only run 1 person in the jet just as anti helicopter role on these big maps. I defintely get that BF vibe where your infantry and vehicles form into this cohesive team where you push flags together and then settle into tight lockdowns once you get the bleed (No capouts unfortunately ). Taking out armour on the infantry maps is really interesting due to the overpowered repair rate from engy sluts, you basically have to synchronise your AT and own armour fire at the same time to take it down.

Seine small CQ is an awesome map to play, such a highly tactical map because of the high ground that reminds me of mashtuur 16p in BF2. I think the smaller infantry maps would defintely work for 8v8, but not for vehicle maps.

Regarding the balance, our team has been flying the stock only no attachments flag in the australian community (we are the minority). If this is the case it works out quite balanced as russia has map advantages but a shittier assault rifle and carbine. Balance will go out the window if F2000/SCAR-H with foregrips are allowed in clan wars lol.


Thanks for this post, I've been interested in what battlefield looks like from a clan-based perspective for a while.

What do you mean stock only, though? As in nothing but M4/M16/M249/Mk 11? Surely, "weapon balance is fine if we use absolutely none of the alternative weapons" is a bit of a silly statement.

That's kind of like saying starcraft 2 would be balanced so long as you only allow T1. I understand that it might make sense and work well (unlike using only T1 lol), but if you have to do that to make it competitive the game sure as hell isn't balanced.

Also I'd always expected the engineer repair thing to be utterly broken if you ever found people willing to just sit there and camp-repair your tank. Does that cause real problems if you have two teams doing it? And what's your normal class breakdown for your team?
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-11 00:05:08
November 11 2011 00:03 GMT
#6700
Relevant to the "best assault rifle" discussion; the AEK's actual rpm is apparently 900; it's reported wrong in-game. Demize confirmed this on his twitter. This gives it the fastest ttk of all the assault rifles; better than the F2k.

I'd always thought that gun felt like sex; now I know why.
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