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CoffeeJelly
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada53 Posts
November 07 2010 02:14 GMT
#201
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=138038

Please go to that thread to discuss why pc > console or console > pc etc.
Everybody gets so much information all day long that they lose their common sense.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
November 07 2010 02:27 GMT
#202
CoffeeJelly said it, but this is the official warning. Keep the PC vs. console talk out of here unless it's specifically about Black Ops.

You've been warned.
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Pobearo
Profile Joined August 2009
United States351 Posts
November 07 2010 02:45 GMT
#203
I really don't know where I stand when it comes to black ops. I played CoD4 to death, and pretty much loved it, but then I got MW2 at launch and hated it. There's so many campers and noob tubers and douchebags yelling into their mics, and I'm sure that's going to carry over into black ops. On the other hand the unlock system the graphics and the gameplay look so good.

I'm definitely not getting it on the 9th I'll probably end up waiting a few weeks to see how everything goes, and maybe buy a used version.
SayaSP
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Laos5494 Posts
November 07 2010 02:51 GMT
#204
I'm kinda getting this one because its basically updated MW2, and a bunch of friends I used to play with are getting it, so yeah.
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FuryX
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia495 Posts
November 07 2010 02:58 GMT
#205
On November 07 2010 11:45 Pobearo wrote:
I really don't know where I stand when it comes to black ops. I played CoD4 to death, and pretty much loved it, but then I got MW2 at launch and hated it. There's so many campers and noob tubers and douchebags yelling into their mics, and I'm sure that's going to carry over into black ops. On the other hand the unlock system the graphics and the gameplay look so good.

I'm definitely not getting it on the 9th I'll probably end up waiting a few weeks to see how everything goes, and maybe buy a used version.


Mate admins can now ban/kick players from the server. So people abusing mics/hackers/etc will get a big ban hammer / response faster than VAC 1-2 month bans.

Ontop of that replays can be viewed again so you can submit replays/steamid etc like the old fasion way and admins will watch the replay/ban hackers.

MW2 was something that would have been an amazing game but fell on its head at birth and came out with some birth defects.
Philip2110
Profile Joined April 2010
Scotland798 Posts
November 07 2010 03:15 GMT
#206
On November 07 2010 11:58 FuryX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 11:45 Pobearo wrote:
I really don't know where I stand when it comes to black ops. I played CoD4 to death, and pretty much loved it, but then I got MW2 at launch and hated it. There's so many campers and noob tubers and douchebags yelling into their mics, and I'm sure that's going to carry over into black ops. On the other hand the unlock system the graphics and the gameplay look so good.

I'm definitely not getting it on the 9th I'll probably end up waiting a few weeks to see how everything goes, and maybe buy a used version.


Mate admins can now ban/kick players from the server. So people abusing mics/hackers/etc will get a big ban hammer / response faster than VAC 1-2 month bans.

Ontop of that replays can be viewed again so you can submit replays/steamid etc like the old fasion way and admins will watch the replay/ban hackers.

MW2 was something that would have been an amazing game but fell on its head at birth and came out with some birth defects.


Agreed, the game was good, had flaws like all games but it was the community that abused these flaws and made mw2 crappy to play at times. If you get in a good game without the twats messing around with noobtubes its a good game. Hopefully there wont be anything very wrong with black ops that can be abused. Im a bit pissed off at how much treyarch have messed around with sniping though.
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Filo
Profile Joined September 2010
United States54 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 03:28:50
November 07 2010 03:16 GMT
#207
Mate admins can now ban/kick players from the server. So people abusing mics/hackers/etc will get a big ban hammer / response faster than VAC 1-2 month bans.

Ontop of that replays can be viewed again so you can submit replays/steamid etc like the old fasion way and admins will watch the replay/ban hackers.

MW2 was something that would have been an amazing game but fell on its head at birth and came out with some birth defects.


You can only kick/ban players from a server if you or a friend own the server, and you have to pay for your own server. Paying for the ability to kick annoying people is not worth it.

I agree with your second point that this will be very useful. But I don't understand who you would send the replays to, to get the player banned. Also seeing how diligent hackers were dealt with in MW2, I've got a feeling they won't be to quick about it.

Lastly your right about MW2, but all of it's problems could've been fixed, they just chose not to.

On November 07 2010 12:15 Philip2110 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 11:58 FuryX wrote:
On November 07 2010 11:45 Pobearo wrote:
I really don't know where I stand when it comes to black ops. I played CoD4 to death, and pretty much loved it, but then I got MW2 at launch and hated it. There's so many campers and noob tubers and douchebags yelling into their mics, and I'm sure that's going to carry over into black ops. On the other hand the unlock system the graphics and the gameplay look so good.

I'm definitely not getting it on the 9th I'll probably end up waiting a few weeks to see how everything goes, and maybe buy a used version.


Mate admins can now ban/kick players from the server. So people abusing mics/hackers/etc will get a big ban hammer / response faster than VAC 1-2 month bans.

Ontop of that replays can be viewed again so you can submit replays/steamid etc like the old fasion way and admins will watch the replay/ban hackers.

MW2 was something that would have been an amazing game but fell on its head at birth and came out with some birth defects.


Agreed, the game was good, had flaws like all games but it was the community that abused these flaws and made mw2 crappy to play at times. If you get in a good game without the twats messing around with noobtubes its a good game. Hopefully there wont be anything very wrong with black ops that can be abused. Im a bit pissed off at how much treyarch have messed around with sniping though.


That's not really fair, it shouldn't be up to the community to make a game good. They should sort out problems before they send them out, or fix them at a reasonable pace. Expecting a bunch of people to not use something cheap and imbalanced isn't going to happen. If they made battle cruisers do 20 damage a shot and have 1000 hp, some people would realize they are unfair and not use them, but the majority would just rush to them and win every time.

I also don't really mind the changes to sniping, in MW2 it was kind of ridiculous how fast someone could scope up and kill you. Just means it will be more challenging to snipe, closer to that of Cod4.
yakitate304
Profile Joined April 2009
United States655 Posts
November 07 2010 03:28 GMT
#208
On November 07 2010 10:03 Glasse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 09:49 yakitate304 wrote:
On November 07 2010 09:09 Glasse wrote:
On November 07 2010 08:44 Ferrose wrote:
On November 07 2010 08:40 IamTheWhiteGuy wrote:
On November 05 2010 16:14 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On November 05 2010 15:24 IamTheWhiteGuy wrote:
On November 05 2010 04:57 floor exercise wrote:
I'll probably risk buying a cheap key from some shady russian website when the game is out. Cod4 was fun, never played MW2.

As far as server size it was hard to find good pubs in cod4 but that was only because people insisted on playing horrible modes like HC. There were some decent 20ish player domination and HQ servers and stuff that served very well to practice. I don't understand the comment about how you can't find a pub with the same number of slots that people played the game competitively at so it was flawed. if you want to play some pick up form there is always a place where you go to find pugs. You can still play and skill up on regular pubs as long as the regulars aren't awful

The maps definitely couldn't handle 32 players though, those were absolute clusterfucks.

Also good call on editing out that line about "FPS games are better on console for 99% of the players" IamTheWhiteGuy


If I edited that out, it was an accident.

They are.

Do you know how long it takes to find a PUG on my Xbox? 11 seconds.

Autoaim has been fine tuned so well these days I don't miss the mouse KB at all. Do you know how long it takes to find a PUG to play a 6v6 match of CoD 4?

HOURS. HOURS and HOURS and HOURS.

For the creme de la creme playing serious clan scrims against other players on big LANs to drop latency down to single digits, consoles are lol. For everyone around my skill (which is, I assure you, considerable), playing an FPS like Call of Duty on the PC these days is a colossal waste of time.

You get less of what you want, and you get to search for it, and the tradeoff is a bunch of worthless bull **** that appeals to no one and results in hair being torn out as people hurl their frags into guaranteed kill locations or you get sniped by one of the 10 people on the other team who sit in a corner and each post a kill every two minutes.

As for " I don't understand the comment about how you can't find a pub with the same number of slots that people played the game competitively at so it was flawed" I literally cannot be any clearer. If you can't wrap your brain around that, then just drop it.


your obviously still playing cod4 vanilla on pc
for the real pc experience, rollout some of the promod servers and stay far away from mw2
considerable skill on console still makes you a noob on pc

also; sigh taking pride in needing the autoaim


I don't need the autoaim. I can hang with the best of them, and I've played a shitload of promod. My conclusion after two years was that it sucks and destroys the balance of the game as a whole in the name of having a stripped down ultra-specific competitive shooter. Again, if you're that guy who actually drives a few hundred miles to participate in a LAN tournament, it's for you, but I like using a gun that isn't the AK74u.

They just pulled out all the features that make CoD fun. Is it less luck based? Absolutely. Is there a higher skill ceiling. I'm not convinced, but probably there is. Is it more fun? Nope. Not by a longshot.

If you aren't driving down to play at MLG or you don't routinely build a machine from parts you got from newegg every two years, PC FPS gaming is not for you.

I can now throw down with my casual buddies on the PS3 or Xbox, and I can find the match I'm looking for within the time it takes me to go grab a glass of water (which I can do, since I don't need to go looking through the server list for one that isn't total garbage).


Now, granted, we're on team liquid, where probably a good percentage of the people here ARE the kind that are going to get the most mileage out of a PC copy, but you have to appreciate that you are in such a vanishingly small minority that, while your elite uber skillzz and general philosophy of online gaming may lend themselves to promod, that's not everyone.


This. I hate PC gaming. I'd rather just buy an Xbox for a one time charge of $300 than spend a shitton on my PC every few years, just to lose games because a richer guy has a better computer than I do.

And if liking console shooters over PC shooters makes me a retard, then I'm fine with that.


All of you bringing up the price of pc everytime there is a console vs pc thing is so fucking dumb. a 600$ pc today can run most games on high for a few years, WHILE BEING ABLE TO DO EVERYTHING A COMPUTER CAN DO. You still bought a computer right? you are posting from it. Why not pay a lil bit more and get something amazing and be able to do EVERYTHING with much more customization while your console sits there in front of your tv and not being able to do shit with it.

Console could be a decent alternative if you could use mouse and keyboard. controllers are way 2 bad for anything other than fighting games.

Also if you wanna talk about prices.. games are much cheaper on pc ( not talking about money hungry activision, that's an exception because they think pc players are as dumb as console players)


Controllers, in my opinion, are the far superior method for playing FPS games. Point & Click with a mouse (that doesn't vibrate) is just too easy to accurately portray the precision and stability required to aim and shoot a gun. I think that pulling the trigger, and having the controller give vibrating feedback that throws you off while making pinpoint adjustments with the sticks, is a much more organic feeling for FPS. Keyboard/mouse has always made FPS games uninteresting for me.

So I cannot wait for Black Ops, since it has the option to play with Aim Assist off.


if you want terrible controls but more immersive just get a novint falcon for your pc. problem solved, pc still superior. Also i doubt you'll turn off aim assist


Yes, I will. I played the MW2 campaign on whatever the hardest setting is called, with assist turned off, and it felt much more natural to me because I didn't have the assist swerving my aim. With it turned off, if I miss a shot, I know the adjustment that I need to make and can make it immediately. That option is actually one of the things I'm looking forward to the most in Black Ops. I'm sure most people will keep it on, or possibly not even know that they can turn it off.

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FuryX
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia495 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 03:36:44
November 07 2010 03:33 GMT
#209
On November 07 2010 12:15 Philip2110 wrote:
Im a bit pissed off at how much treyarch have messed around with sniping though.


Well it has no effect on the PC since there is no Aim Assist.

On November 07 2010 12:16 Filo wrote:
I agree with your second point that this will be very useful. But I don't understand who you would send the replays to, to get the player banned. Also seeing how diligent hackers were dealt with in MW2, I've got a feeling they won't be to quick about it


Well for PC, the servers for Australia are going to be managed by Internode, they have a forum/etc and a section to upload replays files.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
November 07 2010 03:36 GMT
#210
On November 07 2010 12:16 Filo wrote:
Show nested quote +
Mate admins can now ban/kick players from the server. So people abusing mics/hackers/etc will get a big ban hammer / response faster than VAC 1-2 month bans.

Ontop of that replays can be viewed again so you can submit replays/steamid etc like the old fasion way and admins will watch the replay/ban hackers.

MW2 was something that would have been an amazing game but fell on its head at birth and came out with some birth defects.


You can only kick/ban players from a server if you or a friend own the server, and you have to pay for your own server. Paying for the ability to kick annoying people is not worth it.

I agree with your second point that this will be very useful. But I don't understand who you would send the replays to, to get the player banned. Also seeing how diligent hackers were dealt with in MW2, I've got a feeling they won't be to quick about it.

Did you play CS at all? I presume with mods being available, the same serverside support would be available as well. Sharable admins/privileges as well as vote kicks/bans.

As for the cheaters, you'd have public blacklists, although shouldn't Steam take care of that?
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IamTheWhiteGuy
Profile Joined September 2010
United States93 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 03:46:15
November 07 2010 03:36 GMT
#211
Edited to observe PC vs. console warning.

On the topic of Black Ops, I was concerned at first that it would feel old timey since it's set in the cold war era, but after looking at the weapon list, there is some seriously neat stuff on there.

I'm particularly interested in this HK11 or whatever the futuristic looking 3 round burst rifle is.
The core gamer is the bastard middle child of the casual and hardcore gamer. He invests the former's effort and cries when he doesn't get the latter's results.
FuryX
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia495 Posts
November 07 2010 03:43 GMT
#212
On November 07 2010 12:36 IamTheWhiteGuy wrote:

This is utter nonsense.

A $600 PC does not look as good as a $400 console. It just doesn't.

When Crysis 2 comes out on consoles, it's going to look drop dead gorgeous and run with a totally acceptable framerate. In no way is this going to happen on a $600 PC.

Besides, this idea that PC gaming is cheap depends on shopping for deals, lots of technical know how, an intimidating building process, and the goddamn wherewithal and time and effort to **piece together your own machine bit by bit**, not to mention that windows 7 ALONE immediately kicks that bare bones PC up to $800.

Your console doesn't require any of this. It requires no maitenance, no smart usage, no computer literacy, no installation times (mostly), no server filters, no nothing. It just works.



Not sure why you would pay 200USD for W7, you can get the OEM version as you buy your new computer for a fraction of the price.

Surprisingly building a computer is pretty easy. Sure you need to know some basic knowledge in computers (This is 2011....people should know the basics by now). There are tech forums where you can get friendly advice, and building it your self is pretty easy. The instructions are very easy to follow.

When i build my first PC (With just basic pc knowledge) i was so surprised at how easy it was for me to set everything up. The instructions were so dam easy to follow, and you can't really plug anything in the wrong way since every connector is unique...its just impossible to insert it the wrong way unless you bruteforce it in.

I am not sure about what your whining about server filters..you make it sound like it needs rocket science to join a server. Infact it is way more easier/quicker to join on the PC than in MW2 4 me.

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wideye
Profile Joined June 2010
United States209 Posts
November 07 2010 03:54 GMT
#213
what things are so imba in mw2? i could use the help ...
slim pickens
IamTheWhiteGuy
Profile Joined September 2010
United States93 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 03:55:27
November 07 2010 03:54 GMT
#214
On November 07 2010 12:43 FuryX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 12:36 IamTheWhiteGuy wrote:

This is utter nonsense.

A $600 PC does not look as good as a $400 console. It just doesn't.

When Crysis 2 comes out on consoles, it's going to look drop dead gorgeous and run with a totally acceptable framerate. In no way is this going to happen on a $600 PC.

Besides, this idea that PC gaming is cheap depends on shopping for deals, lots of technical know how, an intimidating building process, and the goddamn wherewithal and time and effort to **piece together your own machine bit by bit**, not to mention that windows 7 ALONE immediately kicks that bare bones PC up to $800.

Your console doesn't require any of this. It requires no maitenance, no smart usage, no computer literacy, no installation times (mostly), no server filters, no nothing. It just works.



Not sure why you would pay 200USD for W7, you can get the OEM version as you buy your new computer for a fraction of the price.

Surprisingly building a computer is pretty easy. Sure you need to know some basic knowledge in computers (This is 2011....people should know the basics by now). There are tech forums where you can get friendly advice, and building it your self is pretty easy. The instructions are very easy to follow.

When i build my first PC (With just basic pc knowledge) i was so surprised at how easy it was for me to set everything up. The instructions were so dam easy to follow, and you can't really plug anything in the wrong way since every connector is unique...its just impossible to insert it the wrong way unless you bruteforce it in.

I am not sure about what your whining about server filters..you make it sound like it needs rocket science to join a server. Infact it is way more easier/quicker to join on the PC than in MW2 4 me.


I'll ignore all the PC vs. console stuff, but suffice to say with OEM you're looking at 100 instead of 200 and I have strong opinions on the rest of the stuff you've said.

As for your bullshit about MW2, no fucking shit sherlock.

MW2 ALREADY uses the exact same goddamn system on both console and PC. For some reason, of course, everyone hates this, despite the fact that it consistently places you in <50ms games with the proper number of players with an extremely low wait time.

I'm talking about CoD 4, WaW, and theoretically Black Ops. These have used a standard PC browser which make you filter the shit out of the server list to avoid being saturated in 32 player fuck fests. Then you get to pick over the under 20 servers with 12 people in the hopes that they aren't full or offline, which invariably they almost always are.

If past performance is any indication, the PC version will be the place to go if you are one of those semi-pro gamer types. Otherwise you sacrifice nothing and stand to gain much by playing the console version.
The core gamer is the bastard middle child of the casual and hardcore gamer. He invests the former's effort and cries when he doesn't get the latter's results.
IamTheWhiteGuy
Profile Joined September 2010
United States93 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 03:58:45
November 07 2010 03:57 GMT
#215
On November 07 2010 12:54 wideye wrote:
what things are so imba in mw2? i could use the help ...


Lots of people who never figured out how to use Sitrep Pro or Heart Beat Sensors believe commando is imba.

Lots of people who never figured out how to shoot and kill a motherfucker believe that OMA and noob tube are imba.

The riot shield is too weak, blast shield does too little, the Desert Eagle is fucked, the ACR needs more recoil, and the UMP is far too powerful at range. Semtex is so much better than frag grenades that you should never bother with frags.

Scavenger is too good.
Ninja pro is too good.
Sitrep Pro is too good.
The AA-12 with extended mags is too good.

I could go on. The game isn't as balanced as it should be, but it's very good.
The core gamer is the bastard middle child of the casual and hardcore gamer. He invests the former's effort and cries when he doesn't get the latter's results.
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
November 07 2010 04:01 GMT
#216
On November 07 2010 12:54 wideye wrote:
what things are so imba in mw2? i could use the help ...


Perks like One Man Army, and many of the killstreaks (like Chopper Gunner).

And I might just get this Tuesday on impulse. I was planning to wait until Christmas (so I didn't have to spend my money on it lol), but reading and posting in this thread really makes me want it.
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FuryX
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia495 Posts
November 07 2010 04:04 GMT
#217
On November 07 2010 12:54 wideye wrote:
what things are so imba in mw2? i could use the help ...


One Man Army/Danger Close/What eva + Tubes....
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
November 07 2010 04:11 GMT
#218
On November 07 2010 12:57 IamTheWhiteGuy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 12:54 wideye wrote:
what things are so imba in mw2? i could use the help ...


Lots of people who never figured out how to use Sitrep Pro or Heart Beat Sensors believe commando is imba.

Lots of people who never figured out how to shoot and kill a motherfucker believe that OMA and noob tube are imba.

The riot shield is too weak, blast shield does too little, the Desert Eagle is fucked, the ACR needs more recoil, and the UMP is far too powerful at range. Semtex is so much better than frag grenades that you should never bother with frags.

Scavenger is too good.
Ninja pro is too good.
Sitrep Pro is too good.
The AA-12 with extended mags is too good.

I could go on. The game isn't as balanced as it should be, but it's very good.


I completely forgot how they nerfed the crap out of the Deagle. I was so disappointed.

So I usually stuck to the M9. I prefer semi-auto weapons. In CoD 4 I almost exclusively used the G3.
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Vortok
Profile Joined December 2009
United States830 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 06:11:12
November 07 2010 06:10 GMT
#219
Sniping should be interesting, random bitch videos about the classified AR aside (essentially a M16 with a sniper scope). It was kinda annoying that you could get counter sniped across the map by ARs and SMGs. Now that the ADS on snipers has been slowed again (or rather, no SoH speed scoping), along with the crosshairs being offcenter briefly when you scope in (to stop quickscoping or something, apparently people think they'll just dragscope more), it kinda depends on how good the other guns are. If they have really low recoil and thus kill really quick it might be a little frustrating.

At least for those of us who have less than uber connections and above average hand-eye but not amazing "I can put them dead center screen in 0.2 seconds every time" aiming ability. Hopefully there isn't a gun like the Intervention that has bullshit level aim assist on it. Watched a video showing the guns. Last sniper has exact recoil that the Barrett has. First two have practically none. Other one is the bolt action one that appeared to zoom out after each shot, which is kinda interesting I suppose.
Rebornlife
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada224 Posts
November 07 2010 06:38 GMT
#220
Im kinda confused about all the aim-assist everyone is talking about in mw2. (I had 360 version not pc)
Are you guys talking about that annoying as fuck thing that when someone runs across your vision, it pulls the scope towards them? i to be honest found it did more evil than good. How many times are you lining up a shot, then another enemy runs across and takes your sight off your target? Man it pissed me off. Idk about you guys but the AA never really helped me at all?
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