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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
January 06 2011 09:30 GMT
#1241
oh by the way you can take me off the inactive list
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Monokeros
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States2493 Posts
January 06 2011 11:44 GMT
#1242
anyone online that can invite me to the guild? username "Furashukikku"
Keep the Dream Alive twitch.tv/monokerros
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-06 17:10:45
January 06 2011 17:06 GMT
#1243
You're going to showa, in world tour to buy a bathrobe. Then you can get 100% overall dex from the scroll seller (vega?) in orbis tower, or the guy in the kerning swamps. Post-bb I'm not entirely sure how to get to the kerning guy, but I know he still exists. Good Luck. Check out hidden-street's maps.

Also, it might be a lot easier to just add base dex on your bandit. As long as you account for pendant, zhelm, the base dex on your top, base on Bottom + bottomwear dex, base on shoes + shoe jump scrolls, belt, glasses, rings and medal, EVERYTHING else can be scrolled for luk instead of dex. This is endgame accounting, too. So I figure (with my 60 base)...

22 dex (HTP)
18 dex (dex scar)
8 dex (green pirate top + maker)
16 dex (green pirate bottoms + maker + scrolls)
10 dex (my shoes, which I found. 5 of that is potential)
6 dex (blue belt. Probably gonna go for red since my potential is junk, 6 str)
7 dex (my glasses. 6 from Pot)
12 dex (lv 17 evo ring, 2 zombie rings, adventurer/lillin/resistance ring)
2 dex (mush kingdom medal)

With my 60 base, this is 161 dex - If I end up with a black belt some day, I'll even scroll it for luk instead of dex and I'm at perfectly enough for a reverse. This leaves me to scroll an earring, cape, and my helm (helm will be the last thing you scroll, as it requires those new "armour for -stat-" 60%'s for Luk, all of my potential except for shoes and glasses are open to be % luk, If I were 25 base, I would need 10 dex earrings and a 15 dex cape (I'm getting these stats "back" in luk anyway) and I would need to make up 10 dex somewhere (black belt + czak + better shoes?).

saying you're 25 base sounds pretty cool, but by accounting for the base stats given by equips and the very few things you cannot scroll for luk rather than dex (bottoms and shoes. Helm is easier to scroll for dex than luk.) you can get just as many stats out of your character by being a higher base. I'm not even accounting for maple warrior here, wherethe higher your base the more stats you recieve. Plus, luk scrolls are cheaper.
Enderbantoo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States465 Posts
January 06 2011 22:48 GMT
#1244
The main difference now though, is the higher your BASE luk, the more % stats,and maple warrior affect you. That is the main difference with statting for luk vs. scrolling, which scrolling for dex allows you to do. So potentially, if all your potential was % luk, and all scrolling was for dex. That is higher than % luk scrolling for luk with higher base dex.
At the biggest upset of all of bw, Shanghai SPL finals 2011
Elvex
Profile Joined August 2010
United States191 Posts
January 06 2011 22:58 GMT
#1245
That, and with good equips, you'd overshoot 160 pretty easily if you had a high base.

Although, you could say that the gains from mw/% are minimal, and base dex is weighed more heavily than dex from equips in terms of stabilizing your damage, at least that's how it is for nls.
BrTarolg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom3574 Posts
January 06 2011 23:37 GMT
#1246
I actually do question the validity of going omfgcrazy for stats etc.

I think the MOST important stuff is atk and %age items, imho losing 2 levels worth of stats (10 dex) is not too big of a deal, especailly if oyu can get 2% luk instead (which is way better)
XinRan
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States530 Posts
January 07 2011 00:20 GMT
#1247
i agree with Vincent. Funding potentialed equipment and weapon attack is the biggest factor in determining damage.
"To be fair, Kal played like absolute garbage. His noted inconsistency and bad record versus Jaedong high fived into a cacophony of suck." - TwoToneTerran
BrTarolg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom3574 Posts
January 07 2011 02:53 GMT
#1248
Btw ive removed the guild list for now, im going to update it over a while tho since im back in uk
awesomoboi
Profile Joined April 2010
United States42 Posts
January 07 2011 03:55 GMT
#1249
Made a char in Demethos, 'BanShouRen'.
Would love adds and a guild invite

p.s.
What's the Teamspeak channel we use?
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
January 07 2011 04:08 GMT
#1250
On January 07 2011 12:55 awesomoboi wrote:
Made a char in Demethos, 'BanShouRen'.
Would love adds and a guild invite

p.s.
What's the Teamspeak channel we use?

It's TL Maplestory, but we usually hang out in one of the sub channels.
God Bless
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
January 07 2011 04:18 GMT
#1251
Hey guys, I can start playing now that apps and stuff are over :D

Any suggestions for class?
:)
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-07 04:33:45
January 07 2011 04:32 GMT
#1252
On January 07 2011 07:58 UberBaller wrote:
That, and with good equips, you'd overshoot 160 pretty easily if you had a high base.


Explain to me how the things I have listed are not good equips please. 100 dex from equips is quite a lot, imo. The things I listed you can squeeze maybe 2-4 dex out of each, totaling up to ~10 dex. If you can figure out a way to get 16 dex out of those listed items without some ridiculous medal, or 60%'s on a black belt please tell me. That means you can switch out HTP for an MoN, saving ~380mill and dozens of cubes.

As for the higher base... I'm arguing that you don't lose anything of significance the 35 difference base luk that you're losing. Even someone with 50% luk potential and level 19 maple warrior, is only gaining 21 extra luk. the 35 dex is the difference between equipping a reverse (and we all know how imba those can get. I'm looking at you elvex) and equipping a Black Mamba. Given that choice, I'm adding base.

On January 07 2011 07:58 UberBaller wrote:
Although, you could say that the gains from mw/% are minimal, and base dex is weighed more heavily than dex from equips in terms of stabilizing your damage, at least that's how it is for nls.


The gains ARE minimal. But the second part of that statement is, at least to my knowledge wrong. Dex is dex, whether it comes from base, scrolls, potential or MW. Also, dex doesn't "stabilize" as min damage is a factor of mastery% * max damage.

On January 07 2011 08:37 BrTarolg wrote:
I actually do question the validity of going omfgcrazy for stats etc.

I think the MOST important stuff is atk and %age items, imho losing 2 levels worth of stats (10 dex) is not too big of a deal, especailly if oyu can get 2% luk instead (which is way better)


Yeah, when money comes in to play on all this it's CLEARLY better to purchase a 3% luk earring than it is to get an extra 10 dex from your equips. Unless you temporarily need a 10 dex earring to equip your newest weapon.

W.atk > % luk > flat luk/base luk > flat dex/base dex > % dex in terms of increasing NL damage, I think.
XXGeneration
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States625 Posts
January 07 2011 04:54 GMT
#1253
On January 07 2011 13:18 synapse wrote:
Hey guys, I can start playing now that apps and stuff are over :D

Any suggestions for class?


Don't make anything but an explorer :D

I love crossbowmen so much.
"I was so surprised when I first played StarCraft 2. I couldn't believe that such an easy game exists... I guess the best way to attract people these days is to make things easy and simple." -Midas
XinRan
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States530 Posts
January 07 2011 05:12 GMT
#1254
Just don't make a Cygnus. You'll regret making one if you hit level 120 and want to keep playing.
"To be fair, Kal played like absolute garbage. His noted inconsistency and bad record versus Jaedong high fived into a cacophony of suck." - TwoToneTerran
Enderbantoo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States465 Posts
January 07 2011 05:20 GMT
#1255
On January 07 2011 13:32 phyre112 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 07 2011 07:58 UberBaller wrote:
That, and with good equips, you'd overshoot 160 pretty easily if you had a high base.


Explain to me how the things I have listed are not good equips please. 100 dex from equips is quite a lot, imo. The things I listed you can squeeze maybe 2-4 dex out of each, totaling up to ~10 dex. If you can figure out a way to get 16 dex out of those listed items without some ridiculous medal, or 60%'s on a black belt please tell me. That means you can switch out HTP for an MoN, saving ~380mill and dozens of cubes.

As for the higher base... I'm arguing that you don't lose anything of significance the 35 difference base luk that you're losing. Even someone with 50% luk potential and level 19 maple warrior, is only gaining 21 extra luk. the 35 dex is the difference between equipping a reverse (and we all know how imba those can get. I'm looking at you elvex) and equipping a Black Mamba. Given that choice, I'm adding base.

On January 07 2011 07:58 UberBaller wrote:
Although, you could say that the gains from mw/% are minimal, and base dex is weighed more heavily than dex from equips in terms of stabilizing your damage, at least that's how it is for nls.


The gains ARE minimal. But the second part of that statement is, at least to my knowledge wrong. Dex is dex, whether it comes from base, scrolls, potential or MW. Also, dex doesn't "stabilize" as min damage is a factor of mastery% * max damage.

On January 07 2011 08:37 BrTarolg wrote:
I actually do question the validity of going omfgcrazy for stats etc.

I think the MOST important stuff is atk and %age items, imho losing 2 levels worth of stats (10 dex) is not too big of a deal, especailly if oyu can get 2% luk instead (which is way better)


Yeah, when money comes in to play on all this it's CLEARLY better to purchase a 3% luk earring than it is to get an extra 10 dex from your equips. Unless you temporarily need a 10 dex earring to equip your newest weapon.

W.atk > % luk > flat luk/base luk > flat dex/base dex > % dex in terms of increasing NL damage, I think.


When you are talking about "most bang for buck" i agree wholeheartedly.... but if you are talking about the most bang you can get, scrolling for dex > scrolling for luk every single time. The least base dex while still maintaining highest % luk you can get, wins every time. And HTP>MoN in end game scenario.
At the biggest upset of all of bw, Shanghai SPL finals 2011
protoss_machine
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada47 Posts
January 07 2011 05:33 GMT
#1256
I've played this game for quite some time. Paid $55 in total for nx cash and I realized something.

Eventually, the game will bore you to death and when you quit, you have learned absolutely nothing. Not a dam thing.

At least when you play starcraft, you have to be quick and very smart and multi-task all at the same time. Maplestory is just like click........click.........click........a......b......click. Starcraft is like CLICK/CLICK/CLICK/CLICK/CLICK/CLICK/CLICK/HOTKEYS/CLICKCLICK/HOTKEYS.

You pretty much cannot let your guard down for a second, even if your in the lead.

But ya, don't try maple cause you'll get addicted and then soon realize how retarded it is
Once you master the protoss, there's nothin stopping you
Rendercase
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1 Post
January 07 2011 21:06 GMT
#1257
I'm definitely interested in joining this guild on both characters. Rendur is my main (127 db), Rendurr is my alt (85 BaM). Couldn't find anyone online non-afk.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
January 07 2011 22:29 GMT
#1258
Hiya, whisper me (RofflesTL) and I'll send ya a guild invite. I whispered you but you were afk.
God Bless
.Aar
Profile Joined September 2010
2177 Posts
January 08 2011 00:13 GMT
#1259
I just had to say this:

Wild Hunters are ridiculously fun. I made mine in Scania though; I might remake in Demethos but I don't feel like doing all those quests again..

AND OH MY GOD THEY LET YOU START WITH FACE/HAIR THAT YOU'D NORMALLY HAVE TO GET NX FOR AND THE STARTER OVERALL/WEAPONS ARE AWESOME.
now run into the setting sun, and suffer, but don't mess up your hair.
Elvex
Profile Joined August 2010
United States191 Posts
January 08 2011 02:22 GMT
#1260
Lets see

You can get 10-15 dex pot from just about any item you listed there cheaply, which is worth it if you're too poor to afford %luk or can't find %luk on those items. And MW alone will add 5(6?) dex on top of your 60 base, which allows you to base 55 and still do fine.

If you based 25, you can get 10 dex pac, 10 dex earrings, upgrade your shoes (5-6 base, scroll to 8-9, 5 from pot = 14 dex), and 5 from MW. That gets you past 160 with a 25 base pretty easily...
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