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kookookachoo
Profile Joined March 2010
United States20 Posts
November 03 2011 05:07 GMT
#1881
Well, I've done more Mage testing and yes it can be laggy at times. There is a cool feature where you [Control + OK] to yield for the rest of the turn. That and taking some of your stops of in the preferences seems to be working great for me. Hopefully with a few more updates It'll be the go to. Still need to try the draft mode
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
November 03 2011 06:28 GMT
#1882
Have you guys seen the Grimgrin combo with Necrotic Ooze and Bloodline Keeper? It's the worst combo deck ever, but it is one you can play in standard.

http://starcitygames.com/events/coverage/deck_tech_ooze_combo_with_jaco.html

I built the deck today for the low low price of 8.50, mostly because I had access to everything else but the Grimgrins. The deck is still pretty cheap outside of the manabase though. Most likely pretty easy to build tickets wise on modo too, but I can't actually check.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
November 03 2011 06:53 GMT
#1883
On November 03 2011 14:07 kookookachoo wrote:
Well, I've done more Mage testing and yes it can be laggy at times. There is a cool feature where you [Control + OK] to yield for the rest of the turn. That and taking some of your stops of in the preferences seems to be working great for me. Hopefully with a few more updates It'll be the go to. Still need to try the draft mode


I tried a sealed draft, and the interface for deck building is pretty nice, they use they same format as modo so it is more convenient. I'll need to look more at the kotkeys and what not, though the game is only as fast as your opponent.

On November 03 2011 15:28 Cixah wrote:
Have you guys seen the Grimgrin combo with Necrotic Ooze and Bloodline Keeper? It's the worst combo deck ever, but it is one you can play in standard.

http://starcitygames.com/events/coverage/deck_tech_ooze_combo_with_jaco.html

I built the deck today for the low low price of 8.50, mostly because I had access to everything else but the Grimgrins. The deck is still pretty cheap outside of the manabase though. Most likely pretty easy to build tickets wise on modo too, but I can't actually check.


Pages 87 onward, in between all the MBI talk
Together but separate, like oatmeal
dignity
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada908 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-03 07:45:55
November 03 2011 07:08 GMT
#1884
I think we discussed pretty much all the decks that are currently popular or gaining popularity here already that are worth discussing.

I think its about time we dissected Wolf run ramp. How do we kill plan to kill wolf run ramp. Currently I am finding the idea of redirecting a wolf run activation to your spellskite hilarious.
MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
November 03 2011 11:06 GMT
#1885
On November 03 2011 16:08 dignity wrote:
I think we discussed pretty much all the decks that are currently popular or gaining popularity here already that are worth discussing.

I think its about time we dissected Wolf run ramp. How do we kill plan to kill wolf run ramp. Currently I am finding the idea of redirecting a wolf run activation to your spellskite hilarious.

turn 1 birds/pilgrim, turn 2 crusader, turn 3 crusader, turn 4 overrun yeahhhhh
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Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
November 03 2011 15:10 GMT
#1886
On November 03 2011 16:08 dignity wrote:
I think we discussed pretty much all the decks that are currently popular or gaining popularity here already that are worth discussing.

I think its about time we dissected Wolf run ramp. How do we kill plan to kill wolf run ramp. Currently I am finding the idea of redirecting a wolf run activation to your spellskite hilarious.


red has a pretty good answer if they run traitorous blood/act of aggression and a couple Ghost quarters, seeing as you can fetch it if they run out a titan. Spellskite is another funny ass answer.
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
November 03 2011 17:08 GMT
#1887
I've just been devoting 2 sideboard slots to spellskite. It stops the namesake from working and after that you only really have to deal with a couple of 6/6's one of which doesn't have trample. Wolfrun also gets hurt abit by Leonin Arbiter, especially if you resolve one early. Leonin Arbiter + Ghost Quarters.dec, All we need is Crusible of Worlds.
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dignity
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada908 Posts
November 03 2011 18:44 GMT
#1888
I feel like an idiot for trading off my mirran crusaders now. Granted I traded them for when they were at about the peak of their price but still... So hard to find them now
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
November 03 2011 20:24 GMT
#1889
On November 04 2011 03:44 dignity wrote:
I feel like an idiot for trading off my mirran crusaders now. Granted I traded them for when they were at about the peak of their price but still... So hard to find them now

You can get 2 of them (and pretty much half of a white weenie deck) from the Innistrad event deck Hold the Line.
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
November 03 2011 20:46 GMT
#1890
I actually don't even play Spellskite anymore, as good as it is. I side in 4 Flashfreezes - yeah, I know. Ghost Quarters (which I don't like) and Dismembers for Inkmoth. I think most WRRamp players are playing 1-2 Kessig Wolf Runs at the moment? I've been having some success just milling out Wolf Run when I play U/B Control. Gogo Drownyard.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
dignity
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada908 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-03 21:39:58
November 03 2011 21:32 GMT
#1891
I am currently just resorting to naturalizes to take out the inkmoths. I don't even run dismembers right now just because nobody plays anything but weenie creatures or titan level monsters in my area. Crazily enough I am using Elesh norns as a way to deal with inkmoths.

I just find it so strange how nobody plays WRR at my store. Last FNM I went to had everything but t-steel and Wolf run.
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
November 03 2011 22:01 GMT
#1892
Can I get on a soapbox and bitch about Control in Standard?

Can Wizards please reprint Spell Pierce? Can they please give us a creature that can provide us something like...a cantrip? I'm sick of playing Dissipates when 65% of the time they're just a freaking Cancel. Blech. I'm anxiously awaiting Dark Ascension.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
dignity
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada908 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-03 22:11:20
November 03 2011 22:07 GMT
#1893
I honestly think people need to stop running dissipates and just run non-exile counters, while running surgical extractions to gut people's decks. All of decks, with the exception being pod, run 3 or 4 of's of something. Being able to remove that takes out one facet of their deck.
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
November 03 2011 22:20 GMT
#1894
On November 04 2011 07:07 dignity wrote:
I honestly think people need to stop running dissipates and just run non-exile counters, while running surgical extractions to gut people's decks. All of decks, with the exception being pod, run 3 or 4 of's of something. Being able to remove that takes out one facet of their deck.


What do you recommend? There's just nothing solid at the moment. Negate, Psychic Barrier, Stoic Rebuttal, Dissipate, Lost in the Mist, Frightful Delusion, Corrupted Resolve. These are all too narrow, too expensive or not accessible. It's a bad time to be relying on counter magic. Thank Magic Jesus for Mana Leak.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
dignity
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada908 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-03 22:28:18
November 03 2011 22:27 GMT
#1895
What countermagic you choose is purely dependent on what your deck is like right now. As you said, a lot of the counters right now are narrow. Hell, if you are using dissipates as cancels you mind as well just replace them WITH cancels seeing as they serve the same purpose. Stoic rebuttal works too since it is technically "strictly" better.
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
November 03 2011 22:32 GMT
#1896
I'm not running Surgical Extraction. I think it's bad and I don't think I can be convinced otherwise. I run 4 Mana Leaks, 1 Dissipate and 1 Negate. The board has 2 more Dissipates, 4 Flashfreezes and 1 Negate.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
November 03 2011 23:54 GMT
#1897
spell pierce isn't a control card~

surgical extraction is only "good" if you Snapcaster it to get 2 cards, but that's more a function of Snapcaster being really good than extraction being any good

i think control is fine right now tbh
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Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-04 00:43:32
November 04 2011 00:42 GMT
#1898
The problem right now isn't control. The problem is fucktard herpderp Hexproof and the lack of good manlands.

There are just too many cards for a control player to play around right now and no enough EFFICIENT answers for a control player.

And Dissipates >>>>> Stoic Rebuttal >>> Cancels, unless you like playing against Flashback and Snapcaster, yes it does matter, as dissipates are just better against the field.

Surgicals are godlike versus Snapcaster decks, not as good as Nihil Spellbombs against everything else.
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Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
November 04 2011 00:48 GMT
#1899
im pretty sure if you are an aggro deck you dont fuck around with ghost quarters or spellskites, you just focus on killing them. their main plan isnt even wolf run. its just to stabilize then keep slamming dumb things like giant dungroves and titans. when I played wolf run at states, the majority of decks I just killed with the high density of great threats and ramp i have. kessig and inkmoth just gives inevitability. if you try to target their inevitability and just lose to gigantic titans and garruk you are relaly doing somehting wrong especially if you are aggro and should just be trying to go kill them.
MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
November 04 2011 00:55 GMT
#1900
i can't really think of any deck in the format where the spellskite plan against wolfrun is any good
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