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AltaiR_
Korea (South)922 Posts
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On October 13 2010 03:01 AltaiR_ wrote: affinity's bad, scars didnt help. THE decks in legacy at the moment are survival fauna vengevine and fish. That's what I was thinking, outside of some shenanigans with poison counters, I don't see how any Affinity deck would benefit greatly from Scars. None of the Metalcraft cards looked like it was going to make Affinity competitive. | ||
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GiftPflanZe
Germany623 Posts
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kuresuti
1393 Posts
On October 13 2010 03:05 GiftPflanZe wrote: I would love to start magic,but there are so many cards,and its expensive,so I will never join I guess : O You can try the free Magic softwares out there. Survival with Vengevine is so strong, I wish Stax could get a buff sometime. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 13 2010 03:05 GiftPflanZe wrote: I would love to start magic,but there are so many cards,and its expensive,so I will never join I guess : O It's very easy to get started on a low-budget, especially with free software like Magic Workstation. If you're interested in playing competitively, draft is, IMO, the better way to start, both because it's easier on your wallet, and because it helps you learn solid play in a variety of situations (rather than just learning to autopilot a specific deck). | ||
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Nub4ever
Canada1981 Posts
Then again I could just be bad :O | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 13 2010 08:19 Nub4ever wrote: Just saying though drafting can be kinda tough to get right at the beginning. I've failed pretty hard in terms of drafting and always managed to screw myself over but theres lotsa good stuff to read about on the magicthegathering site ^^. Then again I could just be bad :O This is true, which is why I only really recommend it as a starting point if you're genuinely interested in the competitive aspect of the game. Otherwise, casual formats like pauper, or just not playing with real heed to formats is a better way to start out. For starting drafters, the biggest bit of advice I can actually give is not to overthink things. A lot of people starting out get bogged down in things like sending/reading signals, pick orders, etc., etc. when really 90% of the time those things aren't relevant. Sending signals is only really helpful if someone is reading them, and reading nonexistent signals can actually be detrimental. Oftentimes, the best deck is just the one that feels right for you to draft. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On September 30 2010 05:04 Judicator wrote: Because I was in blue already, and there was nothing else to fill it out with. Plus 40 card decks, 1 scour hits more than 1/8th of the deck, the odds are fairly good for me to catch something like a mid pick creature, a removal spell, or combat tricks, etc. You don't understand how milling works sir. It doesn't matter if you have a shot at getting rid of a key spell because you are just as likely to move it to the top of his deck by clearing away the cards blocking him from it. You should have just run another land if you really didn't have any spells better than a tome scour. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 13 2010 10:02 Judicator wrote: Look at it this way in draft, you can either attempt to screw over the 7 others at the table or you can attempt to do well for yourself. What do you think is easier? That being said I took 3 black infect cards (2 Hands and Ichor Rats) off the table in the third pack this past weekend to keep the only infect player in the group from getting them, so if the pack is pretty weak in your colors, screw someone else over. Even then, that's not even the right choice a lot of the time. For example, if your deck has a good matchup against the infect deck, it's still often the better choice to pass him good cards, because it increases the chance that he'll beat a deck that you might have trouble with, when you can squash him easily later. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3890 Posts
If you each have 7 cards in hand at start, and one of yours is tome scour. And he is playing an aggressive deck, you almost instantly lose  .. unless you have 5 tome scour, 2 island, then I think your ok :D | ||
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AltaiR_
Korea (South)922 Posts
On October 13 2010 10:24 TheYango wrote: Even then, that's not even the right choice a lot of the time. For example, if your deck has a good matchup against the infect deck, it's still often the better choice to pass him good cards, because it increases the chance that he'll beat a deck that you might have trouble with, when you can squash him easily later. if it only were a 2 man draft you screw someone over. however thats not the case, where u WANT the person next to you to be in the color/archetype u've been giving them. if you draft lets say, metalcraft stuff then u all of a sudden take all the decent infect, it will obviously push the guy out of infect and you will have half and half of stuff, leading to your deck and his deck bad, and the other 6 people in your table with far stellar picks. | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
deck doesn't seem very strong but it looked fun and he pulled a turn 3 mindslaver on me X.X btw that new venser PW looks tight. i liked the original venser card in future sight. god i miss my old t2 decks back from Kamigawa~10th Ed. standard | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On October 13 2010 10:24 TheYango wrote: Even then, that's not even the right choice a lot of the time. For example, if your deck has a good matchup against the infect deck, it's still often the better choice to pass him good cards, because it increases the chance that he'll beat a deck that you might have trouble with, when you can squash him easily later. Like I understand what you are saying, but let me bank him squashing someone that I might have trouble with? Rather not. Nothing in those packs were worth taking in my colors anyways. The Hands came back to back, the Rats was late. Only one dude played Infect, but he won the GPT byes :D On October 13 2010 10:35 BraveGhost wrote: a land is infinitely better than tome scour in a ton of cases.. unless your actual goal is to mill them out.. and you have a ton of stall/mill cards... just cause a land is basically amazing in limited, you want to hit those first 4-5 lands depending on your curve... I'm a big fan of 18-22 If you each have 7 cards in hand at start, and one of yours is tome scour. And he is playing an aggressive deck, you almost instantly lose .. unless you have 5 tome scour, 2 island, then I think your ok :D23-17 split for me in an aggro and if he was rushing me down, props to him. Plus you are hoping for a big if. I am not saying Tome Scour x1 is the way to go and realize the incredibly lucky mills I got for it. It just happened to be the card I had for a deck with 2 1 drops. | ||
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me_viet
Australia1350 Posts
Last time I tried it, got about 8 Tome scours and about 3 Walls of Frost and some other random stall lol (helped because I told every1 at the draft and they all passed on Tome scour =D ). But alas, my first opponent made a flying deck. Still close though, only needed to hit another Tome scour for the win =[ This was back in m10, my last draft lol | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 13 2010 10:47 AltaiR_ wrote: if it only were a 2 man draft you screw someone over. however thats not the case, where u WANT the person next to you to be in the color/archetype u've been giving them. if you draft lets say, metalcraft stuff then u all of a sudden take all the decent infect, it will obviously push the guy out of infect and you will have half and half of stuff, leading to your deck and his deck bad, and the other 6 people in your table with far stellar picks. You do realize that we're saying the same thing, right? That hate drafting is often the wrong choice even when there's nothing in the pack for you. On October 13 2010 10:59 Judicator wrote: Like I understand what you are saying, but let me bank him squashing someone that I might have trouble with? Rather not. Nothing in those packs were worth taking in my colors anyways. The Hands came back to back, the Rats was late. Only one dude played Infect, but he won the GPT byes :D I mean, ultimately, it depends on the archetypes and the way everything plays out. The example I used when M11 was that if you're white aggro and you only have a few fliers, it's a good idea to not hate Plummet, because Plummet is good against lots of other decks, but awful against you. You help the other guy beat decks with fliers, and if he has it maindeck when he gets around to playing you, your lack of fliers basically blanks it. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On October 13 2010 11:25 TheYango wrote: You do realize that we're saying the same thing, right? That hate drafting is often the wrong choice even when there's nothing in the pack for you. I mean, ultimately, it depends on the archetypes and the way everything plays out. The example I used when M11 was that if you're white aggro and you only have a few fliers, it's a good idea to not hate Plummet, because Plummet is good against lots of other decks, but awful against you. You help the other guy beat decks with fliers, and if he has it maindeck when he gets around to playing you, your lack of fliers basically blanks it. Yeah I know what you are saying, but that's a lot of ifs I can't control. I am not saying you're wrong, but that wasn't the situation you are describing. I wouldn't have done that in the earlier packs, but it was pack 3 and my deck was already pretty much set. | ||
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MCMcEmcee
United States1609 Posts
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exalted
United States3612 Posts
http://cgi.ebay.com/T-CHINESE-Loyal-Retainers-ALTERED-Painted-MTG-P3K-/250707544576?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a5f558a00 just need a japanese foil iona to match it I guess. probably looking for some decklist with: tarmogoyf vengevine survival fauna shaman necrotic ooze retainers + iona + other possible targets not sure if i should include black or just run the standard g/w version. i used to love the g/w combination so much as a kid (anurid brushhopper was my first pack rare and i loved him to death) but we'll see. can we add black and stick in thoughtseize/dark confidant too? also snagged a foil vengevine at 41 | ||
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Nub4ever
Canada1981 Posts
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