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Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-09 16:35:10
October 09 2011 16:23 GMT
#1561
Everyone at my fuckin FNM has pretty much copy pasted the solar flare to the best of their ability. Kind of annoying... only a few other people run something different (a shitty mono white human deck, a weird RDW, and some other random Tempered Steel decks)

Edit: And after this weekend... T-T
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
October 09 2011 16:47 GMT
#1562
On October 10 2011 01:23 Risen wrote:
Everyone at my fuckin FNM has pretty much copy pasted the solar flare to the best of their ability. Kind of annoying... only a few other people run something different (a shitty mono white human deck, a weird RDW, and some other random Tempered Steel decks)

Edit: And after this weekend... T-T

The guy who won our FNM (I think it was the week before last) is running a Tempered Steel deck with 4 Mutagenic Growths and 3 Gitaxian Probes.

It doesn't matter, he just goddraws 75% of the time.

The token deck looks really fun though
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 09 2011 17:18 GMT
#1563
On October 10 2011 01:47 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 01:23 Risen wrote:
Everyone at my fuckin FNM has pretty much copy pasted the solar flare to the best of their ability. Kind of annoying... only a few other people run something different (a shitty mono white human deck, a weird RDW, and some other random Tempered Steel decks)

Edit: And after this weekend... T-T

The guy who won our FNM (I think it was the week before last) is running a Tempered Steel deck with 4 Mutagenic Growths and 3 Gitaxian Probes.

It doesn't matter, he just goddraws 75% of the time.

The token deck looks really fun though


I was trying to run a parallel lives token deck Friday and it was just horrible. God draws are nice, but dealing with my threats is absurdly easy for solar flare and can't out aggro RDW. It was a fun concept but in practice it just doesn't work without the god draw imo probably going to move back to U/W or RUG if I can (I feel like enemy lands makes this a lot easier to run than in the past)

The wolf run deck impressed me this weekend, but I can't help but feel like it will have some weakness found by a better player than I. I think solar flare is definitely versatile enough to handle it post sideboard now that the tech has been seen.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
October 09 2011 19:16 GMT
#1564
I really like that Blade deck that ran 4 Blade Splicers and no Geists or Stalkers. Stalker is just no good and Geist is just good, but definitely no sort of Caw replacement. I know, I know, Ratchet Bomb and Sever The Bloodline say hi.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
dignity
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada908 Posts
October 09 2011 19:47 GMT
#1565
I think we should collectively try and make a TL rogue deck for standard. Would be fun if we actually manage to make a deck that turns out to be insanely powerful. Mostly, I just get annoyed at people that copy top decks without thinking (Cawblade, solar flare).

Some things that might make this deck building challenge harder might be limiting ourselves to a budget on this deck. Anyone else up for it?
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 09 2011 20:09 GMT
#1566
Too many bads here on TL. I wouldn't trust myself to make a top deck, it's been years since I played comp magic. I can tell you if a deck you make is bad, and whether you should replace anything, but otherwise deck building requires extensive knowledge of the format that I don't have the time to put in atm
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
October 09 2011 20:38 GMT
#1567
To environment needs to be stable before you can make a rogue deck
Get it by your hands...
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
October 09 2011 20:46 GMT
#1568
On October 10 2011 02:18 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 01:47 deth2munkies wrote:
On October 10 2011 01:23 Risen wrote:
Everyone at my fuckin FNM has pretty much copy pasted the solar flare to the best of their ability. Kind of annoying... only a few other people run something different (a shitty mono white human deck, a weird RDW, and some other random Tempered Steel decks)

Edit: And after this weekend... T-T

The guy who won our FNM (I think it was the week before last) is running a Tempered Steel deck with 4 Mutagenic Growths and 3 Gitaxian Probes.

It doesn't matter, he just goddraws 75% of the time.

The token deck looks really fun though


I was trying to run a parallel lives token deck Friday and it was just horrible. God draws are nice, but dealing with my threats is absurdly easy for solar flare and can't out aggro RDW. It was a fun concept but in practice it just doesn't work without the god draw imo probably going to move back to U/W or RUG if I can (I feel like enemy lands makes this a lot easier to run than in the past)

The wolf run deck impressed me this weekend, but I can't help but feel like it will have some weakness found by a better player than I. I think solar flare is definitely versatile enough to handle it post sideboard now that the tech has been seen.

Cixah was running a mono-white token deck without parallel lives. Just 4 Honor of the Pure's and 4 Intangible Virtue's with Midnight Haunting, Doomed Traveller, and other stuff I didn't see. Nothing over CMC 3.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 09 2011 20:53 GMT
#1569
On October 10 2011 05:46 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 02:18 Risen wrote:
On October 10 2011 01:47 deth2munkies wrote:
On October 10 2011 01:23 Risen wrote:
Everyone at my fuckin FNM has pretty much copy pasted the solar flare to the best of their ability. Kind of annoying... only a few other people run something different (a shitty mono white human deck, a weird RDW, and some other random Tempered Steel decks)

Edit: And after this weekend... T-T

The guy who won our FNM (I think it was the week before last) is running a Tempered Steel deck with 4 Mutagenic Growths and 3 Gitaxian Probes.

It doesn't matter, he just goddraws 75% of the time.

The token deck looks really fun though


I was trying to run a parallel lives token deck Friday and it was just horrible. God draws are nice, but dealing with my threats is absurdly easy for solar flare and can't out aggro RDW. It was a fun concept but in practice it just doesn't work without the god draw imo probably going to move back to U/W or RUG if I can (I feel like enemy lands makes this a lot easier to run than in the past)

The wolf run deck impressed me this weekend, but I can't help but feel like it will have some weakness found by a better player than I. I think solar flare is definitely versatile enough to handle it post sideboard now that the tech has been seen.

Cixah was running a mono-white token deck without parallel lives. Just 4 Honor of the Pure's and 4 Intangible Virtue's with Midnight Haunting, Doomed Traveller, and other stuff I didn't see. Nothing over CMC 3.


That's what I was originally running w/ bladeholds and 2 mikaeus but it just didn't have the answers and I felt like it was easy to sideboard against. Idk... I'm probably wrong.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
October 09 2011 21:02 GMT
#1570
On October 10 2011 05:53 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 05:46 deth2munkies wrote:
On October 10 2011 02:18 Risen wrote:
On October 10 2011 01:47 deth2munkies wrote:
On October 10 2011 01:23 Risen wrote:
Everyone at my fuckin FNM has pretty much copy pasted the solar flare to the best of their ability. Kind of annoying... only a few other people run something different (a shitty mono white human deck, a weird RDW, and some other random Tempered Steel decks)

Edit: And after this weekend... T-T

The guy who won our FNM (I think it was the week before last) is running a Tempered Steel deck with 4 Mutagenic Growths and 3 Gitaxian Probes.

It doesn't matter, he just goddraws 75% of the time.

The token deck looks really fun though


I was trying to run a parallel lives token deck Friday and it was just horrible. God draws are nice, but dealing with my threats is absurdly easy for solar flare and can't out aggro RDW. It was a fun concept but in practice it just doesn't work without the god draw imo probably going to move back to U/W or RUG if I can (I feel like enemy lands makes this a lot easier to run than in the past)

The wolf run deck impressed me this weekend, but I can't help but feel like it will have some weakness found by a better player than I. I think solar flare is definitely versatile enough to handle it post sideboard now that the tech has been seen.

Cixah was running a mono-white token deck without parallel lives. Just 4 Honor of the Pure's and 4 Intangible Virtue's with Midnight Haunting, Doomed Traveller, and other stuff I didn't see. Nothing over CMC 3.


That's what I was originally running w/ bladeholds and 2 mikaeus but it just didn't have the answers and I felt like it was easy to sideboard against. Idk... I'm probably wrong.


Depends. It's easy to sideboard but also whether people want to dedicate those sideboard slots to it.
Get it by your hands...
dignity
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada908 Posts
October 09 2011 21:15 GMT
#1571
The current environment seems stable enough to attempt to make rogue decks. All I am seeing are solar flare decks, hexblade decks, pod decks, and RDW

On a side note, every one of my friends that play magic competitively built pod decks...
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
October 09 2011 21:15 GMT
#1572
On October 10 2011 06:15 dignity wrote:
The current environment seems stable enough to attempt to make rogue decks. All I am seeing are solar flare decks, hexblade decks, pod decks, and RDW

On a side note, every one of my friends that play magic competitively built pod decks...


Then theres RUG and Kessig decks.
Get it by your hands...
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
October 09 2011 21:35 GMT
#1573
If you want to go rogue, try and make Heartless Summoning work imo. It seems to be the most untapped rogue card right now.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
dignity
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada908 Posts
October 09 2011 21:50 GMT
#1574
Its funny because I actually have my playset of those already. Although I was planning more on liquimetal coating land destruction in RUG.

How exactly are Illusion decks doing lately? Did it only do that well because of the fact that nobody expected it?
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
October 09 2011 22:43 GMT
#1575
On October 10 2011 06:50 dignity wrote:
Its funny because I actually have my playset of those already. Although I was planning more on liquimetal coating land destruction in RUG.

How exactly are Illusion decks doing lately? Did it only do that well because of the fact that nobody expected it?


It's hard to say until after states, and even then, it's such a fringe deck that a low # of T8s might not mean anything.

I think LD is probably quite bad in this format, mostly because there are so many maindeck efficient answers that are cheaper than the threats you'd be presenting. In most formats where LD works, the answers are expensive. A pure LD deck would probably need to pray to draw Thrun to win, but you could try for a rogueish LD pod list like the Conley special with 4 Acidic Slimes. I have a feeling it's a lot worse than GBR pod, but I could be wrong.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
dignity
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada908 Posts
October 09 2011 23:46 GMT
#1576
Actually my idea was to go turn their lands to artifacts and then destroy them one by one with ancient grudges naturalizes, etc etc. Manic vandels and oxiddas make for good 2 for 1s. spellskites to protect your liquimetal coatings, run blue for draw spells which would be mandatory in such a deck. Colors being RUG as already mentioned. I was thinking of birds for early ramp and mana fixing.

I still haven't came up with how exactly to win except for maybe titans. So far its just been getting so far ahead of your opponent that they just can't do anything. I have no idea if this is viable since I didn't even put together a deck list yet, let alone playtest.
MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-10 00:19:59
October 10 2011 00:18 GMT
#1577
On October 10 2011 05:53 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 05:46 deth2munkies wrote:
On October 10 2011 02:18 Risen wrote:
On October 10 2011 01:47 deth2munkies wrote:
On October 10 2011 01:23 Risen wrote:
Everyone at my fuckin FNM has pretty much copy pasted the solar flare to the best of their ability. Kind of annoying... only a few other people run something different (a shitty mono white human deck, a weird RDW, and some other random Tempered Steel decks)

Edit: And after this weekend... T-T

The guy who won our FNM (I think it was the week before last) is running a Tempered Steel deck with 4 Mutagenic Growths and 3 Gitaxian Probes.

It doesn't matter, he just goddraws 75% of the time.

The token deck looks really fun though


I was trying to run a parallel lives token deck Friday and it was just horrible. God draws are nice, but dealing with my threats is absurdly easy for solar flare and can't out aggro RDW. It was a fun concept but in practice it just doesn't work without the god draw imo probably going to move back to U/W or RUG if I can (I feel like enemy lands makes this a lot easier to run than in the past)

The wolf run deck impressed me this weekend, but I can't help but feel like it will have some weakness found by a better player than I. I think solar flare is definitely versatile enough to handle it post sideboard now that the tech has been seen.

Cixah was running a mono-white token deck without parallel lives. Just 4 Honor of the Pure's and 4 Intangible Virtue's with Midnight Haunting, Doomed Traveller, and other stuff I didn't see. Nothing over CMC 3.


That's what I was originally running w/ bladeholds and 2 mikaeus but it just didn't have the answers and I felt like it was easy to sideboard against. Idk... I'm probably wrong.


just start with GW Token Town as your base. Gavony Township + anthem effects + Shrine. Adjust to your local meta/your own budget (choice of finishers and such)

dignity -
i've been working on a RG liquimetal coating deck for a while now lol. Bad casual deck is casually bad but it's fun.
[iHs]MCMcEmcee@UFO | のヮの
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 10 2011 00:19 GMT
#1578
On October 10 2011 08:46 dignity wrote:
Actually my idea was to go turn their lands to artifacts and then destroy them one by one with ancient grudges naturalizes, etc etc. Manic vandels and oxiddas make for good 2 for 1s. spellskites to protect your liquimetal coatings, run blue for draw spells which would be mandatory in such a deck. Colors being RUG as already mentioned. I was thinking of birds for early ramp and mana fixing.

I still haven't came up with how exactly to win except for maybe titans. So far its just been getting so far ahead of your opponent that they just can't do anything. I have no idea if this is viable since I didn't even put together a deck list yet, let alone playtest.


Faced a deck like this on modo. Was the most annoying shit ever, kept me at 1-2 land the entire match. Thankfully, siding in crush absolutely destroyed it.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
October 10 2011 00:54 GMT
#1579
I'm not sure how to get Heartless Summoning to be worth it. Clearly, or at least I think "clearly, you want summon creatures with strong ETB effects. The initial problem is, many ETB creatures require two colored mana: Acidic Slime, Glimmerpoint Stag, Entomber Exarch, Viridian Corrupter, Fiend Hunter, yes even the -4/-4 Banshee and +5 Life Scavenger. Now, this isn't back-breaking but it can be painful. Frankly, it lacks grace.

I think there maybe something to Shimmer Myr? 1 Mana for 1/1 Flash + your other artifacts get flash? Dunno, don't want to brew with that card. But Falkenrath Noble+Heartless Summoning+Myr Sire? Maybe get Glissa going? Hilarity!
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
October 10 2011 01:00 GMT
#1580
Play a bunch of creatures, run something keep your hand stocked and just outstrip their options (not necessarily in card). Turn 3 Acidic Slime is nothing to scoff at and the vast majority of players forgot how to play against turn 3 land destruction. The deck doesn't offer much in terms of threats though.
Get it by your hands...
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